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Olympus and others. Greater mega pixel capacity expected soon? Skinnyon E-3
I use an E-510 and like it a lot for my needs but am thinking of a
second body to have two different zooms availably quickly without the need to change lens. The E-3 seems to have some real advantages but is pricey. 2 questions: Do any of you here have extensive experiance with the E-3 and your opinion of it. Are there expected increases in mega pixel capacity any time soon for Olympus or others? Thanks for any info. Charlie |
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Olympus and others. Greater mega pixel capacity expected soon? Skinny on E-3
Regardless of brand their will always be something newer and better on the
horizon so you must decide if you really need that second camera body right now. The phenomenal rate of development of digital sensors has made a laughingstock of many of the older posts on this forum about how smaller sensors will never have low noise at high ISOs. What is spectacular in the Nikon D300 today will be baseline specs in two years. |
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Olympus and others. Greater mega pixel capacity expected soon? Skinny on E-3
"flaming-o" wrote:
The phenomenal rate of development of digital sensors has made a laughingstock of many of the older posts on this forum about how smaller sensors will never have low noise at high ISOs. Someone should tell Olympus that. The Four Thirds sensor in the 10MP Olympus E-3 is noisy. Given that the larger APS-C sensor in the 12 MP Nikon D300 performs so much better than the sensor in the E-3, it would appear that smaller sensors still suffer critical limitations to their ability to deliver low noise images. |
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Olympus and others. Greater mega pixel capacity expected soon?Skinny on E-3
Tony Polson wrote:
"flaming-o" wrote: The phenomenal rate of development of digital sensors has made a laughingstock of many of the older posts on this forum about how smaller sensors will never have low noise at high ISOs. Someone should tell Olympus that. The Four Thirds sensor in the 10MP Olympus E-3 is noisy. Given that the larger APS-C sensor in the 12 MP Nikon D300 performs so much better than the sensor in the E-3, it would appear that smaller sensors still suffer critical limitations to their ability to deliver low noise images. What is or defines this "critical limitation" of the E-3. I guess I'm looking for, just where or how does this occur in E-3, but a Nikon has no noise. Is it just the sensor in the E-3 or is it all sensors used in 4/3 cameras? Steve |
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Olympus and others. Greater mega pixel capacity expected soon?Skinny on E-3
On Apr 13, 4:58*am, "Yoshi" wrote:
"." wrote in message ... I use an E-510 and like it a lot for my needs but am thinking of a second body to have two different zooms availably quickly without the need to change lens. The E-3 seems to have some real advantages but is pricey. 2 questions: Do any of you here have extensive experiance with the E-3 and your opinion of it. Are there expected increases in mega pixel capacity any time soon for Olympus or others? Thanks for any info. Charlie 10 MP are sufficient. *What is needed is better photographers. Yoshi- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Always working on that too. But better than what? Charlie |
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Olympus and others. Greater mega pixel capacity expected soon?Skinny on E-3
On Apr 12, 6:18*pm, "flaming-o" wrote:
Regardless of brand their will always be something newer and better on the horizon so you must decide if you really need that second camera body right now. Exactly, and I don't need it right now and so will wait and see. Curious as to what is known by some of what experience folks have had with E-3 and when mega pixel increases were likely. Charlie |
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Olympus and others. Greater mega pixel capacity expected soon? Skinny on E-3
"Steve Sherman" wrote in message ... Tony Polson wrote: "flaming-o" wrote: The phenomenal rate of development of digital sensors has made a laughingstock of many of the older posts on this forum about how smaller sensors will never have low noise at high ISOs. Someone should tell Olympus that. The Four Thirds sensor in the 10MP Olympus E-3 is noisy. Given that the larger APS-C sensor in the 12 MP Nikon D300 performs so much better than the sensor in the E-3, it would appear that smaller sensors still suffer critical limitations to their ability to deliver low noise images. What is or defines this "critical limitation" of the E-3. I guess I'm looking for, just where or how does this occur in E-3, but a Nikon has no noise. Is it just the sensor in the E-3 or is it all sensors used in 4/3 cameras? Steve Steve: The "Reader's Digest" version is that the prevalent common wisdom is that the 4/3 sensors just don't have the real estate available to create pixels of sufficient size, in sufficient numbers to perform at such a low noise level to give sufficient signal without visible noise becoming obvious. In other words, and all things being equal and forgetting all in-camera processing, given the same number of pixels, sensors of larger size (with larger pixels) will generate images with a lower noise level than smaller sensors. By the way, the D300 is far from having "no noise" in real world use (and don't believe anyone who tells you differently). However, whether or not the noise is visible (or bothersome in your use) is the crux of the matter. I've seen noisy images from the D300 and amazingly clean enlargements from the E-3. Now be prepared for the influx of the "experts" on this site with any and all opinions (some very valid) leaving you where you started i.e.- you need to make up your own mind, based upon your own use!! Bob |
