Windows "camera" application

Hi,

I am using the Windows "camera" application to make videos on my laptop.

For some reason the resolution comes out parse.

Any solution to this? Or is it just the camera's resolution?

It didn't do this when I used the camera application that came with the
laptop so I don't think it is the camera.

I lost the native camera application when I installed Windows over it.


--
Minister Dale Kelly, Ph.D.
https://www.dalekelly.org/
Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner
Board Certified Alternative Medical Practitioner

On May 8, 2020, dale wrote
(in article ):

Hi,

I am using the Windows "camera" application to make videos on my laptop.

For Windows issues other folks here might be able to help, as I don’t do Windows.

For some reason the resolution comes out parse.

Any solution to this? Or is it just the camera's resolution?

It didn't do this when I used the camera application that came with the
laptop so I don't think it is the camera.

I lost the native camera application when I installed Windows over it.

I think I see your problem. ;-)

What make is the camera?

Usually camera manufacturer native software is available via download from their web site support/downloads page. Check your camera user manual, probably also available online if you can’t find it.

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Regards,
Savageduck

On 5/8/2020 10:27 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On May 8, 2020, dale wrote
(in article ):

Hi,

I am using the Windows "camera" application to make videos on my laptop.

For Windows issues other folks here might be able to help, as I don’t do Windows.

For some reason the resolution comes out parse.

Any solution to this? Or is it just the camera's resolution?

It didn't do this when I used the camera application that came with the
laptop so I don't think it is the camera.

I lost the native camera application when I installed Windows over it.

I think I see your problem. ;-)

What make is the camera?

The camera is part of the laptop. The laptop is a Hewlett Packard.



Usually camera manufacturer native software is available via download from their web site support/downloads page. Check your camera user manual, probably also available online if you can’t find it.


Already went to the site. Installed the drivers. This made the camera
and the Windows camera app work.

But the native Hewlett Packard camera app didn't apply to my version of
Windows. Lost that app when I installed Windows 10 over what came with
the laptop.

Thanks anyway !

--
Minister Dale Kelly, Ph.D.
https://www.dalekelly.org/
Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner
Board Certified Alternative Medical Practitioner

dale wrote:
Hi,

I am using the Windows "camera" application to make videos on my laptop.

For some reason the resolution comes out parse.

Any solution to this? Or is it just the camera's resolution?

It didn't do this when I used the camera application that came with the
laptop so I don't think it is the camera.

I lost the native camera application when I installed Windows over it.

I can give an example here, as a Windows 10 user.

With no proprietary software installed, webcams with UVC
can be operated by the built-in UVC class USB driver code.

The Camera App doesn't do a good job of exposing all
camera options.

For example, on my particular camera, it only does 960x480
or so. The camera does 1600x1200 or so at 5FPS, given its
own choice. The UVC does not go that high. The "tables"
in the USB config space, say *exactly* what the camera
can do, but... the Camera App won't use them.

The Camera App can also give a different table of
resolution choices, after *each* reboot! Pure crapola,
from a computer-as-a-machine point of view. It should
not be doing this.

If I load the Logitech driver, the camera will "tip over",
and I won't get any video at all. (Now, I have to put
several quarters in my swear jar!) And this happened
after the Windows 10 release that added FrameServe.

At one time, there was a registry option to turn off
FrameServe, but I'm sure the hell that the Microsoft
developer created, the dude has patted himself on the
back for a job well done, and removed that preference.

As you can tell, this is not one of my favorite topics,
as it raises my blood pressure. If you knew the whole
back story, that's part of it (how an external developer
told the developer at Microsoft this was a bad idea,
and the guy at Microsoft did it anyway, even though
he received advice from an expert). And the users are
the ones that put up with the bad choices.

When I needed to do a teleconference a couple weeks
ago, guess which OS I used ? Windows 7. It's not
worth the aggravation to boot into 10 and put up
with this. I needed the proprietary PTZ control panel
for my teleconference call, so I could precisely
center myself in the frame when I made the call.
So I wouldn't look like a twit :-) With the Logitech
PTZ interface, I could zoom and center myself for
a talking-head session with my doctor.

*******

Just for the record, Dale, there's an issue with this
anyway. Webcams tend to work like this.

