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wrote in message ... You blithering idiots! You re-elected that imbecile George Bush as your President. He’s a complete moron and so are most of you! - Don’t you care what the rest of the world thinks of you? Yes.....I just don't care what you think of me....... |
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Stupid Americans! -- Stupid... Stupid... STUPID!!! _____________ ovywfuju
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evidence is coming out that the black box voting machines were the deciding factor. In those states without them the exit polls agreed with the results. In Florida and Ohio where they use the machines...the exit polls put Kerry ahead...but the machines gave it to Bush. Keep up with this a blackboxvoting.org or something like that. Now that's interesting! Cites? Here in Canada we use paper ballots and I see no reason why the USA cannot do the same!. A federal election is over (from the droppng of the 'writ' to the final tally) in 90 days. From the closing of the polls to the declaration of a winner is a matter of hours, not days. Lawyers or courts have NO say. Governments here are NOT given four years free reign! If the party in power does not live up to it's promises it is gone - right quick! Sure, it ain't perfect. Sure we would like to see more transparancy and sure there is a lot of room for improvement. Sure, there are always a few ridings that are so close that a re-count is called for but those are the exception. We try to eliminate wealth from the electoral process - "try", I say - not that we have been entirely successful. No system of government that any nation has ever tried has been perfect! We just do the best that we can. And, in my humble opinion, Canada does it better than most. We feel for our brothers to the South! Not only does their system seem to damage them and their reputation it also damages the world. Sadly, the American super economy gives the impression that somehow *it* is in charge when, in fact, it is merely holding on to the "tiger's tail'. Geez - Just tried to reply to a simple post and now I have written a 'philosophy of politics' 101. Sorry guys - I know this is way off topic and I will stop now. Loe to you all. Ken. http://www.rupert.net/~solar Return address supplied by 'spammotel' http://www.spammotel.com |
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"Ken Davey" writes:
Here in Canada we use paper ballots and I see no reason why the USA cannot do the same!. Well, the USA does seem to have a lot more questions to vote on in a single election. In a federal election in Canada, you pick one of the candidates for your riding and that may be it. Takes a few seconds to vote, and not much more to count - even if the counting is done by hand. Municipal elections may be a bit longer, with some referendum questions, but are still probably 2 or 3 pages at most. I remember reading some elections chief in some state saying that the absentee ballot for that state would be 19 pages long. Even with people voting on electronic touch screens, they expected each voter to take 5 minutes. With all these questions, hand-counting the ballots after an election would take a lot longer than it does in Canada. Still, I do wonder why there seems to be so little concern about the trustworthiness of the electronic voting machines. And the Electoral College seems just plain weird to an outside observer. Dave |
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"Dave Martindale" wrote in message ... "Ken Davey" writes: Here in Canada we use paper ballots and I see no reason why the USA cannot do the same!. Well, the USA does seem to have a lot more questions to vote on in a single election. In a federal election in Canada, you pick one of the candidates for your riding and that may be it. Takes a few seconds to vote, and not much more to count - even if the counting is done by hand. Municipal elections may be a bit longer, with some referendum questions, but are still probably 2 or 3 pages at most. I remember reading some elections chief in some state saying that the absentee ballot for that state would be 19 pages long. Even with people voting on electronic touch screens, they expected each voter to take 5 minutes. With all these questions, hand-counting the ballots after an election would take a lot longer than it does in Canada. Still, I do wonder why there seems to be so little concern about the trustworthiness of the electronic voting machines. And the Electoral College seems just plain weird to an outside observer. Dave Here in Oregon, we vote by mail on a normal sheet of paper. I don't know if the results are machine read or not, but they could always be counted by hand, even if they are. I personally voted about a week before the 2nd of November, but the Oregon election board doesn't release any results until election day, regardless of when they actually count the ballots. Other than the burden it puts on the Post Office, I see nothing wrong with this way of doing it, and the post office gets 37 cents each way, or 74 cents per voter..... |
