Why the Nikon F6?

In article , Scott Chapin wrote:
Actually it's good to know that film is still solid. So many are blindly
bashing it in other forums. I had just figured that there wouldn't be a
strong market for expensive 35mm still cameras, though I don't know what the
street price of the F6 will be.

We get CSI as reruns here in Israel and last night we had a New Year's
treat of 4 in a row. Since the F6 had just been announced I payed close
attention to the cameras they used.

Until someone invents a digital camera that cannot be tampered with (i.e.
the images edited) film cameras will stay in the police and forensics
business.

In every case escept one they took a photo it was with some sort of high
end film camera using a pentaprism view finder. The one case they did not
the "criminalist" pulled out a large "Camedia" camera that produced a polaroid
print, I expect that was "poetic license".

Unfortunately all they need is C-41 film and 1 hour labs, so while high end
film cameras will still be needed for a while, it does not say good things
for monochromatic film, paper and chemicals. :-(

I also expect that the real market for the F6 is pros who are buying D2x
cameras. Having the same look and feel, lens mount, and accessories
for both film and digital will be a big boost for them. I think it would
have been nice (but confusing) to name it the F2x as in film, model 2x
to compliment the D2x (digital model 2x).

Geoff.

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Geoffrey S. Mendelson choreographed a chorus line of high-kicking
electrons to spell out:

In article , Scott Chapin wrote:
Actually it's good to know that film is still solid. So many are
blindly bashing it in other forums. I had just figured that there
wouldn't be a strong market for expensive 35mm still cameras, though
I don't know what the street price of the F6 will be.

We get CSI as reruns here in Israel and last night we had a New Year's
treat of 4 in a row. Since the F6 had just been announced I payed
close attention to the cameras they used.

Until someone invents a digital camera that cannot be tampered with
(i.e. the images edited) film cameras will stay in the police and
forensics business.

In every case escept one they took a photo it was with some sort of
high end film camera using a pentaprism view finder. The one case they
did not the "criminalist" pulled out a large "Camedia" camera that
produced a polaroid print, I expect that was "poetic license".

For the sake of reference: Olympus really did produce the Camedia
C-211, which had a Polaroid 500 printer built into the bottom of it.
That might have been what you saw... as I recall it sold to the business
and forensic types and everyone else pretty much ignored it due to its
enormousness.

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Geoffrey S. Mendelson choreographed a chorus line of high-kicking
electrons to spell out:

In article , Scott Chapin wrote:
Actually it's good to know that film is still solid. So many are
blindly bashing it in other forums. I had just figured that there
wouldn't be a strong market for expensive 35mm still cameras, though
I don't know what the street price of the F6 will be.

We get CSI as reruns here in Israel and last night we had a New Year's
treat of 4 in a row. Since the F6 had just been announced I payed
close attention to the cameras they used.

Until someone invents a digital camera that cannot be tampered with
(i.e. the images edited) film cameras will stay in the police and
forensics business.

In every case escept one they took a photo it was with some sort of
high end film camera using a pentaprism view finder. The one case they
did not the "criminalist" pulled out a large "Camedia" camera that
produced a polaroid print, I expect that was "poetic license".

For the sake of reference: Olympus really did produce the Camedia
C-211, which had a Polaroid 500 printer built into the bottom of it.
That might have been what you saw... as I recall it sold to the business
and forensic types and everyone else pretty much ignored it due to its
enormousness.

--
______________A L L D O N E ! B Y E B Y E !_________________
| __ "The Internet is where lunatics are
| (__ * _ _ _ _ internetworked worldwide at the speed of light.
| __)|| | |(_)| \ *This* is progress?" --J. Shinal

Geoffrey S. Mendelson choreographed a chorus line of high-kicking
electrons to spell out:

In article , Scott Chapin wrote:
Actually it's good to know that film is still solid. So many are
blindly bashing it in other forums. I had just figured that there
wouldn't be a strong market for expensive 35mm still cameras, though
I don't know what the street price of the F6 will be.

We get CSI as reruns here in Israel and last night we had a New Year's
treat of 4 in a row. Since the F6 had just been announced I payed
close attention to the cameras they used.

Until someone invents a digital camera that cannot be tampered with
(i.e. the images edited) film cameras will stay in the police and
forensics business.