1600x1200 @ 5FPS
640x480 @ 30FPS

To make decent looking video, with smooth non-jerky
head movements, you want 30FPS. The USB2 webcam
won't give you 30FPS when the max-resolution is selected.

Even with an infinite amount of illumination, the
1600x1200 choice will remain at 5FPS. If the light level
drops, the camera may choose to run at 5FPS to
compensate for the lack of illumination. You cannot
correct the 5FPS value by using brighter lightbulbs
for your room.

On the back of the webcam box, it will say:

1600x1200 resolution
30FPS frame rate

but they are not honest about the fact that *both*
of those values cannot be achieved at the same time.
You can achieve one, but not the other, at the same
time.

With a more capable interface technology, you might
get a different table of values. If the laptop had
a USB3 interface, you could try using a USB3 Brio
camera from Logitech. And those would be all sold
out, about now. Now that some shipping is going on,
maybe we'll see some of these come back in stock.
The Brio would be the easiest-to-find USB3 webcam.
I've not seen a review of its usage under Windows 10!
I would need more info, before purchase!

Digital cameras can have video options. My $150 camera
shoots video. Shoots it at full frame rate. Has a higher
resolution than my $100 webcam. The only problem with it,
is the microphone isn't very good, and there's no room
for a separate microphone to be connected to the camera.
If the camera turns up the audio AGC, it picks up
digital noise interference on audio. A shame really.
As otherwise, for $150, it does a fantastic job.
That camera makes the webcam companies look like idiots.

Paul

On 5/8/2020 3:12 PM, Paul wrote:
dale wrote:
Hi,

I am using the Windows "camera" application to make videos on my laptop.

For some reason the resolution comes out parse.

Any solution to this? Or is it just the camera's resolution?

It didn't do this when I used the camera application that came with
the laptop so I don't think it is the camera.

I lost the native camera application when I installed Windows over it.

I can give an example here, as a Windows 10 user.

With no proprietary software installed, webcams with UVC
can be operated by the built-in UVC class USB driver code.

The Camera App doesn't do a good job of exposing all
camera options.

For example, on my particular camera, it only does 960x480
or so. The camera does 1600x1200 or so at 5FPS, given its
own choice. The UVC does not go that high. The "tables"
in the USB config space, say *exactly* what the camera
can do, but... the Camera App won't use them.

The Camera App can also give a different table of
resolution choices, after *each* reboot! Pure crapola,
from a computer-as-a-machine point of view. It should
not be doing this.

If I load the Logitech driver, the camera will "tip over",
and I won't get any video at all. (Now, I have to put
several quarters in my swear jar!) And this happened
after the Windows 10 release that added FrameServe.

At one time, there was a registry option to turn off
FrameServe, but I'm sure the hell that the Microsoft
developer created, the dude has patted himself on the
back for a job well done, and removed that preference.

As you can tell, this is not one of my favorite topics,
as it raises my blood pressure. If you knew the whole
back story, that's part of it (how an external developer
told the developer at Microsoft this was a bad idea,
and the guy at Microsoft did it anyway, even though
he received advice from an expert). And the users are
the ones that put up with the bad choices.

When I needed to do a teleconference a couple weeks
ago, guess which OS I used ? Windows 7. It's not
worth the aggravation to boot into 10 and put up
with this. I needed the proprietary PTZ control panel
for my teleconference call, so I could precisely
center myself in the frame when I made the call.
So I wouldn't look like a twit :-) With the Logitech
PTZ interface, I could zoom and center myself for
a talking-head session with my doctor.

*******

Just for the record, Dale, there's an issue with this
anyway. Webcams tend to work like this.

1600x1200 @Â* 5FPS
Â*640x480Â* @ 30FPS

To make decent looking video, with smooth non-jerky
head movements, you want 30FPS. The USB2 webcam
won't give you 30FPS when the max-resolution is selected.

Even with an infinite amount of illumination, the
1600x1200 choice will remain at 5FPS. If the light level
drops, the camera may choose to run at 5FPS to
compensate for the lack of illumination. You cannot
correct the 5FPS value by using brighter lightbulbs
for your room.

On the back of the webcam box, it will say:

Â*Â* 1600x1200 resolution
Â*Â* 30FPS frame rate

but they are not honest about the fact that *both*
of those values cannot be achieved at the same time.
You can achieve one, but not the other, at the same
time.

