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  #21  
Old July 27th 17, 02:27 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
David B.[_3_]
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Default My thanks to Davoud!

On 26-Jul-17 8:40 PM, PeterN didn't seem to post a reply!

On 7/26/2017 1:36 PM, Davoud wrote:
Davoud:
Other folk may view them he-
http://www.primordial-light.com/aves.html


RichA:
Difficult, getting that close to a bird like those in the wild and not
spooking them.


Not at all difficult. I made it very clear on that page that these
birds all wore jesses: "All of these birds were wearing leather
restraining straps called jesses. In some instances the birdÅ’s stance
hid the jess; in other instances it was necessary to remove the jess in
Photoshop to give the bird a more natural appearance."

While the birds aren't exactly tame (take your finger off and eat it,
given half a chance) they are somewhat inured to humans. Every one of
them has a physical or emotional handicap that would prevent it from
surviving in the wild. The Golden Eagle, Aquila chrysaetos, for
example, had to have its right wing amputated after a brave hunter shot
it.


Will you please repeat your post if you *DID* post a response, Peter?

TIA

--
David B.
  #22  
Old July 27th 17, 02:49 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
David B.[_3_]
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Default My thanks to Davoud!

On 26-Jul-17 6:13 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 7/26/2017 10:47 AM, David B. wrote:
On 26-Jul-17 3:35 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 7/26/2017 2:24 AM, RichA wrote:
On Tuesday, 18 July 2017 04:45:54 UTC-4, David B. wrote:
I've just viewed the most fantastic images of birds - I have never
seen
finer, EVER!

Other folk may view them he-
http://www.primordial-light.com/aves.html

I've made a note to explore David's work further when I return home to
my iMac!

Thank you for providing the route to find you, Davoud! :-D

--
Regards,
David B.

Difficult, getting that close to a bird like those in the wild and
not spooking them.


Unless they are acclimated to people, or you use a long lens..
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rqsbscqwacivoqx/20160701_nickerson%20birds%20oyster%20cathcers%20t erns_4192%20crop.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9fjzuep8syetz60/my%20dinner.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ycftpxc2x5y1q15/osprey%20flying%20with%20fish.jpg?dl=0




The images at the links you posted, Peter, are not a patch on the
quality of those photographs taken by Davoud (in MY opinion, anyway).


OK. You certainly are entitled to your opinion. Reasons for your opinion
would be appreciated.


Hi Peter,

Savageduck has appraised your images better that I could have done. I
didn't mean to disparage YOUR skills with a camera which are, I'm sure,
far better than my own!

--
David B.
  #23  
Old July 27th 17, 02:53 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
PeterN[_6_]
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Default My thanks to Davoud!

On 7/27/2017 9:27 AM, David B. wrote:
On 26-Jul-17 8:40 PM, PeterN didn't seem to post a reply!

On 7/26/2017 1:36 PM, Davoud wrote:
Davoud:
Other folk may view them he-
http://www.primordial-light.com/aves.html

RichA:
Difficult, getting that close to a bird like those in the wild and not
spooking them.

Not at all difficult. I made it very clear on that page that these
birds all wore jesses: "All of these birds were wearing leather
restraining straps called jesses. In some instances the birdÅ’s stance
hid the jess; in other instances it was necessary to remove the jess in
Photoshop to give the bird a more natural appearance."

While the birds aren't exactly tame (take your finger off and eat it,
given half a chance) they are somewhat inured to humans. Every one of
them has a physical or emotional handicap that would prevent it from
surviving in the wild. The Golden Eagle, Aquila chrysaetos, for
example, had to have its right wing amputated after a brave hunter shot
it.


Will you please repeat your post if you *DID* post a response, Peter?

TIA


I pushed the wrong button. phat phingers.
sorry, it happened a few times in the last two days.

--
PeterN
  #24  
Old July 27th 17, 03:03 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
David B.[_3_]
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Posts: 96
Default My thanks to Davoud!

On 27-Jul-17 2:53 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 7/27/2017 9:27 AM, David B. wrote:
On 26-Jul-17 8:40 PM, PeterN didn't seem to post a reply!

On 7/26/2017 1:36 PM, Davoud wrote:
Davoud:
Other folk may view them he-
http://www.primordial-light.com/aves.html

RichA:
Difficult, getting that close to a bird like those in the wild and
not
spooking them.

Not at all difficult. I made it very clear on that page that these
birds all wore jesses: "All of these birds were wearing leather
restraining straps called jesses. In some instances the birdÅ’s stance
hid the jess; in other instances it was necessary to remove the jess in
Photoshop to give the bird a more natural appearance."