In every case escept one they took a photo it was with some sort of
high end film camera using a pentaprism view finder. The one case they
did not the "criminalist" pulled out a large "Camedia" camera that
produced a polaroid print, I expect that was "poetic license".

For the sake of reference: Olympus really did produce the Camedia
C-211, which had a Polaroid 500 printer built into the bottom of it.
That might have been what you saw... as I recall it sold to the business
and forensic types and everyone else pretty much ignored it due to its
enormousness.

--
______________A L L D O N E ! B Y E B Y E !_________________
| __ "The Internet is where lunatics are
| (__ * _ _ _ _ internetworked worldwide at the speed of light.
| __)|| | |(_)| \ *This* is progress?" --J. Shinal

"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message
...
In article , Scott Chapin wrote:
Actually it's good to know that film is still solid. So many are blindly
bashing it in other forums. I had just figured that there wouldn't be a
strong market for expensive 35mm still cameras, though I don't know what
the
street price of the F6 will be.

We get CSI as reruns here in Israel and last night we had a New Year's
treat of 4 in a row. Since the F6 had just been announced I payed close
attention to the cameras they used.

Until someone invents a digital camera that cannot be tampered with (i.e.
the images edited) film cameras will stay in the police and forensics
business.

In every case escept one they took a photo it was with some sort of high
end film camera using a pentaprism view finder. The one case they did not
the "criminalist" pulled out a large "Camedia" camera that produced a
polaroid
print, I expect that was "poetic license".

Unfortunately all they need is C-41 film and 1 hour labs, so while high
end
film cameras will still be needed for a while, it does not say good things
for monochromatic film, paper and chemicals. :-(

I also expect that the real market for the F6 is pros who are buying D2x
cameras. Having the same look and feel, lens mount, and accessories
for both film and digital will be a big boost for them. I think it would
have been nice (but confusing) to name it the F2x as in film, model 2x
to compliment the D2x (digital model 2x).

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, C.T.O. GW&T Ltd., Jerusalem Israel

IL Voice: 972-544-608-069 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice:
1-215-821-1838


Wow, great post. Glad I asked. Not having a seriously devious mind, I'd have
not thought of that angle.

Scott

"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message
...
In article , Scott Chapin wrote:
Actually it's good to know that film is still solid. So many are blindly
bashing it in other forums. I had just figured that there wouldn't be a
strong market for expensive 35mm still cameras, though I don't know what
the
street price of the F6 will be.

We get CSI as reruns here in Israel and last night we had a New Year's
treat of 4 in a row. Since the F6 had just been announced I payed close
attention to the cameras they used.

Until someone invents a digital camera that cannot be tampered with (i.e.
the images edited) film cameras will stay in the police and forensics
business.

In every case escept one they took a photo it was with some sort of high
end film camera using a pentaprism view finder. The one case they did not
the "criminalist" pulled out a large "Camedia" camera that produced a
polaroid
print, I expect that was "poetic license".

Unfortunately all they need is C-41 film and 1 hour labs, so while high
end
film cameras will still be needed for a while, it does not say good things
for monochromatic film, paper and chemicals. :-(

I also expect that the real market for the F6 is pros who are buying D2x
cameras. Having the same look and feel, lens mount, and accessories
for both film and digital will be a big boost for them. I think it would
have been nice (but confusing) to name it the F2x as in film, model 2x
to compliment the D2x (digital model 2x).

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, C.T.O. GW&T Ltd., Jerusalem Israel

IL Voice: 972-544-608-069 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice:
1-215-821-1838


Wow, great post. Glad I asked. Not having a seriously devious mind, I'd have
not thought of that angle.

Scott

"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message
...
In article , Scott Chapin wrote:
Actually it's good to know that film is still solid. So many are blindly
bashing it in other forums. I had just figured that there wouldn't be a
strong market for expensive 35mm still cameras, though I don't know what
the
street price of the F6 will be.

We get CSI as reruns here in Israel and last night we had a New Year's
treat of 4 in a row. Since the F6 had just been announced I payed close
attention to the cameras they used.

Until someone invents a digital camera that cannot be tampered with (i.e.
the images edited) film cameras will stay in the police and forensics
business.

In every case escept one they took a photo it was with some sort of high
end film camera using a pentaprism view finder. The one case they did not
the "criminalist" pulled out a large "Camedia" camera that produced a
polaroid
print, I expect that was "poetic license".