With a more capable interface technology, you might
get a different table of values. If the laptop had
a USB3 interface, you could try using a USB3 Brio
camera from Logitech. And those would be all sold
out, about now. Now that some shipping is going on,
maybe we'll see some of these come back in stock.
The Brio would be the easiest-to-find USB3 webcam.
I've not seen a review of its usage under Windows 10!
I would need more info, before purchase!

Digital cameras can have video options. My $150 camera
shoots video. Shoots it at full frame rate. Has a higher
resolution than my $100 webcam. The only problem with it,
is the microphone isn't very good, and there's no room
for a separate microphone to be connected to the camera.
If the camera turns up the audio AGC, it picks up
digital noise interference on audio. A shame really.
As otherwise, for $150, it does a fantastic job.
That camera makes the webcam companies look like idiots.

Â*Â* Paul


Thanks Paul. I might look into an external one.

--
Minister Dale Kelly, Ph.D.
https://www.dalekelly.org/
Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner
Board Certified Alternative Medical Practitioner

On 08/05/2020 15:01, dale wrote:
Hi,

I am using the Windows "camera" application to make videos on my laptop.


You need to be specific here.Â* are you creating videos from a camera or
are you creating videos from your screen?Â* People make videos from the
screen when they are creating tutorials of something where a camera -
external or otherwise is not necessary.Â* For tutorials, you only need an
app that can record the screen live and the software such as Camtasia
does that but there are many free apps as well.Â* I use Camtasia or
Corel's Screen Cam that can record the screen.

Cameras are only necessary if you want people to see your face; Some
people likes to show their full face because they think they are very
handsome.Â* to me what matters is the ability to speak and explain
clearly bearing in mind that there are people all over the world who may
or may not speak English well.Â* I am talking about the English speaking
people but this applies to anybody with whatever language they speak and
write.



For some reason the resolution comes out parse.


Have you tried to search for the Windows 10 drivers for your system?Â* HP
is the first place to go but sometimes some 3rd party people might also
sell you updated drivers though this is the last thing anybody should be
thinking of.Â* I won't buy drivers; NEVER!!!



--
With over 1.2 billion devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

On 5/8/2020 4:01 PM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
On 08/05/2020 15:01, dale wrote:
Hi,

I am using the Windows "camera" application to make videos on my laptop.


You need to be specific here.Â* are you creating videos from a camera or
are you creating videos from your screen?Â* People make videos from the
screen when they are creating tutorials of something where a camera -
external or otherwise is not necessary.Â* For tutorials, you only need an
app that can record the screen live and the software such as Camtasia
does that but there are many free apps as well.Â* I use Camtasia or
Corel's Screen Cam that can record the screen.

I am creating videos from the laptop's built-in camera/mic


Cameras are only necessary if you want people to see your face; Some
people likes to show their full face because they think they are very
handsome.Â* to me what matters is the ability to speak and explain
clearly bearing in mind that there are people all over the world who may
or may not speak English well.Â* I am talking about the English speaking
people but this applies to anybody with whatever language they speak and
write.


I'm doing face videos



For some reason the resolution comes out parse.


Have you tried to search for the Windows 10 drivers for your system?Â* HP
is the first place to go but sometimes some 3rd party people might also
sell you updated drivers though this is the last thing anybody should be
thinking of.Â* I won't buy drivers; NEVER!!!


When I got the laptop it had drivers and capture software. That capture
app worked fine. After a series of Windows' updates it led to a overall
crawl of everything and I decided on a fresh install of Windows. Lost
the native capture app.

Windows, at that point had no camera app. Went to the Hewlett Packard
site, found the drivers for the camera and mic, and installed. Windows
then, somehow, had a "camera" app.

Hewlett Packard did have capture software but not for my version of
Windows. As far as I found ... tried several times ...


--
Minister Dale Kelly, Ph.D.
https://www.dalekelly.org/
Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner
Board Certified Alternative Medical Practitioner

On 5/8/2020 4:01 PM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
to me what matters is the ability to speak and explain clearly bearing
in mind that there are people all over the world who may or may not
speak English well.Â* I am talking about the English speaking people but
this applies to anybody with whatever language they speak and write.

would be nice to have a "voice translator" in the codec? or something
like that

--
Minister Dale Kelly, Ph.D.
https://www.dalekelly.org/
Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner
Board Certified Alternative Medical Practitioner

On 08/05/2020 22:34, dale wrote:
On 5/8/2020 4:01 PM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
On 08/05/2020 15:01, dale wrote:
Hi,

I am using the Windows "camera" application to make videos on my
laptop.