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Olympus and others. Greater mega pixel capacity expected soon? Skinny on E-3
"flaming-o" a écrit dans le message de ... Regardless of brand their will always be something newer and better on the horizon so you must decide if you really need that second camera body right now. The phenomenal rate of development of digital sensors has made a laughingstock of many of the older posts on this forum about how smaller sensors will never have low noise at high ISOs. What is spectacular in the Nikon D300 today will be baseline specs in two years. and what is spectacular in the Nikon D300 ? hehehe |
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Hash: SHA1 .. wrote: | I use an E-510 and like it a lot for my needs but am thinking of a | second body to have two different zooms availably quickly without the | need to change lens. The E-3 seems to have some real advantages but is | pricey. | | 2 questions: | | Do any of you here have extensive experiance with the E-3 and your | opinion of it. | | Are there expected increases in mega pixel capacity any time soon for | Olympus or others? | | Thanks for any info. | | Charlie Olympus are in a partnership with Panasonic. That partnership has Panasonic making P&S cameras for Olympus and supplying sensors for Olympus DSLRs. ~From my experience with both brands of cameras, Olympus are not at any time soon going to have ground breaking sensor technology. For a long time I had considerable faith that Panasonic's experience with Pro Video cameras would result in exceptional still camera sensors. Too much time has passed without the substantial improvement Nikon came out with to think the Olympasonics will never be at the level they need to to be at to regain the reputation Olympus had with their OM1 cameras. If I were head of the board at Olympus I'd either dump DSLRs from the product range or embark on a horrifically expensive R&D program to produce a 20MP sensor to rival anything Canon or Nikon will have produced by the time it is developed. Such events are as likely to happen as my chance of being appointed to the board of directors! Bye bye Panasonic. The last of the handful of FZ50sI had for Santa shoots is gone. Replaced with Nikon D60s. My 20 year loyalty to Olympus ended with the sale of my E2 and the introduction of Canon 10D. I never had any loyalty to Canon. Too many out-of-the-box faults, too few fixes. My loyalty to Nikon is now complete and at unthinkable cost (for me) of a holiday house and new car. It wasn't so much the D3 bodies that cost so much but the lenses x6 I had to buy and the telephoto lenses. My old Canon gear didn't bring anything like what I expected. Second month and 5th wedding as 100% Nikon and the results are very clearly that although I sold many personal assets and didn't upgrade my car to change from a mixed bag of brands to one, my photographs are now easier to obtain and my dud list reduced to well below expectations. Compared to Olympus? What a waste of a perfectly good opportunity Olympus had. Some of the best lenses in the world won't overcome some of the worst cameras they've ever made. No worse example of their mistakes than when the D300 (twin lens kit) started selling in department stores at less than 50% of it's six months earlier RRP. They might sell a few E3s to die hard devotees but really, Olympus are well and truly out of contention as a supplier of professional level cameras. I never thought I say that! - -- from Douglas, If my PGP key is missing, the post is a forgery. Ignore it. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFIAq0lhuxzk5D6V14RAiGDAKCj4Y+itGB/Bsdkzos5CsRKgQlRZACeIMYp DiAQw226Dslbm0ehHLI+LWk= =CuBl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Olympus and others. Greater mega pixel capacity expected soon?Skinny on E-3
flaming-o wrote:
Regardless of brand their will always be something newer and better on the horizon so you must decide if you really need that second camera body right now. True. The phenomenal rate of development of digital sensors has made a laughingstock of many of the older posts on this forum about how smaller sensors will never have low noise at high ISOs. There are only so many photons to go around, and they are emitted randomly. That gives an upper limit to noise-freeness in regard to pixel size. That's an unalterable physical fact. Of course, you can "denoise" any image, turn it into an oil painting ... What is spectacular in the Nikon D300 today will be baseline specs in two years. The D300 is not, exactly, a "smaller sensor", and the pixel pitch is 5,5µm. The E-3 has a pixel pitch of less than 5µm, less than 80% of the possible pixel size of the D300 --- and the D300 has 22% *more* pixels. Larger ones! -Wolfgang |
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