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New Canon 24-70 f/4
So what's the point of the just-announced Canon 24-70mm f/4L IS lens? It's a
stop too slow to be a good indoor lens, and as an outdoor lens it doesn't have nearly the range of the 24-105 f/4 that most people like. Is it aimed mainly at compulsive pixel peepers who think the 24-105 isn't sharp enough but can't afford the new 24-70 f/2.8? Is that a big enough market to be worth the trouble? Bob |
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New Canon 24-70 f/4
On 2012.11.10 01:54 , Robert Coe wrote:
So what's the point of the just-announced Canon 24-70mm f/4L IS lens? It's a stop too slow to be a good indoor lens, and as an outdoor lens it doesn't have nearly the range of the 24-105 f/4 that most people like. Is it aimed mainly at compulsive pixel peepers who think the 24-105 isn't sharp enough but can't afford the new 24-70 f/2.8? With the low noise performance of most DSLR's it's not that big of a deal - bump up the ISO one more stop. Indeed, even cropping to get the equivalent of the last 35mm of zoom will work in many cases. -- "There were, unfortunately, no great principles on which parties were divided – politics became a mere struggle for office." -Sir John A. Macdonald |
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New Canon 24-70 f/4
On 11/10/2012 5:07 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2012.11.10 01:54 , Robert Coe wrote: So what's the point of the just-announced Canon 24-70mm f/4L IS lens? It's a stop too slow to be a good indoor lens, and as an outdoor lens it doesn't have nearly the range of the 24-105 f/4 that most people like. Is it aimed mainly at compulsive pixel peepers who think the 24-105 isn't sharp enough but can't afford the new 24-70 f/2.8? With the low noise performance of most DSLR's it's not that big of a deal - bump up the ISO one more stop. Indeed, even cropping to get the equivalent of the last 35mm of zoom will work in many cases. I too don't think it's that big a deal. But progress, or the perceived necessity for progress, is a business and a users driver. |
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New Canon 24-70 f/4
"Robert Coe" wrote in message news So what's the point of the just-announced Canon 24-70mm f/4L IS lens? It's a stop too slow to be a good indoor lens, and as an outdoor lens it doesn't have nearly the range of the 24-105 f/4 that most people like. Is it aimed mainly at compulsive pixel peepers who think the 24-105 isn't sharp enough but can't afford the new 24-70 f/2.8? Is that a big enough market to be worth the trouble? I'd have to know the price and the weight to make a guess. -- Frank ess |
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New Canon 24-70 f/4
On 11/11/2012 8:23 a.m., Frank S wrote:
"Robert Coe" wrote in message news So what's the point of the just-announced Canon 24-70mm f/4L IS lens? It's a stop too slow to be a good indoor lens, and as an outdoor lens it doesn't have nearly the range of the 24-105 f/4 that most people like. Is it aimed mainly at compulsive pixel peepers who think the 24-105 isn't sharp enough but can't afford the new 24-70 f/2.8? Is that a big enough market to be worth the trouble? I'd have to know the price and the weight to make a guess. $1400 and 600g (24-70 f4 L) $2300 and 805g (24-70 f2.8 L II) Street price got down to $1500 and 905g (24-70 f2.8 L) According to Ken Rockwell, list price for the 24-70L was JPY 220,000 when it was released = US$2770 at present exchange rate. |
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New Canon 24-70 f/4
On Nov 10, 12:57*am, Robert Coe wrote:
So what's the point of the just-announced Canon 24-70mm f/4L IS lens? It's a stop too slow to be a good indoor lens, and as an outdoor lens it doesn't have nearly the range of the 24-105 f/4 that most people like. Is it aimed mainly at compulsive pixel peepers who think the 24-105 isn't sharp enough but can't afford the new 24-70 f/2.8? Is that a big enough market to be worth the trouble? Bob It is clear that it needs to be superior to the 24-105, or what's the point? The 24-105 is a good lens, but it is far from perfect. I think the 24-70 f/4 will be a great kit lens for the 6D. I imagine in the kit, the price will end up being effectively a few hundred less than the $1500 they are quoting now for stand-alone price. |
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New Canon 24-70 f/4