You need to be specific here.Â* are you creating videos from a camera
or are you creating videos from your screen?Â* People make videos from
the screen when they are creating tutorials of something where a
camera - external or otherwise is not necessary.Â* For tutorials, you
only need an app that can record the screen live and the software
such as Camtasia does that but there are many free apps as well.Â* I
use Camtasia or Corel's Screen Cam that can record the screen.

I am creating videos from the laptop's built-in camera/mic


Cameras are only necessary if you want people to see your face; Some
people likes to show their full face because they think they are very
handsome.Â* to me what matters is the ability to speak and explain
clearly bearing in mind that there are people all over the world who
may or may not speak English well.Â* I am talking about the English
speaking people but this applies to anybody with whatever language
they speak and write.


I'm doing face videos



For some reason the resolution comes out parse.


Have you tried to search for the Windows 10 drivers for your system?Â*
HP is the first place to go but sometimes some 3rd party people might
also sell you updated drivers though this is the last thing anybody
should be thinking of.Â* I won't buy drivers; NEVER!!!


When I got the laptop it had drivers and capture software. That
capture app worked fine. After a series of Windows' updates it led to
a overall crawl of everything and I decided on a fresh install of
Windows. Lost the native capture app.

Windows, at that point had no camera app. Went to the Hewlett Packard
site, found the drivers for the camera and mic, and installed. Windows
then, somehow, had a "camera" app.

Hewlett Packard did have capture software but not for my version of
Windows. As far as I found ... tried several times ...



When you create your videos, did you try watching them on another
machine that has all the drivers?Â* I am wondering to begin that your
machine might be missing both the display driver as well as driver for
your in-built camera.Â* Are you able to watch YouTube videos (any of them
created by somebody) on your machine without any distortions?


--
With over 1.2 billion devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

On 5/9/2020 10:05 PM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
On 08/05/2020 22:34, dale wrote:
On 5/8/2020 4:01 PM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
On 08/05/2020 15:01, dale wrote:
Hi,

I am using the Windows "camera" application to make videos on my
laptop.


You need to be specific here.Â* are you creating videos from a camera
or are you creating videos from your screen?Â* People make videos from
the screen when they are creating tutorials of something where a
camera - external or otherwise is not necessary.Â* For tutorials, you
only need an app that can record the screen live and the software
such as Camtasia does that but there are many free apps as well.Â* I
use Camtasia or Corel's Screen Cam that can record the screen.

I am creating videos from the laptop's built-in camera/mic


Cameras are only necessary if you want people to see your face; Some
people likes to show their full face because they think they are very
handsome.Â* to me what matters is the ability to speak and explain
clearly bearing in mind that there are people all over the world who
may or may not speak English well.Â* I am talking about the English
speaking people but this applies to anybody with whatever language
they speak and write.


I'm doing face videos



For some reason the resolution comes out parse.


Have you tried to search for the Windows 10 drivers for your system?
HP is the first place to go but sometimes some 3rd party people might
also sell you updated drivers though this is the last thing anybody
should be thinking of.Â* I won't buy drivers; NEVER!!!


When I got the laptop it had drivers and capture software. That
capture app worked fine. After a series of Windows' updates it led to
a overall crawl of everything and I decided on a fresh install of
Windows. Lost the native capture app.

Windows, at that point had no camera app. Went to the Hewlett Packard
site, found the drivers for the camera and mic, and installed. Windows
then, somehow, had a "camera" app.

Hewlett Packard did have capture software but not for my version of
Windows. As far as I found ... tried several times ...



When you create your videos, did you try watching them on another
machine that has all the drivers?Â* I am wondering to begin that your
machine might be missing both the display driver as well as driver for
your in-built camera.Â* Are you able to watch YouTube videos (any of them
created by somebody) on your machine without any distortions?



the videos look the same on my other computer without capture devices

--
Minister Dale Kelly, Ph.D.
https://www.dalekelly.org/
Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner
Board Certified Alternative Medical Practitioner