Argh! No Kodachrome!

In article ,
Marc Carter wrote:

Anyone got any recommendations that would do rich reds and oranges in lieu
of Kodachrome? I'd buy a 135 back for the Bronica, except if I'm going to
tote around that stone of a camera, I want the larger format.

Going to have to second the recommendation for Velvia 50. Provia 100F and
Velvia 100F are also worth a try, but they don't give the same dramatic
colours as Velvia 50.

On 12 Dec 2004 19:22:38 GMT, dy (Bill Hilton)
wrote:

Shoot a roll of each of the three Kodak E-100 films, which have different
amounts of saturation, from a little to over-the-top. Try a roll of Velvia and
maybe a roll of Velvia 100 and Provia 100 F.

What is the principle difference between Velvia and Provia - is it
mainly level of saturation?

On 12 Dec 2004 19:22:38 GMT, dy (Bill Hilton)
wrote:

Shoot a roll of each of the three Kodak E-100 films, which have different
amounts of saturation, from a little to over-the-top. Try a roll of Velvia and
maybe a roll of Velvia 100 and Provia 100 F.

What is the principle difference between Velvia and Provia - is it
mainly level of saturation?

In article ,
Andrew Price wrote:

On 12 Dec 2004 19:22:38 GMT, dy (Bill Hilton)
wrote:

Shoot a roll of each of the three Kodak E-100 films, which have different
amounts of saturation, from a little to over-the-top. Try a roll of Velvia
and
maybe a roll of Velvia 100 and Provia 100 F.

What is the principle difference between Velvia and Provia - is it
mainly level of saturation?

& grain structure. Less granular or shall we say smaller grain.

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In article ,
Andrew Price wrote:

On 12 Dec 2004 19:22:38 GMT, dy (Bill Hilton)
wrote:

Shoot a roll of each of the three Kodak E-100 films, which have different
amounts of saturation, from a little to over-the-top. Try a roll of Velvia
and
maybe a roll of Velvia 100 and Provia 100 F.

What is the principle difference between Velvia and Provia - is it
mainly level of saturation?

& grain structure. Less granular or shall we say smaller grain.

--
LF Website @ http://members.verizon.net/~gregoryblank

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong,
is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918

"Gregory Blank" wrote:
Andrew Price wrote:
On 12 Dec 2004 19:22:38 GMT, dy (Bill Hilton)
wrote:

Shoot a roll of each of the three Kodak E-100 films, which have
different
amounts of saturation, from a little to over-the-top. Try a roll of
Velvia
and maybe a roll of Velvia 100 and Provia 100 F.

What is the principle difference between Velvia and Provia - is it
mainly level of saturation?

& grain structure. Less granular or shall we say smaller grain.

Also color rendition. Velvia 50 is seriously dizzy, whereas Provia 100F
isn't (although some people find that Provia 100F emphasizes blue too much:
I find that any slide film will turn shadow areas blue, so I don't get bent
out of shape).

Velvia 100F is, according to Fuji, the most hue-accurate slide film they've
ever made: I shot a family portrait on it and the skin tones were perfect.
Astia 100F is basically a lower contrast version of Velvia 100F. Reading
between the lines in Fuji Japanese blurbs, I take it that their engineers
think Velvia 50 is an abomination and they are aghast that it's so popular,
they almost got it right with Provia 100F, but that they really think they
did get it right with Astia 100F and Velvia 100F.

Note that Velvia 100 and Velvia 100F are different films. Velvia 100 is the
ISO 100 version of Velvia 50: nutty colors but it won't do the defective
consumer dcam thing of blowing out the reds quite the way Velvia 50 does.
(I've seen a lot of Velvia 50 shots with the reds completely blown: it's a
serious problem with that film.)

By the way, Fuji released three new ISO 160 color negative medium format
only films this year: PRO160NS (low contrast for portraits with strobes),
PRO160NH (higher contrast for portraits with natural light), and 160NPC
(high contast, high saturation, but worse grain and lower resolution than
Reala).

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan

"Gregory Blank" wrote:
Andrew Price wrote:
On 12 Dec 2004 19:22:38 GMT, dy (Bill Hilton)
wrote:

Shoot a roll of each of the three Kodak E-100 films, which have
different
amounts of saturation, from a little to over-the-top. Try a roll of
Velvia
and maybe a roll of Velvia 100 and Provia 100 F.

What is the principle difference between Velvia and Provia - is it
mainly level of saturation?

& grain structure. Less granular or shall we say smaller grain.

Also color rendition. Velvia 50 is seriously dizzy, whereas Provia 100F
isn't (although some people find that Provia 100F emphasizes blue too much:
I find that any slide film will turn shadow areas blue, so I don't get bent
out of shape).

Velvia 100F is, according to Fuji, the most hue-accurate slide film they've
ever made: I shot a family portrait on it and the skin tones were perfect.
Astia 100F is basically a lower contrast version of Velvia 100F. Reading
between the lines in Fuji Japanese blurbs, I take it that their engineers
think Velvia 50 is an abomination and they are aghast that it's so popular,
they almost got it right with Provia 100F, but that they really think they
did get it right with Astia 100F and Velvia 100F.

Note that Velvia 100 and Velvia 100F are different films. Velvia 100 is the
ISO 100 version of Velvia 50: nutty colors but it won't do the defective
consumer dcam thing of blowing out the reds quite the way Velvia 50 does.
(I've seen a lot of Velvia 50 shots with the reds completely blown: it's a
serious problem with that film.)

By the way, Fuji released three new ISO 160 color negative medium format
only films this year: PRO160NS (low contrast for portraits with strobes),
PRO160NH (higher contrast for portraits with natural light), and 160NPC
(high contast, high saturation, but worse grain and lower resolution than
Reala).

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan

From: Andrew Price

What is the principle difference between Velvia and Provia - is it
mainly level of saturation?

Yes ... also Velvia is a stop slower and has higher resolving power (I think
it's 160 lpm vs 125 lpm) ... both are virtually grainless, though Provia 100F
is rated slightly lower (I think RMS 7 vs RMS 8). Velvia blows up better for
big enlargements because of the higher resolving power, but for many uses like
portraiture Velvia is too saturated for most people's tastes. I used to shoot
Velvia for medium format landscapes and Provia 100F for 35 mm wildlife but have
dropped 35 mm for digital so don't shoot Provia any longer.

Best thing to do is shoot a roll of each in similar conditions and see what
looks best to you ...

From: Andrew Price

What is the principle difference between Velvia and Provia - is it
mainly level of saturation?

Yes ... also Velvia is a stop slower and has higher resolving power (I think
it's 160 lpm vs 125 lpm) ... both are virtually grainless, though Provia 100F
is rated slightly lower (I think RMS 7 vs RMS 8). Velvia blows up better for
big enlargements because of the higher resolving power, but for many uses like
portraiture Velvia is too saturated for most people's tastes. I used to shoot
Velvia for medium format landscapes and Provia 100F for 35 mm wildlife but have
dropped 35 mm for digital so don't shoot Provia any longer.

Best thing to do is shoot a roll of each in similar conditions and see what
looks best to you ...

You probably will like the new Kodak E100G or Fuji Astia 100F.

Stay awau from Velvia in any form. It's an abomination, and if you like
Kodachrome you'll hate Velvia !