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"Neil Barker" wrote in message ... In article , says... More to the point, I evidently have nobody here that has a clue where to get (steal, borrow or purchse) them either. I can tell you exactly where you can PURCHASE them, but not where you can either steal or 'borrow' them. So why didn't you? (Just curious) Jim |
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On Apr 1, 3:33*pm, "jim" wrote:
"Neil Barker" wrote in message ... In article , says... More to the point, I evidently have nobody here that has a clue where to get (steal, borrow or purchse) them either. I can tell you exactly where you can PURCHASE them, but not where you can either steal or 'borrow' them. So why didn't you? (Just curious) Jim In my reply (http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...hy/browse_frm/ thread/210f102ab6f3c210/c591cce0d7bdcea8? hl=en&lnk=raot#c591cce0d7bdcea8) I identified some specific sources and general types of resources that potentially have the images you are looking for. Now, I thought my post was a help where you are so obviously floundering. However, I am beginning to get the impression of someone who is upset that nobody is doing their work for them. That may be unfair and probably is. Sometimes, when a person is in unfamiliar territory, especially one a vast as photography, you can get lost and the idea that there is someone who will rescue you is attractive. It's unlikely to happen, though, if, for no other reason, than what your asking for is vague. You have a poem that you want supported, enhanced, illustrated (or something) by an image. That poem has an emotional tone developed and presented through literary imagery. A visual image, to work in that situation, has to stand in a valid metaphorical (or at least analogical) relationship to the words. You are looking at combining a visual art with its own syntax, grammar and semantics to another art with a completely different syntax, grammar and semantics. Without the experience of the poem, noboby is going to be able to do more than recommend a genre and some potential sources for that genre to help you. That's as good as it is likely to get. Vance |
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"Vance" wrote in message ... On Apr 1, 3:33 pm, "jim" wrote: "Neil Barker" wrote in message ... In article , says... More to the point, I evidently have nobody here that has a clue where to get (steal, borrow or purchse) them either. I can tell you exactly where you can PURCHASE them, but not where you can either steal or 'borrow' them. So why didn't you? (Just curious) Jim In my reply (http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...hy/browse_frm/ thread/210f102ab6f3c210/c591cce0d7bdcea8? hl=en&lnk=raot#c591cce0d7bdcea8) I identified some specific sources and general types of resources that potentially have the images you are looking for. Now, I thought my post was a help where you are so obviously floundering. However, I am beginning to get the impression of someone who is upset that nobody is doing their work for them. That may be unfair and probably is. Sometimes, when a person is in unfamiliar territory, especially one a vast as photography, you can get lost and the idea that there is someone who will rescue you is attractive. It's unlikely to happen, though, if, for no other reason, than what your asking for is vague. You have a poem that you want supported, enhanced, illustrated (or something) by an image. That poem has an emotional tone developed and presented through literary imagery. A visual image, to work in that situation, has to stand in a valid metaphorical (or at least analogical) relationship to the words. You are looking at combining a visual art with its own syntax, grammar and semantics to another art with a completely different syntax, grammar and semantics. Without the experience of the poem, noboby is going to be able to do more than recommend a genre and some potential sources for that genre to help you. That's as good as it is likely to get. I must disagree somewhat. I have not been vague at all. I have plainly stated that need images of people helpeing people, people helping animals or just people caught doing a good deed. I'd like the photos to not be staged. The project doesn't require anything more than that. As far as being upset, perhaps I am. I really thought that finding something was as simple as asking "has anyone seen this" and others would reply with where (that's waht I do in other newsgroups). Instead, asking a simple question of where I can find a simple sort of photo has been about as fun and rewarding as bathing wild cats. Instead of offering information if one has it, I have been subjected to accusations of wanting others to do my work, wanting free photos, etc. - NONE of which I ever said in my original post. Would I take free photos? Only if they fit the project. Would I pay for the right photos? Gladly. At this point though, I think I will simply retire to the bath with a sack full of wild cats for a relaxing bath. jim |
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In message , jim
writes I must disagree somewhat. I have not been vague at all. You were somewhat. I have plainly stated that need images of people helpeing people, people helping animals or just people caught doing a good deed. I'd like the photos to not be staged. The project doesn't require anything more than that. Yes it does. You came across as wanting free photos for something you are publishing (implied, by omission, for money). You purely stated what YOU wanted. You did not explain the project and say you were prepared to collaborate with a photographer or pay for photos. So the whole thing started of with every one at cross purposes. A book of poetry and pictures is 50/50 poetry and picture. How would you feel is some one said "I need some {industrial] poems to put in a book of [industrial] pictures I am publishing. Instead of offering information if one has it, I have been subjected to accusations of wanting others to do my work, wanting free photos, etc. - NONE of which I ever said in my original post. It was implied by what you left out as much as what you said. Where there was information missing people assumed. Would I take free photos? Only if they fit the project. Would I pay for the right photos? Gladly. At this point though, I think I will simply retire to the bath with a sack full of wild cats for a relaxing bath. Don't go into publishing (I can say that as some one who is published for both photos and the written word) You will need a MUCH thicker skin than you appear to have. Stop and think. Then re-post in a new thread in a day or so explaining the PROJECT (not just what you need) and ask is anyone interested in helping with the pictures needed for it. They will of course be fully credited as the photographer etc. You will have to explain the commercial terms of the book you are producing. -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ /\/\/ www.phaedsys.org \/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ |
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"Chris H" wrote in message ... In message , jim writes I must disagree somewhat. I have not been vague at all. You were somewhat. HOW? Here is my original post. "I am seeking photos for a new project. I want all of the photos of people helping that I can get. The people can be helping people or animals. The "help" can be as simple as helping someone across the street or as dangerous as dragging a fellow soldier out of the line of fire. They can be of humans helping humans or humans helping animals. They can even be of people just doing a good deed. The essence of the picture should be that of a person giving of themselves to help others. It would seem that these photos abound...but I am having problems finding them. If you have seen such images would you please post links to them here. I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks! jim" I have plainly stated that need images of people helpeing people, people helping animals or just people caught doing a good deed. I'd like the photos to not be staged. The project doesn't require anything more than that. Yes it does. You came across as wanting free photos for something you are publishing (implied, by omission, for money). Please point out the word "free" in the original post. I was open to anything, hence no restrictions as to licensing were even mentioned in the OP. You purely stated what YOU wanted. Of course I did! What should I have done....assummed I knew what you (or "they") wanted and posted that? How the hell do I know what you want? And, since the gist of the post *was* to locate what *I* wanted, I felt it entirely appropriate to dwell on that subject matter. Odd as it may be, I prefer to address the topic at hand in the posts that I write. You did not explain the project and say you were prepared to collaborate with a photographer or pay for photos. So the whole thing started of with every one at cross purposes. That's because people read what they wanted to read and not what I typed. Here's where I screwed up.....I *assumed* that asking for help would elicit a logical response indicating where the needed photos would be found. I further *assumed* that the poster of said information would have, or point to, the requirements for the use of said photos. I guess I assumed common, basic logic. For that I solemnly apologize. A book of poetry and pictures is 50/50 poetry and picture. How would you feel is some one said "I need some {industrial] poems to put in a book of [industrial] pictures I am publishing. If I had knowledge of where to find the needed items, I would simply post a link - not go all schizoid assuming things not said and starting a useless flame war over a simple (but not simple enough for the posters here) request for images of people helping people. Instead of offering information if one has it, I have been subjected to accusations of wanting others to do my work, wanting free photos, etc. - NONE of which I ever said in my original post. It was implied by what you left out as much as what you said. Where there was information missing people assumed. I also did not state other irrelevant things - like what clothes (if any) I would be wearing while doing this project. Nor did I discuss my religious affilliations, views on poligamy, marital status, sexual preference or a whole host of other non-issues. If they are going to assume things not in evidence, why stop at imagining "free" was implied? Why not go ahead and imagine that I "implied via ommission" that am using the proceeds to try and free convicted child molesters and support the Knights of the Klu Klux Klan and that I have a secret death ray that I am using the proceeds to build and take over the world? When you (they) start arguing against arguments not presented, I guess that really opens a whole can of worms for the voices in their heads to play with, doesn't it? Would I take free photos? Only if they fit the project. Would I pay for the right photos? Gladly. At this point though, I think I will simply retire to the bath with a sack full of wild cats for a relaxing bath. Don't go into publishing (I can say that as some one who is published for both photos and the written word) You will need a MUCH thicker skin than you appear to have. My skin is plenty thick enough. What's lacking is my toplerance for stupidy. Stop and think. Then re-post in a new thread in a day or so explaining the PROJECT (not just what you need) and ask is anyone interested in helping with the pictures needed for it. They will of course be fully credited as the photographer etc. I have stated what I needed plainly. If they wish to sell or donate images to the project, so be it. If not, that's fine too. Time is too precious a thing to waste any more of it in this thread. You will have to explain the commercial terms of the book you are producing. Only to those with the images that I am requesting. Thanks for your views on this thread. jim |
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"Neil Barker" wrote in message ... In article , says... Would I pay for the right photos? Gladly. In which case you should have stated as much, as there have been oh too many idiots come to newsgroups like this in the past and expect things doing for them for free. You get some people who think that because digital photography largely removes the material/processing element, that photos should therefore be cheaper. That isn't the case. I NEVER asked for a single thing for free. jim |
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writes "Chris H" wrote in message ... In message , jim writes I must disagree somewhat. I have not been vague at all. You were somewhat. HOW? It has been explained to you by several people now accept that and move on or you will **** off everyone and get no help at all. DONT BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS I have plainly stated that need images of people helpeing people, people helping animals or just people caught doing a good deed. I'd like the photos to not be staged. The project doesn't require anything more than that. Yes it does. You came across as wanting free photos for something you are publishing (implied, by omission, for money). Please point out the word "free" in the original post. I was open to anything, hence no restrictions as to licensing were even mentioned in the OP. As I and everyone else has said it was implied by omission. You purely stated what YOU wanted. Of course I did! What should I have done....assummed I knew what you (or "they") wanted and posted that? How the hell do I know what you want? And, since the gist of the post *was* to locate what *I* wanted, I felt it entirely appropriate to dwell on that subject matter. Odd as it may be, I prefer to address the topic at hand