Nails in P&S coffins (and DSLRs?)

In rec.photo.digital Bruce wrote:

| But Kodak's digital products are extremely disappointing. At one point
| they were ahead of the curve, with good quality products such as the
| DC210, but since then their standards have dropped to rock bottom.

That's the effect of "going consumer". Price matters to consumers. But the
quality doesn't seem to. So lower the quality to 1/4 of what it was before,
then lower the price by 15% Profit!

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In rec.photo.digital ray wrote:

| So, in other words, you've not tried a P series or any other recent Kodak
| camera. You've simply decided they are all junk without any personal
| experience at all.

It's based on how they are marketed, who they are marketed to, specifications,
and reviews. No ONE person can try all cameras. That's what these methods of
making decisions are for. Once Kodak earns a reputation for good cameras, and
makes models that serve my needs, then I will look again.

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On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 00:44:58 +0000, phil-news-nospam wrote:

In rec.photo.digital ray wrote:

| So, in other words, you've not tried a P series or any other recent
Kodak | camera. You've simply decided they are all junk without any
personal | experience at all.

It's based on how they are marketed, who they are marketed to,
specifications, and reviews. No ONE person can try all cameras. That's
what these methods of making decisions are for. Once Kodak earns a
reputation for good cameras, and makes models that serve my needs, then
I will look again.

I see. I guess that makes perfect sense - to you. So no one looks at
Kodak until they earn a good reputation. How are they supposed to earn a
good reputation if no one will look at them?

wrote:
In rec.photo.digital Bruce wrote:

| But Kodak's digital products are extremely disappointing. At one point
| they were ahead of the curve, with good quality products such as the
| DC210, but since then their standards have dropped to rock bottom.

That's the effect of "going consumer". Price matters to consumers. But the
quality doesn't seem to. So lower the quality to 1/4 of what it was before,
then lower the price by 15% Profit!


That's how it is supposed to work.

But Kodak has never made a penny profit out of digital. Go figure.

ray wrote:
So, in other words, you've not tried a P series or any other recent Kodak
camera. You've simply decided they are all junk without any personal
experience at all.

At least that puts yours remarks in perspective.


I'm a professional photographer. Kodak doesn't offer any digital
cameras that are suitable for professional work.

Why on earth would I be interested in trying any of Kodak's
consumer-grade junk?

On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 08:18:20 +0000, Bruce wrote:

ray wrote:
So, in other words, you've not tried a P series or any other recent
Kodak camera. You've simply decided they are all junk without any
personal experience at all.

At least that puts yours remarks in perspective.


I'm a professional photographer. Kodak doesn't offer any digital
cameras that are suitable for professional work.

Why on earth would I be interested in trying any of Kodak's
consumer-grade junk?

So, as a professional photographer, why are you wasting time in
rec.photo.digital? I had assumed 'rec' implied recreation rather than
profession.

ray wrote:

So, as a professional photographer, why are you wasting time in
rec.photo.digital?


I'm in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems where some professionals have been
posting useful, informative messages for some years now.

Unfortunately, the thread is also cross-posted to rec.photo.digital,
where idiots like you have posted useless and often misleading drivel
for even longer.

On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 22:43:03 +0000, Bruce wrote:

ray wrote:

So, as a professional photographer, why are you wasting time in
rec.photo.digital?


I'm in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems where some professionals have been
posting useful, informative messages for some years now.

Unfortunately, the thread is also cross-posted to rec.photo.digital,
where idiots like you have posted useless and often misleading drivel
for even longer.

Hmmmmmm! I think you have your idiots crossed.

On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 22:43:03 +0000, Bruce wrote:

ray wrote:

So, as a professional photographer, why are you wasting time in
rec.photo.digital?


I'm in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems where some professionals have been
posting useful, informative messages for some years now.

Unfortunately, the thread is also cross-posted to rec.photo.digital,
where idiots like you have posted useless and often misleading drivel
for even longer.

I see. So the 'rec' in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems really means
professional instead of recreational. Makes sense.

In rec.photo.digital ray wrote:
| On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 00:44:58 +0000, phil-news-nospam wrote:
|
| In rec.photo.digital ray wrote:
|
| | So, in other words, you've not tried a P series or any other recent
| Kodak | camera. You've simply decided they are all junk without any
| personal | experience at all.
|
| It's based on how they are marketed, who they are marketed to,
| specifications, and reviews. No ONE person can try all cameras. That's
| what these methods of making decisions are for. Once Kodak earns a
| reputation for good cameras, and makes models that serve my needs, then
| I will look again.
|
| I see. I guess that makes perfect sense - to you. So no one looks at
| Kodak until they earn a good reputation. How are they supposed to earn a
| good reputation if no one will look at them?

I'd hear about it, I'm sure. Some reviews would be reporting "Kodak Komeback".

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