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Elitechrome 100 Slide Scanning with Coolscan V ED
Alan Browne wrote:
ThomasH wrote: I have problems with Kodak material scanned on the LS4000, but since I almost never use Kodak, I am not very impacted. Especially E200 was really, really fatal. Do not forget to *switch off* ROC!! Its really important. ROC helps only if you have really old slides with substantial color fading. Which level of GEM are you using? My experiences with GEM are very positive, as a matter of fact I never saw any comparable tool to GEM. My experiences with the settings a GEM 1 for Provia 100, Velvia 50 GEM 2 for Sensia 100,200 Agfa Precisa CT100 and 200 GEM 2 or 3 for Provia 400, Sensia 400 GEM 3 was enough for negatives such as Agfa Vista 800 or Fuji Press 1600 Any for E100GX and E100S? I have trouble scanning them, grain aliasing perhaps? Perhaps! I had so many problems with Ektachrome E200 that I dropped this material log ago in favor of Agfa RSX200 or Sensia 200 or Agfa Precisa CT200. I have also encountered problems in scanning of Elitechrome 100, but I concluded back than that possibly Qualex did a lousy job with development. (I used to have Kodak mailers for E6 film, but all this changed after someone recommended me Calypso in Santa Clara! Jeez, the best place for E6 development was just 5 min away, and I was oblivious to its existence!) Which scanner are you using? Nikon uses LEd light, I suspected this light cannot penetrate Kodak's celluloid (??) Just hunches, but Kodak is slide is really difficult to scan. Thomas Cheers, Alan -- --e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- |
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Elitechrome 100 Slide Scanning with Coolscan V ED
Oliver Kunze wrote:
"ThomasH" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... .... Why not practical? Its digital photography! We have untold gigs of space and DVD's to archive the data! Keep 48bit scans! I do without exception. I use Vuescan to process raw 48bit files, but for a really fine job you probably need something like Picture Window or than of course Photoshop! Anyway, 48bit is essential if you use slide material with high dynamic range. Wolfgang Faust who makes IT 8 calibration targets wrote that Fujichrome has dynamic range of 4! Since what version number is Photoshop fully capable (filters etc.) of handling 48bit? I understand elements 2.0 which came with my Coolscan is not. Is PS 6, which is available at a fair price? Thomas Oliver How about the http://www.dl-c.com/, Picture Window Pro! Its all around 48bit processor! Norman Koren uses this tool and he has also posted very detailed users guide on http://normankoren.com/ I like his site a lot, I just wish he would be a bit less "Canon focussed." Thomas |
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Elitechrome 100 Slide Scanning with Coolscan V ED
ThomasH wrote:
Alan Browne wrote: ThomasH wrote: I have problems with Kodak material scanned on the LS4000, but since I almost never use Kodak, I am not very impacted. Especially E200 was really, really fatal. Do not forget to *switch off* ROC!! Its really important. ROC helps only if you have really old slides with substantial color fading. Which level of GEM are you using? My experiences with GEM are very positive, as a matter of fact I never saw any comparable tool to GEM. My experiences with the settings a GEM 1 for Provia 100, Velvia 50 GEM 2 for Sensia 100,200 Agfa Precisa CT100 and 200 GEM 2 or 3 for Provia 400, Sensia 400 GEM 3 was enough for negatives such as Agfa Vista 800 or Fuji Press 1600 Any for E100GX and E100S? I have trouble scanning them, grain aliasing perhaps? Perhaps! I had so many problems with Ektachrome E200 that I dropped this material log ago in favor of Agfa RSX200 or Sensia 200 or Agfa Precisa CT200. I have also encountered problems in scanning of Elitechrome 100, but I concluded back than that possibly Qualex did a lousy job with development. (I used to have Kodak mailers for E6 film, but all this changed after someone recommended me Calypso in Santa Clara! Jeez, the best place for E6 development was just 5 min away, and I was oblivious to its existence!) Which scanner are you using? Nikon uses LEd light, I suspected this light cannot penetrate Kodak's celluloid (??) Just hunches, but Kodak is slide is really difficult to scan. Minolta 5400 (Cold cathode flourescent). I just scanned some E100G and it went very well, but S and GX are not easy to scan. Elitechrome 200 (consumer v. of Ektachrome 200) scans fine, 'though it does have grain ... but not in an unpleasing way. Cheers, Alan -- --e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- |