in the posts that I write. I give up! You cant give people helpful advice without them having a go back. Jim you are going the right way to get no help from anyone and being kill filed. CALM DOWN and read the advice you have been given. You did not explain the project and say you were prepared to collaborate with a photographer or pay for photos. So the whole thing started of with every one at cross purposes. That's because people read what they wanted to read and not what I typed. Of course. However you were not clear in what you wanted or why so people filled in the blanks for themselves. Here's where I screwed up.....I *assumed* Yes... In a place where the gaps you left people assumes something different. that asking for help would elicit a logical response indicating where the needed photos would be found. I further *assumed* that the poster of said information would have, or point to, the requirements for the use of said photos. I guess I assumed common, basic logic. For that I solemnly apologize. Absolutely not. You assumed using YOUR logic in a place where a different logic prevails. You did not ask using the logic, assumptions and manners of THIS NG. When people have helpfully pointed this out to you to be helpful you have bitten the hand that is trying to help you. Yes, you should apologise. And sincerely. A book of poetry and pictures is 50/50 poetry and picture. How would you feel is some one said "I need some {industrial] poems to put in a book of [industrial] pictures I am publishing. If I had knowledge of where to find the needed items, I would simply post a link - not go all schizoid assuming things not said and starting a useless flame war over a simple (but not simple enough for the posters here) request for images of people helping people. Well you have stated a flame war yourself. Some people responded abruptly but those of us who have tried to help have also been bitten. You need to apologise to all who have been trying to help. (And next time post under a different name) Instead of offering information if one has it, I have been subjected to accusations of wanting others to do my work, wanting free photos, etc. - NONE of which I ever said in my original post. It was implied by what you left out as much as what you said. Where there was information missing people assumed. I also did not state other irrelevant things - It was not irrelevant things. If they are going to assume things not in evidence, why stop at imagining "free" was implied? Why not go ahead and imagine that I "implied via ommission" that am using the proceeds to try and free convicted child molesters and support the Knights of the Klu Klux Klan and that I have a secret death ray that I am using the proceeds to build and take over the world? When you (they) start arguing against arguments not presented, I guess that really opens a whole can of worms for the voices in their heads to play with, doesn't it? What UTTER CRAP. You should learnt eh rules of polite conversation for this NG before you jump in and start a flame war with your attitude. It is you who looses in the end. Don't go into publishing (I can say that as some one who is published for both photos and the written word) You will need a MUCH thicker skin than you appear to have. My skin is plenty thick enough. What's lacking is my toplerance for stupidy. Plonk! You loose You came here for help, ****ed everyone off, some explained the correct protocol for asking for what you wanted and you flamed them. Now that is arrogance and stupidity. -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ /\/\/ www.phaedsys.org \/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ |
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writes "Neil Barker" wrote in message ... In article , says... "Neil Barker" wrote in message ... In article , says... Would I pay for the right photos? Gladly. In which case you should have stated as much, as there have been oh too many idiots come to newsgroups like this in the past and expect things doing for them for free. You get some people who think that because digital photography largely removes the material/processing element, that photos should therefore be cheaper. That isn't the case. I NEVER asked for a single thing for free. And you never offered to pay, either. PAY FOR WHAT!? You did not offer to pay for any suitable photos people had. The implication was you wanted Free photos. That is the way everyone seems to have read you post. You don't seem to have realised that what you thought you wrote or implied and what the rest of the world read were two different things. You can't blame the rest of the world for being wrong and you are the only one who is right. YOU STILL HAVEN'T PRODUCED A DAMNED THING! No one is likely to with your attitude. You should have read the replies you got and thought about what they were saying instead of biting the hand(s) that feed. You are completely in the wrong and "rude" for this NG. Yet you complain you are right and everyone else is wrong. Then you wonder why you got no photos. Re-post in a few days and discuss a collaboration with a photographer and what the set up it for the PROJECT is a whole. Otherwise post your words here and I will put them in my photographic book I am doing. -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ /\/\/ www.phaedsys.org \/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ |
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jim wrote:
I am seeking photos for a new project. I want all of the photos of people helping that I can get. The people can be helping people or animals. The "help" can be as simple as helping someone across the street or as dangerous as dragging a fellow soldier out of the line of fire. They can be of humans helping humans or humans helping animals. They can even be of people just doing a good deed. The essence of the picture should be that of a person giving of themselves to help others. It would seem that these photos abound...but I am having problems finding them. If you have seen such images would you please post links to them here. I would greatly appreciate it. http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=good+deed http://www.flickr.com/photos/49422777@N00/1800320257/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulforsdick/1472601961/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/kendikristine/1175176033/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/tyallison/1357561665/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/jkonig/736221051/ http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=helping http://www.flickr.com/photos/thebugmaster/2054027550/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/beija-flor/313433075/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/beija-flor/697636432/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/beija-f...n/photostream/ |
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