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Old February 28th 09, 08:23 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Ric Trexell
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Default Mamiya Rb67 mirror up question.

I was reading the manual for the RB 67 Pro S for mirror up operation. It
says that you first put the mirror up and then trip the shutter with a
shutter release cable, or if you don't have a release cable you just move
the mirror up button back and it will trip the shutter. Now my question is,
Would that not defeat the purpose of the mirror up operation? I mean how
can you trip the shutter by grabbing a little knob that is hard enough to
turn when it is not during an exposure, and maintaining the camera still
enough to trip it? I have a cable release but I'm asking about that time
when you forgot to bring it along or that doesn't work for some reason.
Have I got this right? Thanks. Ric.
P.S. I'm assuming the obvious that the camera and shutter are wound and all
the dark slide and common sense things are taken care of at this point.


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Old February 28th 09, 10:02 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
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Default Mamiya Rb67 mirror up question.

Ric Trexell wrote:
I was reading the manual for the RB 67 Pro S for mirror up operation. It
says that you first put the mirror up and then trip the shutter with a
shutter release cable, or if you don't have a release cable you just move
the mirror up button back and it will trip the shutter. Now my question is,
Would that not defeat the purpose of the mirror up operation? I mean how
can you trip the shutter by grabbing a little knob that is hard enough to
turn when it is not during an exposure, and maintaining the camera still
enough to trip it? I have a cable release but I'm asking about that time
when you forgot to bring it along or that doesn't work for some reason.
Have I got this right? Thanks. Ric.


Mirror lockup without a tripod and release is sort of self defeating,
IMO. eg: not something worth worrying about if you're not set up
properly in the first place.


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Old February 28th 09, 10:23 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
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Default Mamiya Rb67 mirror up question.


"Alan Browne" wrote in message
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Ric Trexell wrote:
I was reading the manual for the RB 67 Pro S for mirror up operation.
Have I got this right? Thanks. Ric.


Mirror lockup without a tripod and release is sort of self defeating,
IMO. eg: not something worth worrying about if you're not set up
properly in the first place.

************************************************** ***************
The tripod comes under the obvious along with the dark slide removed. I
must have it right as I saw doing it without the cable release as self
defeating. I think you are going to move the camera if you try it that way.
Sounds like a selling point, 'hey you can do it without a cable release, but
don't blame your blurred pictures on the camera.' Thanks, Ric.


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Old March 1st 09, 01:38 AM posted to rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
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Default Mamiya Rb67 mirror up question.

Ric Trexell wrote,on my timestamp of 1/03/2009 8:23 AM:
"Alan Browne" wrote in message
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Ric Trexell wrote:
I was reading the manual for the RB 67 Pro S for mirror up operation.
Have I got this right? Thanks. Ric.

Mirror lockup without a tripod and release is sort of self defeating,
IMO. eg: not something worth worrying about if you're not set up
properly in the first place.

************************************************** ***************
The tripod comes under the obvious along with the dark slide removed. I
must have it right as I saw doing it without the cable release as self
defeating. I think you are going to move the camera if you try it that way.
Sounds like a selling point, 'hey you can do it without a cable release, but
don't blame your blurred pictures on the camera.' Thanks, Ric.



You can actually trip the thing without the double cable.
Just use a normal single cable attached to the lens connector: press the normal
shutter button and the mirror flips up, then use the single cable to trigger the
shutter in the lens.
If the tripod is solid enough, you can indeed twiddle the button and get it to
trigger the shutter: you have to pull it out to set the mirror up control but to
reset/trigger, all it takes is a small rotation instead of a rotate/pull.
But without a cable it's upstream paddling, really.
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Old March 1st 09, 03:04 AM posted to rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Q.G. de Bakker
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Default Mamiya Rb67 mirror up question.

Ric Trexell wrote:

I was reading the manual for the RB 67 Pro S for mirror up operation. It
says that you first put the mirror up and then trip the shutter with a
shutter release cable, or if you don't have a release cable you just move
the mirror up button back and it will trip the shutter. Now my question
is,
Would that not defeat the purpose of the mirror up operation?


Yes.

But it is fine to have a way to return the camera to a usable state, (even)
if you do not have a cable release handy.


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Old March 1st 09, 07:37 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
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Default Mamiya Rb67 mirror up question.

Q.G. de Bakker wrote:
Ric Trexell wrote:

I was reading the manual for the RB 67 Pro S for mirror up operation. It
says that you first put the mirror up and then trip the shutter with a
shutter release cable, or if you don't have a release cable you just move
the mirror up button back and it will trip the shutter. Now my question
is,
Would that not defeat the purpose of the mirror up operation?


Yes.

But it is fine to have a way to return the camera to a usable state, (even)
if you do not have a cable release handy.


I second that opinion. I think it's just a way to get back to a working
state in case cable is unavailable or not functioning (hard to imagine).
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Old March 1st 09, 09:03 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Alan Browne
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Default Mamiya Rb67 mirror up question.

Dave wrote:
Q.G. de Bakker wrote:
Ric Trexell wrote:

I was reading the manual for the RB 67 Pro S for mirror up
operation. It
says that you first put the mirror up and then trip the shutter with a
shutter release cable, or if you don't have a release cable you just
move
the mirror up button back and it will trip the shutter. Now my
question is,
Would that not defeat the purpose of the mirror up operation?


Yes.

But it is fine to have a way to return the camera to a usable state,
(even) if you do not have a cable release handy.

I second that opinion. I think it's just a way to get back to a working
state in case cable is unavailable or not functioning (hard to imagine).


AFAIK it's impossible with the Hasselblad 500 C/M. Once you've tripped
the mirror and body shutter, you have the fire the lens shutter and
expose the film.

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Old March 1st 09, 09:26 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Q.G. de Bakker
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Default Mamiya Rb67 mirror up question.

Alan Browne wrote:

I second that opinion. I think it's just a way to get back to a working
state in case cable is unavailable or not functioning (hard to imagine).


AFAIK it's impossible with the Hasselblad 500 C/M. Once you've tripped
the mirror and body shutter, you have the fire the lens shutter and expose
the film.


Nope.
You just pop-off the film back, release and reset the camera, and you're
fine again.

But this is about an RB67.


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Old March 2nd 09, 10:57 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Alan Browne
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Default Mamiya Rb67 mirror up question.

Q.G. de Bakker wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:

I second that opinion. I think it's just a way to get back to a working
state in case cable is unavailable or not functioning (hard to imagine).

AFAIK it's impossible with the Hasselblad 500 C/M. Once you've tripped
the mirror and body shutter, you have the fire the lens shutter and expose
the film.


Nope.
You just pop-off the film back, release and reset the camera, and you're
fine again.


doh! Of course. As long as the dark slide is handy. Which is
usually, but not always the case.



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Old March 8th 09, 05:16 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
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Default Mamiya Rb67 mirror up question.


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On Feb 28, 2:23 pm, "Ric Trexell" wrote:
I was reading the manual for the RB 67 Pro S for mirror up operation...


Using a cableless release technique with the RB67, as you go to
actuate the shutter, if you rotate the mirror up knob slightly forward
(you'll have to pull it out a little to do this), you'll reach a
point where it is "perched" to be released. Then, a very slight twist
forward will release the shutter. In other words, do it in two steps,
first get the mirror up knob "perched," then give it the tiny nudge it
takes to release it. This is not as ideal as using a cable release,
but it still is better than simply clicking the shutter release, and
better even than having to pull the knob out and twist all in one
motion.
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Thanks, I'll try that. Ric.


 




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