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Elitechrome 100 Slide Scanning with Coolscan V ED
FWIW:
Corel PhotoPaint has some "48-bit" capabilities. I haven't "kept up" on the program recently, but version 8 had better "48-bit support" than the version of PhotoShop that was being sold at the time (IIRC ... version 5.x). Oliver Kunze wrote: snip Since what version number is Photoshop fully capable (filters etc.) of handling 48bit? I understand elements 2.0 which came with my Coolscan is not. Is PS 6, which is available at a fair price? Thomas Oliver "ThomasH" wrote in message ... How about the http://www.dl-c.com/, Picture Window Pro! Its all around 48bit processor! Norman Koren uses this tool and he has also posted very detailed users guide on http://normankoren.com/ I like his site a lot, I just wish he would be a bit less "Canon focussed." Thomas |
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Elitechrome 100 Slide Scanning with Coolscan V ED
Alan Browne wrote:
ThomasH wrote: Alan Browne wrote: ThomasH wrote: I have problems with Kodak material scanned on the LS4000, but since I almost never use Kodak, I am not very impacted. Especially E200 was really, really fatal. Do not forget to *switch off* ROC!! Its really important. ROC helps only if you have really old slides with substantial color fading. Which level of GEM are you using? My experiences with GEM are very positive, as a matter of fact I never saw any comparable tool to GEM. My experiences with the settings a GEM 1 for Provia 100, Velvia 50 GEM 2 for Sensia 100,200 Agfa Precisa CT100 and 200 GEM 2 or 3 for Provia 400, Sensia 400 GEM 3 was enough for negatives such as Agfa Vista 800 or Fuji Press 1600 Any for E100GX and E100S? I have trouble scanning them, grain aliasing perhaps? Perhaps! I had so many problems with Ektachrome E200 that I dropped this material log ago in favor of Agfa RSX200 or Sensia 200 or Agfa Precisa CT200. I have also encountered problems in scanning of Elitechrome 100, but I concluded back than that possibly Qualex did a lousy job with development. (I used to have Kodak mailers for E6 film, but all this changed after someone recommended me Calypso in Santa Clara! Jeez, the best place for E6 development was just 5 min away, and I was oblivious to its existence!) Which scanner are you using? Nikon uses LEd light, I suspected this light cannot penetrate Kodak's celluloid (??) Just hunches, but Kodak is slide is really difficult to scan. Minolta 5400 (Cold cathode flourescent). I just scanned some E100G and it went very well, but S and GX are not easy to scan. Elitechrome 200 (consumer v. of Ektachrome 200) scans fine, 'though it does have grain ... but not in an unpleasing way. I though so far that these problems with Ektachrome were intrinsic to Nikon and their LED monochromatic light sources... Obviously there is something troublesome about Kodak's celluloid. Thomas Cheers, Alan -- --e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- |
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Elitechrome 100 Slide Scanning with Coolscan V ED
"ThomasH" wrote in message ... SNIP Minolta 5400 (Cold cathode flourescent). I just scanned some E100G and it went very well, but S and GX are not easy to scan. Elitechrome 200 (consumer v. of Ektachrome 200) scans fine, 'though it does have grain ... but not in an unpleasing way. I though so far that these problems with Ektachrome were intrinsic to Nikon and their LED monochromatic light sources... Obviously there is something troublesome about Kodak's celluloid. I haven't seen any examples (maybe I missed them) but I wouldn't jump to conclusions too fast. Many issues result from people cutting corners, e.g. scanning at less than full resolution. Yes, they may save some scan time, but they will regret it when they compare lower res scans with properly downsampled ones. And a 4000 or 5400 ppi scan allows lots of downsampling for many uses (not everybody makes posters of each scan ;-) ). Some make the mistake to judge results at less than 100% zoom on screen, which will create all sorts of aliasing artifacts. Some links to some comparison examples would be appreciated, because an image says more than a thousand words... Bart |
