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The lens that no one covered during Photokina (Tokina 17-35mm f/4 FX)
On 2010-10-12 16:08:28 -0700, Bruce said:
From photorumors.com: http://preview.tinyurl.com/3yjswvn or: http://photorumors.com/2010/10/08/th...5mm-f4-pro-fx/ QUOTE: The lens that no one covered during Photokina: Tokina AT-X 17-35mm f/4 PRO FX Besides a picture on dpreview and a two sentence coverage on dc.watch, there is no further information on the Tokina AT-X 17-35mm f/4 PRO FX lens prototype that was shown at Photokina two weeks ago. A reader emailed me that this lens will take 77mm filters and is rather compact in size, similar to the Tokina 12-24mm f/4 DX version. Tokina already announced a AT-X 16-28mm PRO FX lens few months ago (for now available only on eBay). END QUOTE I am very happy with both the build & IQ with my Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX. The AT-X 16-28mm f/2.8 PRO FX seems to be the FF equivalent of the 11-16 DX. I think the interesting thing that Tokina has done, has been for the most part to restrain the zoom range of their lenses. Given that philosophy, a FF 17-35mm f/4 makes a lot of sense to pair it with their 12-24mm f/4 DX. So that gives them a DX and FX pair of lenses covering similar FL equivalents and offering the same f/2.8 & f/4 glass. It seems they are building a FF range of useful quality lenses which should be a bargain when compared to the Nikon/Canon/Leica/Zeiss glass. My only issue with Tokina is the time they take to get the lenses to the vendors. There were shortages of the 11-16mm for months. None of the vendors are even listing release dates for the FF lenses. So we shall have to wait and see if they have anything on the shelves by the time I would be able to find a good refurbished D700 next year. ....and then there will be the review circus. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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The lens that no one covered during Photokina (Tokina 17-35mm f/4 FX)
On 2010-10-12 16:43:55 -0700, Savageduck said:
On 2010-10-12 16:08:28 -0700, Bruce said: From photorumors.com: http://preview.tinyurl.com/3yjswvn or: http://photorumors.com/2010/10/08/th...5mm-f4-pro-fx/ QUOTE: The lens that no one covered during Photokina: Tokina AT-X 17-35mm f/4 PRO FX Besides a picture on dpreview and a two sentence coverage on dc.watch, there is no further information on the Tokina AT-X 17-35mm f/4 PRO FX lens prototype that was shown at Photokina two weeks ago. A reader emailed me that this lens will take 77mm filters and is rather compact in size, similar to the Tokina 12-24mm f/4 DX version. Tokina already announced a AT-X 16-28mm PRO FX lens few months ago (for now available only on eBay). END QUOTE I am very happy with both the build & IQ with my Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX. The AT-X 16-28mm f/2.8 PRO FX seems to be the FF equivalent of the 11-16 DX. I think the interesting thing that Tokina has done, has been for the most part to restrain the zoom range of their lenses. Given that philosophy, a FF 17-35mm f/4 makes a lot of sense to pair it with their 12-24mm f/4 DX. So that gives them a DX and FX pair of lenses covering similar FL equivalents and offering the same f/2.8 & f/4 glass. It seems they are building a FF range of useful quality lenses which should be a bargain when compared to the Nikon/Canon/Leica/Zeiss glass. My only issue with Tokina is the time they take to get the lenses to the vendors. There were shortages of the 11-16mm for months. None of the vendors are even listing release dates for the FF lenses. So we shall have to wait and see if they have anything on the shelves by the time I would be able to find a good refurbished D700 next year. ...and then there will be the review circus. I just found this at Adorama, http://www.adorama.com/TN1628NKAF.html B&H has no Tokina FF lenses listed yet. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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The lens that no one covered during Photokina (Tokina 17-35mm f/4 FX)
Savageduck wrote in