While the birds aren't exactly tame (take your finger off and eat it,
given half a chance) they are somewhat inured to humans. Every one of
them has a physical or emotional handicap that would prevent it from
surviving in the wild. The Golden Eagle, Aquila chrysaetos, for
example, had to have its right wing amputated after a brave hunter shot
it.


Will you please repeat your post if you *DID* post a response, Peter?

TIA


I pushed the wrong button. phat phingers.
sorry, it happened a few times in the last two days.


Thanks for clarifying, Peter.

Not a problem - just checking that there's no fault at MY end! :-)

David B.

  #25  
Old July 27th 17, 03:13 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Savageduck[_3_]
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Default My thanks to Davoud!

On Jul 27, 2017, David B. wrote
(in article ):

On 26-Jul-17 9:08 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Jul 26, 2017, Savageduck wrote
(in iganews.com):

On Jul 26, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 7/26/2017 10:47 AM, David B. wrote:
On 26-Jul-17 3:35 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 7/26/2017 2:24 AM, RichA wrote:
On Tuesday, 18 July 2017 04:45:54 UTC-4, David B. wrote:
I've just viewed the most fantastic images of birds - I have never
seen
finer, EVER!

Other folk may view them he-
http://www.primordial-light.com/aves.html

I've made a note to explore David's work further when I return home to
my iMac!

Thank you for providing the route to find you, Davoud! :-D

--
Regards,
David B.

Difficult, getting that close to a bird like those in the wild and
not spooking them.

Unless they are acclimated to people, or you use a long lens..
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rqsbscqwac...son%20birds%20
oy
s
ter%20cathcers%20terns_4192%20crop.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9fjzuep8syetz60/my%20dinner.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ycftpxc2x5...%20with%20fish
.j
p
g?dl=0


The images at the links you posted, Peter, are not a patch on the
quality of those photographs taken by Davoud (in MY opinion, anyway).

OK. You certainly are entitled to your opinion. Reasons for your opinion
would be appreciated.

I can’t speak for David and his opinion, but I have my opinion, and
observations regarding those three shots.

Starting with the Oyster catcher. At first I thought this was your old
Oyster
catcher shot from a few years back, then I saw that this was recently
captured with the D500. The image quality (IQ) is awful, and that seems to
be
a result of several things, including your usual crop, and poor focusing on
this particular part of your frame. If this is a demonstration of the IQ
capability of the D500, I am disappointed.

The hawk shot is just a ridiculously severe crop resulting in an image not
much better than a thumbnail. It hardly seemed worth posting. I certainly
have managed to wring out better quality images with my D70.

The Osprey is a great capture, but again suffers from your cropping, and
sharpening techniques in post. The edge halo detracts from the image just
as
it did when you first shared it.


BTW: here is a D70 shot of Osprey with snack from 2004.
https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Shared/Demo/dsc0067C.jpg


Your comments say exactly what *I* had thought - thank you.

Your link doesn't 'work' for me. :-(


Try this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/thwydbv8ozw10gi/dsc0067C.jpg

--

Regards,
Savageduck

  #26  
Old July 27th 17, 04:51 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
PeterN[_6_]
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Default My thanks to Davoud!

On 7/27/2017 9:49 AM, David B. wrote:
On 26-Jul-17 6:13 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 7/26/2017 10:47 AM, David B. wrote:
On 26-Jul-17 3:35 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 7/26/2017 2:24 AM, RichA wrote:
On Tuesday, 18 July 2017 04:45:54 UTC-4, David B. wrote:
I've just viewed the most fantastic images of birds - I have never
seen
finer, EVER!

Other folk may view them he-
http://www.primordial-light.com/aves.html

I've made a note to explore David's work further when I return
home to
my iMac!

Thank you for providing the route to find you, Davoud! :-D

--
Regards,
David B.

Difficult, getting that close to a bird like those in the wild and
not spooking them.


Unless they are acclimated to people, or you use a long lens..
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rqsbscqwacivoqx/20160701_nickerson%20birds%20oyster%20cathcers%20t erns_4192%20crop.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9fjzuep8syetz60/my%20dinner.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ycftpxc2x5y1q15/osprey%20flying%20with%20fish.jpg?dl=0




The images at the links you posted, Peter, are not a patch on the
quality of those photographs taken by Davoud (in MY opinion, anyway).


OK. You certainly are entitled to your opinion. Reasons for your
opinion would be appreciated.


Hi Peter,

Savageduck has appraised your images better that I could have done. I
didn't mean to disparage YOUR skills with a camera which are, I'm sure,
far better than my own!


According to the Duck I should get 20 lashes with a wet noodle for my
posting noisy and highly cropped images.

--
PeterN
  #27  
Old July 27th 17, 05:44 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
nospam
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Default My thanks to Davoud!