On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 08:07:39 -0500, Alan Browne
wrote: : On 2012.11.10 01:54 , Robert Coe wrote: : So what's the point of the just-announced Canon 24-70mm f/4L IS lens? : It's a stop too slow to be a good indoor lens, and as an outdoor lens : it doesn't have nearly the range of the 24-105 f/4 that most people like. : Is it aimed mainly at compulsive pixel peepers who think the 24-105 isn't : sharp enough but can't afford the new 24-70 f/2.8? : : With the low noise performance of most DSLR's it's not that big of a : deal - bump up the ISO one more stop. Indeed, even cropping to get the : equivalent of the last 35mm of zoom will work in many cases. That idea is a pretty hard sell. For indoor events, the combination of shutter speed, noise level, and depth of field is always a compromise, and a smaller maximum aperture makes autofocus less effective. The last thing you want is to give up a full stop of lens speed. Outdoors, of course, it's a whole different game. But if you do a lot of indoor work, there's little incentive to buy lenses you can use only outdoors. Bob |
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New Canon 24-70 f/4
On 2012.11.11 00:04 , Robert Coe wrote:
On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 08:07:39 -0500, Alan Browne wrote: : On 2012.11.10 01:54 , Robert Coe wrote: : So what's the point of the just-announced Canon 24-70mm f/4L IS lens? : It's a stop too slow to be a good indoor lens, and as an outdoor lens : it doesn't have nearly the range of the 24-105 f/4 that most people like. : Is it aimed mainly at compulsive pixel peepers who think the 24-105 isn't : sharp enough but can't afford the new 24-70 f/2.8? : : With the low noise performance of most DSLR's it's not that big of a : deal - bump up the ISO one more stop. Indeed, even cropping to get the : equivalent of the last 35mm of zoom will work in many cases. That idea is a pretty hard sell. For indoor events, the combination of shutter speed, noise level, and depth of field is always a compromise, and a smaller maximum aperture makes autofocus less effective. The last thing you want is to give up a full stop of lens speed. In the film era I would agree. In the digital era it's really no big deal - shoot faster ISO - and DOF difference is not that much @ 24-70mm from f/2.8 to f/4. Indeed for shooting sports the additional DOF would be most welcome most of the time. For someone with the money, sure, go fast. For someone on a tighter budget compromise is appropriate. So no, it's not at all hard to sell to the one with less cash. Outdoors, of course, it's a whole different game. But if you do a lot of indoor work, there's little incentive to buy lenses you can use only outdoors. A 1 stop bump in ISO and, exposure wise (speed) it's the same as the faster lens. -- "There were, unfortunately, no great principles on which parties were divided – politics became a mere struggle for office." -Sir John A. Macdonald |
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New Canon 24-70 f/4
On 11/11/2012 11:38 p.m., Anthony Polson wrote:
Robert Coe wrote: That idea is a pretty hard sell. For indoor events, the combination of shutter speed, noise level, and depth of field is always a compromise, and a smaller maximum aperture makes autofocus less effective. The last thing you want is to give up a full stop of lens speed. Outdoors, of course, it's a whole different game. But if you do a lot of indoor work, there's little incentive to buy lenses you can use only outdoors. The incentive is the price of the f/4 lens compared to the f/2.8. And IS - FWIW at the 24-70mm focal length range, and it's a little bit smaller and lighter, and it has the standard pro 77mm filter thread. Naysayers - LOL. |
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New Canon 24-70 f/4
Robert Coe wrote in
news So what's the point of the just-announced Canon 24-70mm f/4L IS lens? It's a stop too slow to be a good indoor lens, and as an outdoor lens it doesn't have nearly the range of the 24-105 f/4 that most people like. Is it aimed mainly at compulsive pixel peepers who think the 24-105 isn't sharp enough but can't afford the new 24-70 f/2.8? Is that a big enough market to be worth the trouble? Bob Going 22-70mm would have given them one more step above Nikon. |
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