news:2010101216435570933-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom: On 2010-10-12 16:08:28 -0700, Bruce said: From photorumors.com: http://preview.tinyurl.com/3yjswvn or: http://photorumors.com/2010/10/08/th...overed-during- photokina-tokina-at-x-17-35mm-f4-pro-fx/ QUOTE: The lens that no one covered during Photokina: Tokina AT-X 17-35mm f/4 PRO FX Besides a picture on dpreview and a two sentence coverage on dc.watch, there is no further information on the Tokina AT-X 17-35mm f/4 PRO FX lens prototype that was shown at Photokina two weeks ago. A reader emailed me that this lens will take 77mm filters and is rather compact in size, similar to the Tokina 12-24mm f/4 DX version. Tokina already announced a AT-X 16-28mm PRO FX lens few months ago (for now available only on eBay). END QUOTE I am very happy with both the build & IQ with my Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX. The AT-X 16-28mm f/2.8 PRO FX seems to be the FF equivalent of the 11-16 DX. I think the interesting thing that Tokina has done, has been for the most part to restrain the zoom range of their lenses. Given that philosophy, a FF 17-35mm f/4 makes a lot of sense to pair it with their 12-24mm f/4 DX. So that gives them a DX and FX pair of lenses covering similar FL equivalents and offering the same f/2.8 & f/4 glass. It seems they are building a FF range of useful quality lenses which should be a bargain when compared to the Nikon/Canon/Leica/Zeiss glass. My only issue with Tokina is the time they take to get the lenses to the vendors. There were shortages of the 11-16mm for months. None of the vendors are even listing release dates for the FF lenses. So we shall have to wait and see if they have anything on the shelves by the time I would be able to find a good refurbished D700 next year. ...and then there will be the review circus. As long as the lens has impeccable quality, which it likely will. A 2x zoom range and relative slowness make this a very niche product. |
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The lens that no one covered during Photokina (Tokina 17-35mm f/4 FX)
On 2010-10-12 20:01:36 -0700, RichA said:
Savageduck wrote in news:2010101216435570933-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom: On 2010-10-12 16:08:28 -0700, Bruce said: From photorumors.com: http://preview.tinyurl.com/3yjswvn or: http://photorumors.com/2010/10/08/th...overed-during- photokina-tokina-at-x-17-35mm-f4-pro-fx/ QUOTE: The lens that no one covered during Photokina: Tokina AT-X 17-35mm f/4 PRO FX Besides a picture on dpreview and a two sentence coverage on dc.watch, there is no further information on the Tokina AT-X 17-35mm f/4 PRO FX lens prototype that was shown at Photokina two weeks ago. A reader emailed me that this lens will take 77mm filters and is rather compact in size, similar to the Tokina 12-24mm f/4 DX version. Tokina already announced a AT-X 16-28mm PRO FX lens few months ago (for now available only on eBay). END QUOTE I am very happy with both the build & IQ with my Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX. The AT-X 16-28mm f/2.8 PRO FX seems to be the FF equivalent of the 11-16 DX. I think the interesting thing that Tokina has done, has been for the most part to restrain the zoom range of their lenses. Given that philosophy, a FF 17-35mm f/4 makes a lot of sense to pair it with their 12-24mm f/4 DX. So that gives them a DX and FX pair of lenses covering similar FL equivalents and offering the same f/2.8 & f/4 glass. It seems they are building a FF range of useful quality lenses which should be a bargain when compared to the Nikon/Canon/Leica/Zeiss glass. My only issue with Tokina is the time they take to get the lenses to the vendors. There were shortages of the 11-16mm for months. None of the vendors are even listing release dates for the FF lenses. So we shall have to wait and see if they have anything on the shelves by the time I would be able to find a good refurbished D700 next year. ...and then there will be the review circus. As long as the lens has impeccable quality, which it likely will. A 2x zoom range and relative slowness make this a very niche product. Then I guess you don't hold out much hope for primes, and any of those new fangled cameras with zero zoom range finding a niche. Unless the market for those niche products is widened. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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The lens that no one covered during Photokina (Tokina 17-35mmf/4 FX)
On 13/10/2010 4:01 p.m., RichA wrote:
wrote in news:2010101216435570933-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom: On 2010-10-12 16:08:28 -0700, said: From photorumors.com: http://preview.tinyurl.com/3yjswvn or: http://photorumors.com/2010/10/08/th...overed-during- photokina-tokina-at-x-17-35mm-f4-pro-fx/ QUOTE: The lens that no one covered during Photokina: Tokina AT-X 17-35mm f/4 PRO FX Besides a picture on dpreview and a two sentence coverage on dc.watch, there is no further information on the Tokina AT-X 17-35mm f/4 PRO FX lens prototype that was shown at Photokina two weeks ago. A reader emailed me that this lens will take 77mm filters and is rather compact in size, similar to the Tokina 12-24mm f/4 DX version. Tokina already announced a AT-X 16-28mm PRO FX lens few months ago (for now available only on eBay). END QUOTE I am very happy with both the build& IQ with my Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX. The AT-X 16-28mm f/2.8 PRO FX seems to be the FF equivalent of the 11-16 DX. I think the interesting thing that Tokina has done, has been for the most part to restrain the zoom range of their lenses. Given that philosophy, a FF 17-35mm f/4 makes a lot of sense to pair it with their 12-24mm f/4 DX. So that gives them a DX and FX pair of lenses covering similar FL equivalents and offering the same f/2.8& f/4 glass. It seems they are building a FF range of useful quality lenses which should be a bargain when compared to the Nikon/Canon/Leica/Zeiss glass. My only issue with Tokina is the time they take to get the lenses to the vendors. There were shortages of the 11-16mm for months. None of the vendors are even listing release dates for the FF lenses. So we shall have to wait and see if they have anything on the shelves by the time I would be able to find a good refurbished D700 next year. ...and then there will be the review circus. As long as the lens has impeccable quality, which it likely will. A 2x zoom range and relative slowness make this a very niche product. W/a Tokina lenses tend to have a lot of lateral CA. Not a problem on cameras with auto CA correction or if you can deal with it in PP. There's nothing particularly niche about the zoom range/speed, Nikon have 16-35, Canon 17-40 f4 zooms, both pretty popular. The Canon 17-40l lenses I've used haven't been great, one very soft on one side at 40mm, both soft in the corners at the 17mm end, even well stopped down. The Nikkor I haven't used, but the price is high, it's not small, has a lot of distortion, and it's got VR which I'd probably never use at that focal length range. So IMO there should be a good market for the Tokina lens. |
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The lens that no one covered during Photokina (Tokina 17-35mm f/4 FX)
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My only issue with Tokina is the time they take to get the lenses to the vendors. There were shortages of the 11-16mm for months. None of the vendors are even listing release dates for the FF lenses. So we shall have to wait and see if they have anything on the shelves by the time I would be able to find a good refurbished D700 next year. ...and then there will be the review circus. -- Regards, Savageduck My issue with Tokina is the lack of focus motor to support the non-pro Nikon DSLRs. Instead of the 11-16mm Tokina, I ended up getting the Tamron 10-24mm, and the image quality is good enough for me. It's light and compact, and has that extra zoom range over the Tokina. I did have the Tokina on the camera, and it's a nice lens, and bright as well. Cheers, David |
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The lens that no one covered during Photokina (Tokina 17-35mm f/4 FX)
On 2010-10-13 00:29:06 -0700, "David J Taylor"
said: [] My only issue with Tokina is the time they take to get the lenses to the vendors. There were shortages of the 11-16mm for months. None of the vendors are even listing release dates for the FF lenses. So we shall have to wait and see if they have anything on the shelves by the time I would be able to find a good refurbished D700 next year. ...and then there will be the review circus. -- Regards, Savageduck My issue with Tokina is the lack of focus motor to support the non-pro Nikon DSLRs. Instead of the 11-16mm Tokina, I ended up getting the Tamron 10-24mm, and the image quality is good enough for me. It's light and compact, and has that extra zoom range over the Tokina. I did have the Tokina on the camera, and it's a nice lens, and bright as well. Cheers, David It seems Tokina is getting around to solving that problem. The new AF 12-24mm f/4 PRO DX II & AT-X 16-28 f/2.8 PRO FX have an AF motor specifically to deal with neutered Nikons such as the D60 & D40. They are also updating, and allegedly improving coatings. So I think they have been listening, and some of what they are bringing to the table addresses your issue. I also believe they know their lenses need to be considered as a reasonable alternative choice for upgrade with entry level & consumer level DSLR's, and they will lose a big piece of the market if they do not make the changes. They already lost a sale to you. You will see DX II updated versions of some of their other APC lenses over the next 18 months. They are going to provide some good & interesting competition for the 3rd party lens providers. ....and perhaps Nikon & Canon. If they can get the damn lenses to the vendors. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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The lens that no one covered during Photokina (Tokina 17-35mm f/4 FX)