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Elitechrome 100 Slide Scanning with Coolscan V ED
ThomasH wrote:
Alan Browne wrote: ThomasH wrote: Which scanner are you using? Nikon uses LEd light, I suspected this light cannot penetrate Kodak's celluloid (??) Just hunches, but Kodak is slide is really difficult to scan. Minolta 5400 (Cold cathode flourescent). I just scanned some E100G and it went very well, but S and GX are not easy to scan. Elitechrome 200 (consumer v. of Ektachrome 200) scans fine, 'though it does have grain ... but not in an unpleasing way. I though so far that these problems with Ektachrome were intrinsic to Nikon and their LED monochromatic light sources... Obviously there is something troublesome about Kodak's celluloid. Troublesome only in the digital sampling sense. Projected look fine. Some time ago there were posts regarding scanners picking up air bubbles (or something) in Fuji film base. Had never been a problem before scanning. Fuji (reportedly) did something to their process (or supplier of base) and you don't hear of the problem anymore... (was prob. much ado about nothing in the first place). Nikon's 5000/9000, I believe, have s/w desigend specifically for the Kodak grain (grain-aliasing?) problem. Cheers, Alan -- --e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- |
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Elitechrome 100 Slide Scanning with Coolscan V ED
Bart van der Wolf wrote:
"ThomasH" wrote in message ... SNIP Minolta 5400 (Cold cathode flourescent). I just scanned some E100G and it went very well, but S and GX are not easy to scan. Elitechrome 200 (consumer v. of Ektachrome 200) scans fine, 'though it does have grain ... but not in an unpleasing way. I though so far that these problems with Ektachrome were intrinsic to Nikon and their LED monochromatic light sources... Obviously there is something troublesome about Kodak's celluloid. I haven't seen any examples (maybe I missed them) but I wouldn't jump to conclusions too fast. Many issues result from people cutting corners, e.g. scanning at less than full resolution. Yes, they may save some scan time, but they will regret it when they compare lower res scans with properly downsampled ones. And a 4000 or 5400 ppi scan allows lots of downsampling for many uses (not everybody makes posters of each scan ;-) ). Some make the mistake to judge results at less than 100% zoom on screen, which will create all sorts of aliasing artifacts. I believe that issues such as grain-aliasing occur at the higher res scans, not the lower. -- --e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- |
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Elitechrome 100 Slide Scanning with Coolscan V ED
In article , Alan Browne
writes Bart van der Wolf wrote: "ThomasH" wrote in message ... SNIP Minolta 5400 (Cold cathode flourescent). I just scanned some E100G and it went very well, but S and GX are not easy to scan. Elitechrome 200 (consumer v. of Ektachrome 200) scans fine, 'though it does have grain ... but not in an unpleasing way. I though so far that these problems with Ektachrome were intrinsic to Nikon and their LED monochromatic light sources... Obviously there is something troublesome about Kodak's celluloid. I haven't seen any examples (maybe I missed them) but I wouldn't jump to conclusions too fast. Many issues result from people cutting corners, e.g. scanning at less than full resolution. Yes, they may save some scan time, but they will regret it when they compare lower res scans with properly downsampled ones. And a 4000 or 5400 ppi scan allows lots of downsampling for many uses (not everybody makes posters of each scan ;-) ). Some make the mistake to judge results at less than 100% zoom on screen, which will create all sorts of aliasing artifacts. I believe that issues such as grain-aliasing occur at the higher res scans, not the lower. A common, and completely wrong, misconception! Grain aliasing, in fact aliasing of any subject matter, occurs because the resolution of the sensing system exceeds the resolution which can be supported by the sampling density, as defined by the Nyquist criteria. For a fixed size sensor (in this case the individual sensing elements in the CCD) and a given optical system the resolution is fixed. Thus aliasing becomes more problematic at lower sampling densities because this fixed resolution of the sensor is more likely to exceed