Thanksgiving photo

A reminder of what we truly /must/ give thanks for:

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War Veterans Memorial, Mt Soledad, LaJolla, California

--
Frank ess

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:15:19 -0800, "Frank ess" wrote:

A reminder of what we truly /must/ give thanks for:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2667/...40c66de2_o.jpg

War Veterans Memorial, Mt Soledad, LaJolla, California

Yeah, let me thank them for being corporate pawns and are too ignorant to
see that they are just patsies for oil-company CEOs. Giving up their lives
and mindlessly following like sheep to keep those CEOs in their cushy and
manipulative towers.

War casualties (religious or corporate) are just prime examples of the very
best Darwinism in action.

GO! Lemmings! GO!

Thanks! For erasing your weak-willed stupidity genes from the human race!

Frank ess wrote:
A reminder of what we truly /must/ give thanks for:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2667/...40c66de2_o.jpg

War Veterans Memorial, Mt Soledad, LaJolla, California

Wrong.

Thankgiving is not a "christian" holiday and it is not a patriotic
holiday. It has nothing to do with war (that's Memorial Day) and it
has nothing to do with the cross (that's Easter). It's a day for
giving thanks.

--
Ray Fischer

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:15:19 -0800, "Frank ess" wrote:

A reminder of what we truly /must/ give thanks for:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2667/...40c66de2_o.jpg

War Veterans Memorial, Mt Soledad, LaJolla, California

A bit more cropping to get rid of the cars and it will look better. A bit hard to fix the darkness though.

In message , Die Wahrheit
writes
On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:15:19 -0800, "Frank ess" wrote:

A reminder of what we truly /must/ give thanks for:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2667/...40c66de2_o.jpg

War Veterans Memorial, Mt Soledad, LaJolla, California

Yeah, let me thank them for being corporate pawns and are too ignorant to
see that they are just patsies for oil-company CEOs. Giving up their lives
and mindlessly following like sheep to keep those CEOs in their cushy and
manipulative towers.

As an ex-serviceman I have to say there is more than a little truth in
that.

War casualties (religious or corporate) are just prime examples of the very
best Darwinism in action.

Not sure about that.... it depends on which cou8ntry you are talking
about. Some Armies like the US really believe they are there fro
"freedom and democracy" and they are bringing "civilisation" etc others
are a LOT more cynical.

EG the UK forces. I recall a battalion briefing in 1990 and one of the
questions was "were we going in for oil and the big corporations?" The
answer was "Yes, it is politics and commerce.... but when has it ever
been different?"




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In message , Ray Fischer
writes
Frank ess wrote:
A reminder of what we truly /must/ give thanks for:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2667/...40c66de2_o.jpg

War Veterans Memorial, Mt Soledad, LaJolla, California

Wrong.

Thankgiving is not a "christian" holiday and it is not a patriotic
holiday. It has nothing to do with war (that's Memorial Day) and it
has nothing to do with the cross (that's Easter). It's a day for
giving thanks.

The cross I though was a generic Christian symbol and not just for
Easter?

As you say it is not about "war" though I thought (btw I am not
American so this is a genuine request for information) that it was
thanks giving for landing in the Americas safely and making the
crossing?

It would be "Christian" as most/all? of them were some what zealous in
their Christian beliefs hence leaving Europe. I am not sure that
originally it was "patriotic" as there was no country as such to be
patriotic about? Didn't that come later?


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\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
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On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:08:51 +0000, Chris H wrote:

In message , Ray Fischer
writes
Frank ess wrote:
A reminder of what we truly /must/ give thanks for:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2667/...40c66de2_o.jpg

War Veterans Memorial, Mt Soledad, LaJolla, California

Wrong.

Thankgiving is not a "christian" holiday and it is not a patriotic
holiday. It has nothing to do with war (that's Memorial Day) and it
has nothing to do with the cross (that's Easter). It's a day for
giving thanks.

The cross I though was a generic Christian symbol and not just for
Easter?

As you say it is not about "war" though I thought (btw I am not
American so this is a genuine request for information) that it was
thanks giving for landing in the Americas safely and making the
crossing?

It would be "Christian" as most/all? of them were some what zealous in
their Christian beliefs hence leaving Europe. I am not sure that
originally it was "patriotic" as there was no country as such to be
patriotic about? Didn't that come later?

The origin of "Thanks-Giving" is a First-Nations' (Native American) custom
that was originally called, when correctly translated, "Thanks for Giving".
It has absolutely NOTHING to do with a European's adopted (forced on)
middle-east deity. It was to give thanks to those that shared what they had
with you, and thanks to the earth for it sharing what it provided.

Unfortunately, just like all original holidays and customs, this holiday
too has been stolen, twisted, *******ized, and manipulated into some
psychotic-christian war-mongering crap for their own self-serving means.

In message , Die Wahrheit
writes
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:08:51 +0000, Chris H wrote:

In message , Ray Fischer
writes
Frank ess wrote:
A reminder of what we truly /must/ give thanks for:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2667/...40c66de2_o.jpg

War Veterans Memorial, Mt Soledad, LaJolla, California

Wrong.

Thankgiving is not a "christian" holiday and it is not a patriotic
holiday. It has nothing to do with war (that's Memorial Day) and it
has nothing to do with the cross (that's Easter). It's a day for
giving thanks.

The cross I though was a generic Christian symbol and not just for
Easter?

As you say it is not about "war" though I thought (btw I am not
American so this is a genuine request for information) that it was
thanks giving for landing in the Americas safely and making the
crossing?

It would be "Christian" as most/all? of them were some what zealous in
their Christian beliefs hence leaving Europe. I am not sure that
originally it was "patriotic" as there was no country as such to be
patriotic about? Didn't that come later?

The origin of "Thanks-Giving" is a First-Nations' (Native American) custom
that was originally called, when correctly translated, "Thanks for Giving".
It has absolutely NOTHING to do with a European's adopted (forced on)
middle-east deity.

Thanks for the clarification... Not like the Christians to steal some
one else's festival. Now I must put the Christmas decorations up :-)))

It was to give thanks to those that shared what they had
with you, and thanks to the earth for it sharing what it provided.

Unfortunately, just like all original holidays and customs, this holiday
too has been stolen, twisted, *******ized, and manipulated into some
psychotic-christian war-mongering crap for their own self-serving means.

And unfortunately the winners get to rewrite history...

The good news is the Irish government has finally woken up and is going
to sort out the Catholic Church over its long history of child abuse.
At last we should see a lot of them end up in jail in 2010.

--
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:56:06 +0000, Chris H wrote:

In message , Die Wahrheit
writes
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:08:51 +0000, Chris H wrote:

In message , Ray Fischer
writes
Frank ess wrote:
A reminder of what we truly /must/ give thanks for:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2667/...40c66de2_o.jpg

War Veterans Memorial, Mt Soledad, LaJolla, California

Wrong.

Thankgiving is not a "christian" holiday and it is not a patriotic
holiday. It has nothing to do with war (that's Memorial Day) and it
has nothing to do with the cross (that's Easter). It's a day for
giving thanks.

The cross I though was a generic Christian symbol and not just for
Easter?

As you say it is not about "war" though I thought (btw I am not
American so this is a genuine request for information) that it was
thanks giving for landing in the Americas safely and making the
crossing?

It would be "Christian" as most/all? of them were some what zealous in
their Christian beliefs hence leaving Europe. I am not sure that
originally it was "patriotic" as there was no country as such to be
patriotic about? Didn't that come later?

The origin of "Thanks-Giving" is a First-Nations' (Native American) custom
that was originally called, when correctly translated, "Thanks for Giving".
It has absolutely NOTHING to do with a European's adopted (forced on)
middle-east deity.

Thanks for the clarification... Not like the Christians to steal some
one else's festival. Now I must put the Christmas decorations up :-)))


I call them Yule Decorations, and only decorate a living tree outside. With
strings of food and ornaments symbolic of nature's forces, to pay homage to
all life (not death, as christians worship their symbols of death). The
same way it used to be done before christians cut down all the Yule Trees
and hid them in their homes to give them the custom they have today.
There's a reason their holiday is on the 25th and Yule was on the Winter
Solstice. It took them that long to discover all the decorated and living
Pagan Yule Trees, to destroy them, then hide these non-burnable trees in
their homes (the only way they could hide their vandalism) and then make up
a story to tell their children and neighbors. To explain this insane
behavior of theirs of putting a live decorated tree in the middle of their
house in the dead of winter. There's a reason too that some European
cultures still practice hanging a Yule Tree upside-down in their homes in
winter. It was a way for christians to keep them out of the way and drying
until they could burn them. Symbolic too of hanging all Pagans.

As recorded by Charlemagne, "And they cut down the mighty Pagan Tree, and
up sprang the birth of our christ."

It was to give thanks to those that shared what they had
with you, and thanks to the earth for it sharing what it provided.

Unfortunately, just like all original holidays and customs, this holiday
too has been stolen, twisted, *******ized, and manipulated into some
psychotic-christian war-mongering crap for their own self-serving means.

And unfortunately the winners get to rewrite history...

The good news is the Irish government has finally woken up and is going
to sort out the Catholic Church over its long history of child abuse.
At last we should see a lot of them end up in jail in 2010.

While you're at it, ask them about ...

The custom of drinking for st. patrick's day. How it goes all the way back
to when christians wiped out the original Irish Pagan beliefs in the Pagan
Deity of Trefuilnid Treochar (whose symbol of power was the shamrock, now
stolen for use by the christians' imaginary st. patrick). Today's Irish
drinking custom stems from trying to forget the loss of their culture and
drowning their sorrows. Trefuilnid Treochar was just renamed into st.
patrick so christians wouldn't have to put them to death for worshipping
their Pagan Gods. The allegory of "driving the 'snakes' out of Ireland" is
just the christian-invented myth of how they ridded all of Ireland of their
original Irish customs, knowledge, wisdoms, beliefs, and Deities. There
never were any actual snakes in Ireland, unless you consider the christians
themselves.

This is the same way that christians obtained all their original saints, by
just renaming all the original Pagan's Deities as they wiped out each
European regions' culture and ways in their destructive wake and
self-serving path across Europe. The same as they did in North America and
South America. They figured that making human sacrifices of all the
European Pagans to their christian god was somehow going against one of
their commandments, so christians found a way to stop having to kill all
Pagans by just renaming their Deities. The Pagans could then still worship
their Pagan Deities but only if they called them by their new christian
"saint" names. Otherwise they would still have to be made into human
sacrifices to appease their beliefs in a christian god.

Human-sacrifice is quite popular with christians. Just like all the Pagans
that were found buried around Stonehenge. The cuts found in the bones of
the shallow Pagans' graves all around Stonehenge are now revealed through
modern forensics that they could only have been made by christians' swords
at the time. One of the interesting stories of a PBS series called "Secrets
of the Dead". Uncovering the real truths behind all the christian-written
false history we were all taught in schools. E.g. Syphilis did NOT come
from Native Americans and brought back to Europe, as has been mistakenly
parroted all these years. Forensics and genetic tracking now proves it
originated from a small christian monastery in Europe (is anyone surprised
by this?). Syphilis was then brought to North American by christian
missionary hypocrites who used Native American women as their sex-slaves.

In message , Die Wahrheit
writes
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:56:06 +0000, Chris H wrote:

In message , Die Wahrheit
writes
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:08:51 +0000, Chris H wrote:

In message , Ray Fischer
writes
Frank ess wrote:
A reminder of what we truly /must/ give thanks for:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2667/...40c66de2_o.jpg

War Veterans Memorial, Mt Soledad, LaJolla, California

Wrong.

Thankgiving is not a "christian" holiday and it is not a patriotic
holiday. It has nothing to do with war (that's Memorial Day) and it
has nothing to do with the cross (that's Easter). It's a day for
giving thanks.

The cross I though was a generic Christian symbol and not just for
Easter?

As you say it is not about "war" though I thought (btw I am not
American so this is a genuine request for information) that it was
thanks giving for landing in the Americas safely and making the
crossing?

It would be "Christian" as most/all? of them were some what zealous in
their Christian beliefs hence leaving Europe. I am not sure that
originally it was "patriotic" as there was no country as such to be
patriotic about? Didn't that come later?

The origin of "Thanks-Giving" is a First-Nations' (Native American) custom
that was originally called, when correctly translated, "Thanks for Giving".
It has absolutely NOTHING to do with a European's adopted (forced on)
middle-east deity.

Thanks for the clarification... Not like the Christians to steal some
one else's festival. Now I must put the Christmas decorations up :-)))


I call them Yule Decorations,

Quite so!

and only decorate a living tree outside. With
strings of food and ornaments symbolic of nature's forces, to pay homage to
all life (not death, as christians worship their symbols of death). The
same way it used to be done before christians cut down all the Yule Trees
and hid them in their homes to give them the custom they have today.
There's a reason their holiday is on the 25th and Yule was on the Winter
Solstice. It took them that long to discover all the decorated and living
Pagan Yule Trees, to destroy them, then hide these non-burnable trees in
their homes (the only way they could hide their vandalism) and then make up
a story to tell their children and neighbors. To explain this insane
behavior of theirs of putting a live decorated tree in the middle of their
house in the dead of winter. There's a reason too that some European
cultures still practice hanging a Yule Tree upside-down in their homes in
winter. It was a way for christians to keep them out of the way and drying
until they could burn them. Symbolic too of hanging all Pagans.

Interesting... Most don't realise the "Christmas tree" is a pagan thing
that only really came to prominence about 150 years ago when Albert
brought it to the UK for Victoria... Then it spread round the British
Empire which ate time covered a large part of the world. Otherwise most
of the world would not have "Christmas" Trees now.

As recorded by Charlemagne, "And they cut down the mighty Pagan Tree, and
up sprang the birth of our christ."

It was to give thanks to those that shared what they had
with you, and thanks to the earth for it sharing what it provided.

Unfortunately, just like all original holidays and customs, this holiday
too has been stolen, twisted, *******ized, and manipulated into some
psychotic-christian war-mongering crap for their own self-serving means.

And unfortunately the winners get to rewrite history...

The good news is the Irish government has finally woken up and is going
to sort out the Catholic Church over its long history of child abuse.
At last we should see a lot of them end up in jail in 2010.

While you're at it, ask them about ...

The custom of drinking for st. patrick's day. How it goes all the way back
to when christians wiped out the original Irish Pagan beliefs in the Pagan
Deity of Trefuilnid Treochar (whose symbol of power was the shamrock, now
stolen for use by the christians' imaginary st. patrick).

Didn't realise St Patrick was not real... or at least it wasn't not
based on a real person. They tended to base them on something real even
if most was make believe.


Today's Irish
drinking custom stems from trying to forget the loss of their culture and
drowning their sorrows.

Not sure about that but I will drink to it :-)

Trefuilnid Treochar was just renamed into st.
patrick so christians wouldn't have to put them to death for worshipping
their Pagan Gods.

There is a lot of that in Christianity...

The allegory of "driving the 'snakes' out of Ireland" is
just the christian-invented myth of how they ridded all of Ireland of their
original Irish customs, knowledge, wisdoms, beliefs, and Deities. There
never were any actual snakes in Ireland, unless you consider the christians
themselves.

Well the new Irish Government report on the priests abusing children
might agree with you.

This is the same way that christians obtained all their original saints, by
just renaming all the original Pagan's Deities as they wiped out each
European regions' culture and ways in their destructive wake and
self-serving path across Europe.

Also building most of their churches on old Pagan sites.

The same as they did in North America and
South America. They figured that making human sacrifices of all the
European Pagans to their christian god was somehow going against one of
their commandments, so christians found a way to stop having to kill all
Pagans by just renaming their Deities. The Pagans could then still worship
their Pagan Deities but only if they called them by their new christian
"saint" names. Otherwise they would still have to be made into human
sacrifices to appease their beliefs in a christian god.


Which explains some of the "odd" Christian rituals in some parts of the
world.

Human-sacrifice is quite popular with christians. Just like all the Pagans
that were found buried around Stonehenge. The cuts found in the bones of
the shallow Pagans' graves all around Stonehenge are now revealed through
modern forensics that they could only have been made by christians' swords
at the time.

Not sure about that... the Christians were not the only people with
swords.

One of the interesting stories of a PBS series called "Secrets
of the Dead". Uncovering the real truths behind all the christian-written
false history we were all taught in schools.

I know. The winners get to re-write history....

E.g. Syphilis did NOT come
from Native Americans and brought back to Europe, as has been mistakenly
parroted all these years. Forensics and genetic tracking now proves it
originated from a small christian monastery in Europe (is anyone surprised
by this?). Syphilis was then brought to North American by christian
missionary hypocrites who used Native American women as their sex-slaves.

Not surprised but do you have any evidence for this?

--
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\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
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