It seems Tokina is getting around to solving that problem. The new AF
12-24mm f/4 PRO DX II & AT-X 16-28 f/2.8 PRO FX have an AF motor specifically to deal with neutered Nikons such as the D60 & D40. They are also updating, and allegedly improving coatings. So I think they have been listening, and some of what they are bringing to the table addresses your issue. I also believe they know their lenses need to be considered as a reasonable alternative choice for upgrade with entry level & consumer level DSLR's, and they will lose a big piece of the market if they do not make the changes. They already lost a sale to you. You will see DX II updated versions of some of their other APC lenses over the next 18 months. Excellent news, although the Tamron having the extra wide angle of 10mm versus 11mm, and the extra zoom range of 10-24mm I don't think I'll be upgrading my lens any time soon. It seemed ridiculous to be going to the tele end of the zoom and realising that was 24mm focal length! I have enjoyed to wide-angle end as well, with some challenges to good composition, though. They are going to provide some good & interesting competition for the 3rd party lens providers. ...and perhaps Nikon & Canon. If they can get the damn lenses to the vendors. -- Regards, Savageduck Indeed - it used to be that third-party lenses were a poor substitute for manufacturer lenses, but Tokina, Tamron and others are proving that it's no longer the case. Cheers, David |
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The lens that no one covered during Photokina (Tokina 17-35mm f/4 FX)
On 2010-10-13 09:27:26 -0700, Rich said:
On Oct 12, 11:52*pm, Savageduck wrote: On 2010-10-12 20:01:36 -0700, RichA said: Savageduck wrote in news:2010101216435570933-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom: On 2010-10-12 16:08:28 -0700, Bruce said: From photorumors.com: http://preview.tinyurl.com/3yjswvn or: http://photorumors.com/2010/10/08/th...overed-during- photokina-tokina-at-x-17-35mm-f4-pro-fx/ QUOTE: The lens that no one covered during Photokina: Tokina AT-X 17-35mm f/4 PRO FX Besides a picture on dpreview and a two sentence coverage on dc.watch, there is no further information on the Tokina AT-X 17-35mm f/4 PRO FX lens prototype that was shown at Photokina two weeks ago. A reader emailed me that this lens will take 77mm filters and is rather compact in size, similar to the *Tokina 12-24mm f/4 DX version. Tokina already announced a AT-X 16-28mm PRO FX lens few months ago (for now available only on eBay). END QUOTE I am very happy with both the build & IQ with my Tokina AT-X 11-16 f/2.8 PRO DX. The AT-X 16-28mm f/2.8 PRO FX seems to be the FF equivalent of the 11-16 DX. I think the interesting thing that Tokina has done, has been for the most part to restrain the zoom range of their lenses. Given that philosophy, a FF 17-35mm f/4 makes a lot of sense to pair it with their 12-24mm f/4 DX. So that gives them a DX and FX pair of lenses covering similar FL equivalents and offering the same f/2.8 & f/4 glass. It seems they are building a FF range of useful quality lenses which should be a bargain when compared to the Nikon/Canon/Leica/Zeiss glass. My only issue with Tokina is the time they take to get the lenses to the vendors. There were shortages of the 11-16mm for months. None of the vendors are even listing release dates for the FF lenses. So we shall have to wait and see if they have anything on the shelves by the time I would be able to find a good refurbished D700 next year. ...and then there will be the review circus. As long as the lens has impeccable quality, which it likely will. *A 2x zoom range and relative slowness make this a very niche product. Then I guess you don't hold out much hope for primes, and any of those new fangled cameras with zero zoom range finding a niche. Unless the market for those niche products is widened. -- Regards, Savageduck Well, they can always rely on those people who just HAVE to have the latest lens, use it a few times, and fall back on what they use 90% of the time anyway. ....and that happens. It keeps the used lens market alive. Just ask Rita. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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