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"William Graham" wrote in message news:sMUjd.9183$V41.4840@attbi_s52... "Dave Martindale" wrote in message ... Still, I do wonder why there seems to be so little concern about the trustworthiness of the electronic voting machines. And the Electoral College seems just plain weird to an outside observer. Dave Here in Oregon, we vote by mail on a normal sheet of paper. I don't know if the results are machine read or not, but they could always be counted by hand, even if they are. I personally voted about a week before the 2nd of November, but the Oregon election board doesn't release any results until election day, regardless of when they actually count the ballots. Other than the burden it puts on the Post Office, I see nothing wrong with this way of doing it, and the post office gets 37 cents each way, or 74 cents per voter..... I gotta agree with you, vote by mail is simple and easy. We had a really high voter turnout, too, something like 86% of registered voters actually voted. They start counting as soon as the ballots start coming in, and if there's a problem they can send it back with plenty of time to fix it. One election several years ago I forgot to sign the back of my envelope, and it was sent back to me. I've also heard reports of voters in the same household getting their envelopes mixed up, and having them sent back because the signatures didn't match. The election officials have more time to process the votes, and can take the extra time to be more through. I don't know why more states haven't switched to vote by mail. Gloria |
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"Gloria Carr" wrote in message ink.net... "William Graham" wrote in message news:sMUjd.9183$V41.4840@attbi_s52... "Dave Martindale" wrote in message ... Still, I do wonder why there seems to be so little concern about the trustworthiness of the electronic voting machines. And the Electoral College seems just plain weird to an outside observer. Dave Here in Oregon, we vote by mail on a normal sheet of paper. I don't know if the results are machine read or not, but they could always be counted by hand, even if they are. I personally voted about a week before the 2nd of November, but the Oregon election board doesn't release any results until election day, regardless of when they actually count the ballots. Other than the burden it puts on the Post Office, I see nothing wrong with this way of doing it, and the post office gets 37 cents each way, or 74 cents per voter..... I gotta agree with you, vote by mail is simple and easy. We had a really high voter turnout, too, something like 86% of registered voters actually voted. They start counting as soon as the ballots start coming in, and if there's a problem they can send it back with plenty of time to fix it. One election several years ago I forgot to sign the back of my envelope, and it was sent back to me. I've also heard reports of voters in the same household getting their envelopes mixed up, and having them sent back because the signatures didn't match. The election officials have more time to process the votes, and can take the extra time to be more through. I don't know why more states haven't switched to vote by mail. Gloria Sure there's a good turnout, since there's no waiting in line....the ballot box is as close as your nearest mailbox. The only bad thing about living and voting here in Oregon is that everyone else except me is a Democrat....:^) |
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"William Graham" wrote in message news:eiXjd.9829$V41.4855@attbi_s52... "Gloria Carr" wrote in message ink.net... "William Graham" wrote in message news:sMUjd.9183$V41.4840@attbi_s52... "Dave Martindale" wrote in message ... Still, I do wonder why there seems to be so little concern about the trustworthiness of the electronic voting machines. And the Electoral College seems just plain weird to an outside observer. Dave Here in Oregon, we vote by mail on a normal sheet of paper. I don't know if the results are machine read or not, but they could always be counted by hand, even if they are. I personally voted about a week before the 2nd of November, but the Oregon election board doesn't release any results until election day, regardless of when they actually count the ballots. Other than the burden it puts on the Post Office, I see nothing wrong with this way of doing it, and the post office gets 37 cents each way, or 74 cents per voter..... I gotta agree with you, vote by mail is simple and easy. We had a really high voter turnout, too, something like 86% of registered voters actually voted. They start counting as soon as the ballots start coming in, and if there's a problem they can send it back with plenty of time to fix it. One election several years ago I forgot to sign the back of my envelope, and it was sent back to me. I've also heard reports of voters in the same household getting their envelopes mixed up, and having them sent back because the signatures didn't match. The election officials have more time to process the votes, and can take the extra time to be more through. I don't know why more states haven't switched to vote by mail. Gloria Sure there's a good turnout, since there's no waiting in line....the ballot box is as close as your nearest mailbox. The only bad thing about living and voting here in Oregon is that everyone else except me is a Democrat....:^) Whether or not that's a bad thing depends on which side of the isle you sit. LOL Gloria |
