Kentmere Kentona.

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"Keith Tapscott." wrote in message
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Thanks for the heads up. I was not aware that Harman acquired Kentmere.
Too bad about that Art line of papers - that was the paper recommended for
bromoil. And Harman also owns Ilford. hmmm...I see some kind of
consolidation in papers down the road.

Lawrence Akutagawa wrote:

Thanks for the heads up. I was not aware that Harman acquired Kentmere.
Too bad about that Art line of papers - that was the paper recommended for
bromoil. And Harman also owns Ilford. hmmm...I see some kind of
consolidation in papers down the road.

It depends upon how you look at it. Harman was, according to the marketing
propaganda, the original name of Ilford. Or Ilford was the place, Harman
was the person.

Ilford decided to get out of the black and white and chemical photography
business by "spinning off" as Harman. Financially it makes a lot of sense,
Ilford can go on with it's other product lines and digital photographic
products, Harman becomes a botique producer of film.

In order to succeed Harman will have to charge more for its products and
market them differently. As a separate company they can do that.

Harmans purchase of Kentmere is IMHO a good thing. Yes the product lines
will contract, but there will be more variety with one company than with
two with a large overlap.

Geoff.

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Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM

"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message
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Lawrence Akutagawa wrote:

Thanks for the heads up. I was not aware that Harman
acquired Kentmere.
Too bad about that Art line of papers - that was the
paper recommended for
bromoil. And Harman also owns Ilford. hmmm...I see some
kind of
consolidation in papers down the road.

It depends upon how you look at it. Harman was, according
to the marketing
propaganda, the original name of Ilford. Or Ilford was the
place, Harman
was the person.

Ilford decided to get out of the black and white and
chemical photography
business by "spinning off" as Harman. Financially it makes
a lot of sense,
Ilford can go on with it's other product lines and digital
photographic
products, Harman becomes a botique producer of film.

In order to succeed Harman will have to charge more for
its products and
market them differently. As a separate company they can do
that.

Harmans purchase of Kentmere is IMHO a good thing. Yes the
product lines
will contract, but there will be more variety with one
company than with
two with a large overlap.

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel
N3OWJ/4X1GM

My impression is that Harmon is an investment company.
In any case part of the merger with Kentmere is the loss of
the last brand of printing out paper on the market.
Kentmere's POP was marketed in the USA as Centenial POP.
According to Ilford they can't make the stuff after moving
the Kentmere line to Ilford. Kentmere sold paper under its
own name but also made a lot of stuff on a custom basis for
places like Freestyle. AFAIK Kentmere has either never made
film or hasn't made it for a very long time.
BTW, Ilford is a fairly large city in England and the
company is named after it. I don't think Ilford photo
products was ever called Harmon.


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Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA

Richard Knoppow wrote:
BTW, Ilford is a fairly large city in England and the
company is named after it. I don't think Ilford photo
products was ever called Harmon.

From: http://www.ilfordphoto.com/home.asp

"ILFORD PHOTO has experienced a tumultuous history since its origins in
1879, with ownership of the company changing hands several times. The
latest development was the acquisition in February 2005 of its
black-and-white photographic business, premises and ILFORD PHOTO name
from the receivers of the old ILFORD Imaging group by HARMAN technology
Limited, a company created by former managers of the company and named
after the founder of the ILFORD business, Alfred Harman."


According to: http://www.ilford.org.uk/history.php

Ilford (the place) is part of London since 1965.

Geoff.
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Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM

"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message
...
Richard Knoppow wrote:
BTW, Ilford is a fairly large city in England and
the
company is named after it. I don't think Ilford photo
products was ever called Harmon.

From: http://www.ilfordphoto.com/home.asp

"ILFORD PHOTO has experienced a tumultuous history since
its origins in
1879, with ownership of the company changing hands several
times. The
latest development was the acquisition in February 2005 of
its
black-and-white photographic business, premises and ILFORD
PHOTO name
from the receivers of the old ILFORD Imaging group by
HARMAN technology
Limited, a company created by former managers of the
company and named
after the founder of the ILFORD business, Alfred Harman."


According to: http://www.ilford.org.uk/history.php

Ilford (the place) is part of London since 1965.

Geoff.
--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel
N3OWJ/4X1GM

I may have mis-read your original post. Did Harman call
his company Harman or Ilford at first?


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Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA

Originally Posted by Richard Knoppow

My impression is that Harmon is an investment company.

In any case part of the merger with Kentmere is the loss of
the last brand of printing out paper on the market.
Kentmere's POP was marketed in the USA as Centenial POP.
According to Ilford they can't make the stuff after moving
the Kentmere line to Ilford. Kentmere sold paper under its
own name but also made a lot of stuff on a custom basis for
places like Freestyle. AFAIK Kentmere has either never made
film or hasn't made it for a very long time.

BTW, Ilford is a fairly large city in England and the
company is named after it. I don't think Ilford photo
products was ever called Harman.


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Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA

Harman Technology is named after "Alfred Harman", who originally founded Ilford, the same as the "Eastman" in Eastman Kodak Ltd.
http://www.harmantechnology.com/dotnetnuke/
http://www.kentmere.co.uk/main/kentmere.htm

The Kentmere Art papers were discontinued long before Harman Technology acquired Kentmere. POP paper has been discontinued due to health and safety issues according to the report and it is considered unethical to subcontract them to third-party companies with lower health and safety standards else where in the world. The Kentona paper has been discontinued due to coating problems with the new coating machines at Ilford.
The interesting news is the addition of three new papers to the Kentmere FINEPRINT variable-contrast range which are due out soon.

The Ilford plant was originally in Ilford, England and later moved to Basildon, England. The current products are made at Mobberley in the county of Cheshire.
Ilford Photo is run by the managers who successfully took over the company when it went into administration and they are also enthusiastic B&W photographers themselves. Ilford run tours of their manufacturing site each year so watch out for announcements of this on the apug site by Simon Galley.

Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

It depends upon how you look at it. Harman was, according to the marketing
propaganda, the original name of Ilford. Or Ilford was the place, Harman
was the person.

I was sort of wrong, I found a site with the history of Ilford:

http://www.photomemorabilia.co.uk/Il...hronology.html

In 1879, Alfred Hugh Harman begins making Gelatine Dry Plates in the
basement of his house in Cranbrook Road, Ilford, Essex. His business was
named 'Britannia Works'.


So Ilford was the place, Harman was the person and Britannia Works was
the company.

Geoff.
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Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM