Adobe goes into back-peddling panic mode

RichA wrote:
Whatsamatter? The pseudo-Marxist plot to turn America into a rental
economy for services from an ownership economy not going down so well?

I guess IBM was pseudo-marxist in the sixties.

BugBear

In article
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RichA wrote:

Microsoft is also jumping on this bandwagon with "Microsoft-branded
Services" in-place of owned programs.

lots of companies are and expect more in the future.

You'll be happily using your Adobe PS and up will pop an ad.

no.

On 06/06/2013 02:53, RichA wrote:
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Microsoft is also jumping on this bandwagon with "Microsoft-branded
Services" in-place of owned programs.
You'll be happily using your Adobe PS and up will pop an ad.

Just like watching commercial TV (and these days, sadly, BBC TV as well).
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On 6/7/2013 4:54 AM, RichA wrote:
On Jun 6, 7:42 am, David Taylor david-
wrote:
On 06/06/2013 02:53, RichA wrote:
[]

Microsoft is also jumping on this bandwagon with "Microsoft-branded
Services" in-place of owned programs.
You'll be happily using your Adobe PS and up will pop an ad.

Just like watching commercial TV (and these days, sadly, BBC TV as well).
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Cheers,
David
Web:http://www.satsignal.eu

Explains why the U.S. economy's value has increase by 400% over the
past 20 years yet the average person is no better off.


And just how is the Canadian economic situation any different.
Please explain your point.

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PeterN

In article , nospam
wrote:

In article
,
RichA wrote:

Microsoft is also jumping on this bandwagon with "Microsoft-branded
Services" in-place of owned programs.

lots of companies are and expect more in the future.

You'll be happily using your Adobe PS and up will pop an ad.

no.

This is nothing new, just more signs of the MBAs taking over from the
programmers and marketing people. Selling an indefinite license gives
you big spikes in the revenue stream, and accountants HATE that. They
want a nice, smooth flow of money, like the electric utility.

Twenty years ago, my sales manager (at ComputerLand, of all places) was
trying to get me away from the big deals: "I don't want a
million-dollar PO; I want a customer who'll spend $100,000 EVERY MONTH.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

MBAs, and other management people who may not have this advanced
degree, *should* take over the function of "programmers" in business
decisions if those people are involved on the business side of the
organization. A programmer is a person who designs a computer program
to facilitate what other people decide needs to be accomplished.
Programmers do not originate the idea; they work to assigned tasks.

wrong. so very wrong. programmers often originate the ideas (and
implement them) and then other people decide what to do with those
ideas.

They may say "We can add this feature", but - in that role - they are
just expanding the task given to them.

nope, they often come up with most or all of the product, and then
others decide if it's worth publishing and in what form.

these days, an indie developer does it all.

A programmer need not - and usually doesn't - have any idea of the
function or objectives of the business. Tell a programmer that
something is needed to keep track of inventory, and he'll do it. He
doesn't need to know what the inventory does, who it is sold to, or
anything about the nature of the business other than the specifics of
what he's assigned to keep track of.

you don't understand software development.

On 6/7/2013 1:44 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

MBAs, and other management people who may not have this advanced
degree, *should* take over the function of "programmers" in business
decisions if those people are involved on the business side of the
organization. A programmer is a person who designs a computer program
to facilitate what other people decide needs to be accomplished.
Programmers do not originate the idea; they work to assigned tasks.

wrong. so very wrong. programmers often originate the ideas (and
implement them) and then other people decide what to do with those
ideas.

They may say "We can add this feature", but - in that role - they are
just expanding the task given to them.

nope, they often come up with most or all of the product, and then
others decide if it's worth publishing and in what form.

these days, an indie developer does it all.

A programmer need not - and usually doesn't - have any idea of the
function or objectives of the business. Tell a programmer that
something is needed to keep track of inventory, and he'll do it. He
doesn't need to know what the inventory does, who it is sold to, or
anything about the nature of the business other than the specifics of
what he's assigned to keep track of.

you don't understand software development.

Here's how it works, at least in custom designed software.
(simplified so you can understand it.)
Management makes a decision on what its needs are.
The business analyst creates a programming flow on how, if feasible to
implement, may even have to convince management to revise its requirements.
Programmers write the code for the implementation;
Business analyst tests the code,


BTW business analysts paid a lot more than programmers.



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PeterN

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

"Programmer" is a job title. A person who develops software is not
going to have that job title.

someone who develops software is a programmer. just what do you think
they do, if not write programs?

the exact title means nothing. many programmers have creative titles,
rather than 'senior programmer' or something equally boring.

you're talking out your ass, again.

Many people have programming ability,
including some MBAs, but programmers are the mechanics of the field.

long ago maybe, but certainly not now.

you're wrong.

In article , PeterN
wrote:

Here's how it works, at least in custom designed software.
(simplified so you can understand it.)
Management makes a decision on what its needs are.
The business analyst creates a programming flow on how, if feasible to
implement, may even have to convince management to revise its requirements.
Programmers write the code for the implementation;
Business analyst tests the code,

there are companies who write to spec, but that's the minority of
programming.

typically, *both* programmers and management come up with ideas.
management generally wants the impossible and programmers bring it back
to reality. in no case does a business analyst, who hasn't a clue about
programming, come up with anything related to programming or
feasibility because it's not part of their skill set.

furthermore, business analysts do not test anything. that's sqa and
beta testers, who then submit bug reports back to the programmers who
then fix the bugs and release a new build to be tested.

other times, programmers themselves come up with the ideas and pitch
them to the higher-ups. for instance, google employees spend a portion
of their time working on any pet project they want. some of those pet
projects become real products, including gmail and google+ (originally
wave). those weren't ideas that management came up with. they were
ideas that programmers came up with.

BTW business analysts paid a lot more than programmers.

no they definitely aren't. programmers can easily make quite a bit more
than any analyst and many times they can write their own ticket.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

If a person's job title is "programmer", he does programming.

no kidding.

If he does more than that, his job title will reflect that.

maybe. not always.

Job titles,
like salary, are important to people.

maybe titles once did, but not anymore. what matters more is what the
job actually is and how it's changing the world. now, people get
creative with job titles rather than use old stodgy boring ones.

http://www.canada.com/When+title+just+title/6314032/story.html
"We're definitely seeing it at all levels, across a wide range of
industries," he says. "Tech companies have been showing innovation in
their business titles for a while now, but we're also seeing it a lot
in jobs ranging from cleaning services to transportation to plumbing.
Titles like 'executive' or 'manager' don't have as much meaning in
some people's minds nowadays."

As immortalized in the movie The Social Network, Facebook founder
Mark Zuckerberg once ordered business cards reading: "I'm CEO,
bitch." Job titles at branding consultancy I-Am Associates include
Success Catalyst, Daydream Believer and Stone TurnerOverer.

Your comment that titles mean
nothing exposes you're complete lack of understanding human nature and
the business world. A company can often get away with denying a raise
in salary just by giving the person a more important sounding title.

not if they want to keep their talent, they don't.