the resolution capable of being supported. The reason for the common misconception that you have reiterated is that lower resolution scanners (specifically *NOT* lower resolution scans from high resolution capable devices) have lower resolution sensing elements and optics. Consequently aliasing is less noticeable with such scanners at low resolutions than it is with high resolution systems at the same sampling density. In addition, certain features in the object being scanned, in this case grain, cannot be resolved at all by the low resolution scanners and therefore cannot alias. However, since they clearly are resolved by the high resolution scanners, they alias even more at low resolution scans than at high resolution ones made on such systems. The worst possible configuration is a low resolution scan made directly from a high resolution scanner without the proper downsampling that Bart alluded to. -- Kennedy Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed; A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's ****ed. Python Philosophers (replace 'nospam' with 'kennedym' when replying) |
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Elitechrome 100 Slide Scanning with Coolscan V ED
Kennedy McEwen wrote:
In article , Alan Browne writes Bart van der Wolf wrote: "ThomasH" wrote in message ... SNIP Minolta 5400 (Cold cathode flourescent). I just scanned some E100G and it went very well, but S and GX are not easy to scan. Elitechrome 200 (consumer v. of Ektachrome 200) scans fine, 'though it does have grain ... but not in an unpleasing way. I though so far that these problems with Ektachrome were intrinsic to Nikon and their LED monochromatic light sources... Obviously there is something troublesome about Kodak's celluloid. I haven't seen any examples (maybe I missed them) but I wouldn't jump to conclusions too fast. Many issues result from people cutting corners, e.g. scanning at less than full resolution. Yes, they may save some scan time, but they will regret it when they compare lower res scans with properly downsampled ones. And a 4000 or 5400 ppi scan allows lots of downsampling for many uses (not everybody makes posters of each scan ;-) ). Some make the mistake to judge results at less than 100% zoom on screen, which will create all sorts of aliasing artifacts. I believe that issues such as grain-aliasing occur at the higher res scans, not the lower. A common, and completely wrong, misconception! Grain aliasing, in fact aliasing of any subject matter, occurs because the resolution of the sensing system exceeds the resolution which can be supported by the sampling density, as defined by the Nyquist criteria. For a fixed size sensor (in this case the individual sensing elements in the CCD) and a given optical system the resolution is fixed. Thus aliasing becomes more problematic at lower sampling densities because this fixed resolution of the sensor is more likely to exceed the resolution capable of being supported. The reason for the common misconception that you have reiterated is that lower resolution scanners (specifically *NOT* lower resolution scans from high resolution capable devices) have lower resolution sensing elements and optics. Consequently aliasing is less noticeable with such scanners at low resolutions than it is with high resolution systems at the same sampling density. In addition, certain features in the object being scanned, in this case grain, cannot be resolved at all by the low resolution scanners and therefore cannot alias. However, since they clearly are resolved by the high resolution scanners, they alias even more at low resolution scans than at high resolution ones made on such systems. The worst possible configuration is a low resolution scan made directly from a high resolution scanner without the proper downsampling that Bart alluded to. I get what you're saying, and it makes sense. OTOH, when I scan at 5400 on E100S I get strong grain appearance that does not show projected. The same film scanned at 1/4 the res of the scanner does not exhibit the grain as strongly (and of course nor does it show the detail). So pehaps grain aliasing is the wrong term, but something is happening (or not happening) resulting in the chunky looking grain. Other films (incl. GX, Sensia, Velvia) do not show these artifacts... Cheers, Alan -- --e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- |
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