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"Gloria Carr" wrote in message hlink.net... "William Graham" wrote in message news:eiXjd.9829$V41.4855@attbi_s52... "Gloria Carr" wrote in message ink.net... "William Graham" wrote in message news:sMUjd.9183$V41.4840@attbi_s52... "Dave Martindale" wrote in message ... Still, I do wonder why there seems to be so little concern about the trustworthiness of the electronic voting machines. And the Electoral College seems just plain weird to an outside observer. Dave Here in Oregon, we vote by mail on a normal sheet of paper. I don't know if the results are machine read or not, but they could always be counted by hand, even if they are. I personally voted about a week before the 2nd of November, but the Oregon election board doesn't release any results until election day, regardless of when they actually count the ballots. Other than the burden it puts on the Post Office, I see nothing wrong with this way of doing it, and the post office gets 37 cents each way, or 74 cents per voter..... I gotta agree with you, vote by mail is simple and easy. We had a really high voter turnout, too, something like 86% of registered voters actually voted. They start counting as soon as the ballots start coming in, and if there's a problem they can send it back with plenty of time to fix it. One election several years ago I forgot to sign the back of my envelope, and it was sent back to me. I've also heard reports of voters in the same household getting their envelopes mixed up, and having them sent back because the signatures didn't match. The election officials have more time to process the votes, and can take the extra time to be more through. I don't know why more states haven't switched to vote by mail. Gloria Sure there's a good turnout, since there's no waiting in line....the ballot box is as close as your nearest mailbox. The only bad thing about living and voting here in Oregon is that everyone else except me is a Democrat....:^) Whether or not that's a bad thing depends on which side of the isle you sit. LOL Gloria True, but I forgot to add that it means that I am effectively disenfranchised, at least as far as the presidential race is concerned....I have voted Republican all of my life, and my vote has never been worth a tinkers Damn, because I have lived in California or Oregon all of my voting life.....This is the only bad thing about our electoral college system........ |
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"Gloria Carr" wrote in message hlink.net... "William Graham" wrote in message news:eiXjd.9829$V41.4855@attbi_s52... "Gloria Carr" wrote in message ink.net... "William Graham" wrote in message news:sMUjd.9183$V41.4840@attbi_s52... "Dave Martindale" wrote in message ... Still, I do wonder why there seems to be so little concern about the trustworthiness of the electronic voting machines. And the Electoral College seems just plain weird to an outside observer. Dave Here in Oregon, we vote by mail on a normal sheet of paper. I don't know if the results are machine read or not, but they could always be counted by hand, even if they are. I personally voted about a week before the 2nd of November, but the Oregon election board doesn't release any results until election day, regardless of when they actually count the ballots. Other than the burden it puts on the Post Office, I see nothing wrong with this way of doing it, and the post office gets 37 cents each way, or 74 cents per voter..... I gotta agree with you, vote by mail is simple and easy. We had a really high voter turnout, too, something like 86% of registered voters actually voted. They start counting as soon as the ballots start coming in, and if there's a problem they can send it back with plenty of time to fix it. One election several years ago I forgot to sign the back of my envelope, and it was sent back to me. I've also heard reports of voters in the same household getting their envelopes mixed up, and having them sent back because the signatures didn't match. The election officials have more time to process the votes, and can take the extra time to be more through. I don't know why more states haven't switched to vote by mail. Gloria Sure there's a good turnout, since there's no waiting in line....the ballot box is as close as your nearest mailbox. The only bad thing about living and voting here in Oregon is that everyone else except me is a Democrat....:^) Whether or not that's a bad thing depends on which side of the isle you sit. LOL Gloria True, but I forgot to add that it means that I am effectively disenfranchised, at least as far as the presidential race is concerned....I have voted Republican all of my life, and my vote has never been worth a tinkers Damn, because I have lived in California or Oregon all of my voting life.....This is the only bad thing about our electoral college system........ |
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