Unfortunately all they need is C-41 film and 1 hour labs, so while high
end
film cameras will still be needed for a while, it does not say good things
for monochromatic film, paper and chemicals. :-(

I also expect that the real market for the F6 is pros who are buying D2x
cameras. Having the same look and feel, lens mount, and accessories
for both film and digital will be a big boost for them. I think it would
have been nice (but confusing) to name it the F2x as in film, model 2x
to compliment the D2x (digital model 2x).

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, C.T.O. GW&T Ltd., Jerusalem Israel

IL Voice: 972-544-608-069 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice:
1-215-821-1838


Wow, great post. Glad I asked. Not having a seriously devious mind, I'd have
not thought of that angle.

Scott

Alan Browne choreographed a chorus line of high-kicking electrons to
spell out:

I'm also (while happy that Nikon have launched a major new film
camera) curious to know how people are reacting to it.

My gear is Canon, but had a new -1 series film camera been announced
I think I'd have about the same reaction. That being essentially "That's
nice..." and continuing to shoot with my digital gear. For me film pretty
much is dead. I might occasionally miss the pop of a Velvia slide, but
right now I'm happy enough with not having to wait for developing (and then
scanning) negs--not to mention paying for supplies. I'm doing a lot more
shooting as a result.
The F6 appears to me to be another result of how digital really is
driving the market now--major R&D and new whiz-bang concepts are appearing
first on the Big Two's digital cameras, and for film cameras the (still
beneficial) effect is that they are less expensive and more features are
being put into them. "Them" being SLRs as the 35mm P&S market is fading
fast. The F6 should please its buyers, but its buyers represent less and
less of the target audience...

--
______________A L L D O N E ! B Y E B Y E !_________________
| __ "The Internet is where lunatics are
| (__ * _ _ _ _ internetworked worldwide at the speed of light.
| __)|| | |(_)| \ *This* is progress?" --J. Shinal

Alan Browne choreographed a chorus line of high-kicking electrons to
spell out:

I'm also (while happy that Nikon have launched a major new film
camera) curious to know how people are reacting to it.

My gear is Canon, but had a new -1 series film camera been announced
I think I'd have about the same reaction. That being essentially "That's
nice..." and continuing to shoot with my digital gear. For me film pretty
much is dead. I might occasionally miss the pop of a Velvia slide, but
right now I'm happy enough with not having to wait for developing (and then
scanning) negs--not to mention paying for supplies. I'm doing a lot more
shooting as a result.
The F6 appears to me to be another result of how digital really is
driving the market now--major R&D and new whiz-bang concepts are appearing
first on the Big Two's digital cameras, and for film cameras the (still
beneficial) effect is that they are less expensive and more features are
being put into them. "Them" being SLRs as the 35mm P&S market is fading
fast. The F6 should please its buyers, but its buyers represent less and
less of the target audience...

--
______________A L L D O N E ! B Y E B Y E !_________________
| __ "The Internet is where lunatics are
| (__ * _ _ _ _ internetworked worldwide at the speed of light.
| __)|| | |(_)| \ *This* is progress?" --J. Shinal

Alan Browne choreographed a chorus line of high-kicking electrons to
spell out:

I'm also (while happy that Nikon have launched a major new film
camera) curious to know how people are reacting to it.

My gear is Canon, but had a new -1 series film camera been announced
I think I'd have about the same reaction. That being essentially "That's
nice..." and continuing to shoot with my digital gear. For me film pretty
much is dead. I might occasionally miss the pop of a Velvia slide, but
right now I'm happy enough with not having to wait for developing (and then
scanning) negs--not to mention paying for supplies. I'm doing a lot more
shooting as a result.
The F6 appears to me to be another result of how digital really is
driving the market now--major R&D and new whiz-bang concepts are appearing
first on the Big Two's digital cameras, and for film cameras the (still
beneficial) effect is that they are less expensive and more features are
being put into them. "Them" being SLRs as the 35mm P&S market is fading
fast. The F6 should please its buyers, but its buyers represent less and
less of the target audience...

--
______________A L L D O N E ! B Y E B Y E !_________________
| __ "The Internet is where lunatics are
| (__ * _ _ _ _ internetworked worldwide at the speed of light.
| __)|| | |(_)| \ *This* is progress?" --J. Shinal