In article , PeterN
wrote:

According to the Duck I should get 20 lashes with a wet noodle for my
posting noisy and highly cropped images.


at least that many, and with a something stronger.
  #28  
Old July 27th 17, 05:47 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Savageduck[_3_]
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Default My thanks to Davoud!

On Jul 27, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 7/27/2017 9:49 AM, David B. wrote:
On 26-Jul-17 6:13 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 7/26/2017 10:47 AM, David B. wrote:
On 26-Jul-17 3:35 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 7/26/2017 2:24 AM, RichA wrote:
On Tuesday, 18 July 2017 04:45:54 UTC-4, David B. wrote:
I've just viewed the most fantastic images of birds - I have never
seen
finer, EVER!

Other folk may view them he-
http://www.primordial-light.com/aves.html

I've made a note to explore David's work further when I return
home to
my iMac!

Thank you for providing the route to find you, Davoud! :-D

--
Regards,
David B.

Difficult, getting that close to a bird like those in the wild and
not spooking them.

Unless they are acclimated to people, or you use a long lens..
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rqsbscqwac...on%20birds%20o
yster%20cathcers%20terns_4192%20crop.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9fjzuep8syetz60/my%20dinner.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ycftpxc2x5...%20with%20fish.
jpg?dl=0




The images at the links you posted, Peter, are not a patch on the
quality of those photographs taken by Davoud (in MY opinion, anyway).

OK. You certainly are entitled to your opinion. Reasons for your
opinion would be appreciated.


Hi Peter,

Savageduck has appraised your images better that I could have done. I
didn't mean to disparage YOUR skills with a camera which are, I'm sure,
far better than my own!


According to the Duck I should get 20 lashes with a wet noodle for my
posting noisy and highly cropped images.


....and that is just for starters.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

  #29  
Old July 27th 17, 06:05 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
PeterN[_6_]
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Posts: 4,254
Default My thanks to Davoud!

On 7/27/2017 12:44 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

According to the Duck I should get 20 lashes with a wet noodle for my
posting noisy and highly cropped images.


at least that many, and with a something stronger.


when we see your photos, your comments will have validity.

--
PeterN
  #30  
Old July 27th 17, 06:41 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
David B.[_3_]
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Posts: 96
Default My thanks to Davoud!

On 27-Jul-17 3:13 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Jul 27, 2017, David B. wrote
(in article ):

On 26-Jul-17 9:08 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Jul 26, 2017, Savageduck wrote
(in iganews.com):

On Jul 26, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 7/26/2017 10:47 AM, David B. wrote:
On 26-Jul-17 3:35 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 7/26/2017 2:24 AM, RichA wrote:
On Tuesday, 18 July 2017 04:45:54 UTC-4, David B. wrote:
I've just viewed the most fantastic images of birds - I have never
seen
finer, EVER!

Other folk may view them he-
http://www.primordial-light.com/aves.html

I've made a note to explore David's work further when I return home to
my iMac!

Thank you for providing the route to find you, Davoud! :-D

--
Regards,
David B.

Difficult, getting that close to a bird like those in the wild and
not spooking them.

Unless they are acclimated to people, or you use a long lens..
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rqsbscqwac...son%20birds%20
oy
s
ter%20cathcers%20terns_4192%20crop.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9fjzuep8syetz60/my%20dinner.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ycftpxc2x5...%20with%20fish
.j
p
g?dl=0


The images at the links you posted, Peter, are not a patch on the
quality of those photographs taken by Davoud (in MY opinion, anyway).

OK. You certainly are entitled to your opinion. Reasons for your opinion
would be appreciated.

I can’t speak for David and his opinion, but I have my opinion, and
observations regarding those three shots.

Starting with the Oyster catcher. At first I thought this was your old
Oyster
catcher shot from a few years back, then I saw that this was recently
captured with the D500. The image quality (IQ) is awful, and that seems to
be
a result of several things, including your usual crop, and poor focusing on
this particular part of your frame. If this is a demonstration of the IQ
capability of the D500, I am disappointed.

The hawk shot is just a ridiculously severe crop resulting in an image not
much better than a thumbnail. It hardly seemed worth posting. I certainly
have managed to wring out better quality images with my D70.

The Osprey is a great capture, but again suffers from your cropping, and
sharpening techniques in post. The edge halo detracts from the image just
as
it did when you first shared it.

BTW: here is a D70 shot of Osprey with snack from 2004.
https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Shared/Demo/dsc0067C.jpg


Your comments say exactly what *I* had thought - thank you.

Your link doesn't 'work' for me. :-(


Try this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/thwydbv8ozw10gi/dsc0067C.jpg


Wow! What a fantastic capture.

Thanks for sharing with everyone here, 'Duck. :-)

--
David B.
 




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