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Adobe being punished for predatory marketing tactics
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:03:22 -0400, "Peter"
wrote: "R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message ... "Peter" wrote in message ... "RichA" wrote in message ... Tsk, Tsk. No support for software just a year after its inception, moving on to newer editions, forcing people to upgrade whether they needed to or not. http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/22/tech...tock/index.htm Just where does that link say that? I think the OP is suggesting that this is the reason for poor sales - i.e. Adobe's tactics are deterring purchasers. I would like to hear it from the OP, then, in plain language, that is not yellow journalism. The article discusses the reasons for poor sales. The reason stated in the article, is not what the OP implies through his posting. Hummm, Sagging sales. Worldwide economic distress. Advertising revenues DOWN worldwide. (What gets cut from budgets first? Advertising!) Slumping and stagnant economies in the most productive markets in the world.... But RichA thinks their sagging sales is because they are assholes. Rich, just because YOU think like an asshole doesn't mean everybody IS an asshole. |
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Bruce wrote:
RichA wrote: On Sep 23, 3:07*pm, (GMAN) wrote: That sounds just like Microsoft and its Windows *Products. They extended XP support to 2014(?) I think. I'm not sure that makes Microsoft worthy of praise. For example, Internet Explorer 9 will not be available for Windows XP, only for Vista and Windows 7. It's not available for MS-DOS, either. Many people rejected the flawed Vista to stay with XP. Many companies insisted that the "XP downgrade" option was included on PC that they bought so they could avoid Vista's problems. It appears that these millions of XP users will be forced to stay with Internet Explorer 8. Or upgrade to Windows 7. If you don't pay for your software then you really don't have much right to complain that it doesn't do everything that you want. -- Ray Fischer |
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"tony cooper" wrote in message
... On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:52:14 -0400, "Peter" wrote: "Alfred Molon" wrote in message om... In article 1a7ff44c-3e69-4967-8b98-b6538c0a54f3 @j5g2000vbg.googlegroups.com, RichA says... Whereas Adobe simply refuses to update raw conversion which kills the software's utility for any new cameras. Well no, because you can always convert to DNG and keep using an old version of Photoshop. The DNG converter is free. I had forgotten about DNG. However, IIRC I thought there were issues in the DNG conversion with some formats. I could be wrong, though. I shoot Nikon, RAW (.NEF), download via Bridge with a setting that automatically converts files from .NEF to .DNG, and process in CS4. I have no idea what problems you might have heard about. I have none. (Except for the images not being as good or as interesting as I thought they would be when I pushed the shutter.) It's just something that sticks in my head about conversion of RAW to DNG. It was not in connection with the use of any Adobe products. As I said above, I could be wrong and the issue is not worth pursuing. I am more concerned my sharing the image issue you refer to in the immediately preceding paragraph. -- Peter |
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"tony cooper" wrote in message
... On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:52:14 -0400, "Peter" wrote: "Alfred Molon" wrote in message om... In article 1a7ff44c-3e69-4967-8b98-b6538c0a54f3 @j5g2000vbg.googlegroups.com, RichA says... Whereas Adobe simply refuses to update raw conversion which kills the software's utility for any new cameras. Well no, because you can always convert to DNG and keep using an old version of Photoshop. The DNG converter is free. I had forgotten about DNG. However, IIRC I thought there were issues in the DNG conversion with some formats. I could be wrong, though. I shoot Nikon, RAW (.NEF), download via Bridge with a setting that automatically converts files from .NEF to .DNG, and process in CS4. I have no idea what problems you might have heard about. I have none. (Except for the images not being as good or as interesting as I thought they would be when I pushed the shutter.) It's just something that sticks in my head about conversion of RAW to DNG. It was not in connection with the use of any Adobe products. As I said above, I could be wrong and the issue is not worth pursuing. I am more concerned my sharing the image issue you refer to in the immediately preceding paragraph. -- Peter |
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On 2010-09-25 11:49:31 -0700, "Peter" said:
"tony cooper" wrote in message ... On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:52:14 -0400, "Peter" wrote: "Alfred Molon" wrote in message ... In article 1a7ff44c-3e69-4967-8b98-b6538c0a54f3 @j5g2000vbg.googlegroups.com, RichA says... Whereas Adobe simply refuses to update raw conversion which kills the software's utility for any new cameras. Well no, because you can always convert to DNG and keep using an old version of Photoshop. The DNG converter is free. I had forgotten about DNG. However, IIRC I thought there were issues in the DNG conversion with some formats. I could be wrong, though. I shoot Nikon, RAW (.NEF), download via Bridge with a setting that automatically converts files from .NEF to .DNG, and process in CS4. I have no idea what problems you might have heard about. I have none. (Except for the images not being as good or as interesting as I thought they would be when I pushed the shutter.) It's just something that sticks in my head about conversion of RAW to DNG. It was not in connection with the use of any Adobe products. As I said above, I could be wrong and the issue is not worth pursuing. I am more concerned my sharing the image issue you refer to in the immediately preceding paragraph. I have to agree with Tony on this. I have had no issues converting Nikon RAW, (NEF) to DNG using LR2, Bridge, or DNG Convertor, and then working with those files in LR, LR2, ACR, Bridge, CS2, CS4, or CS5. The RAW files from my Fujifilm FinePix E900 (RAF) {Not a bad compact BTW} were processed, either for DNG conversion, or ACR, as smoothly as the Nikon NEF's. When I bought my G11, Adobe had yet to update ACR to process that particular version of Canon RAW (CR2), but I had no trouble converting those files to DNG with LR2. The current versions of ACR and CS5 process the G11 CR2 files as expected, without issue. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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"Savageduck" wrote in message
news:2010092514014651816-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom... On 2010-09-25 11:49:31 -0700, "Peter" said: "tony cooper" wrote in message ... On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:52:14 -0400, "Peter" wrote: "Alfred Molon" wrote in message ... In article 1a7ff44c-3e69-4967-8b98-b6538c0a54f3 @j5g2000vbg.googlegroups.com, RichA says... Whereas Adobe simply refuses to update raw conversion which kills the software's utility for any new cameras. Well no, because you can always convert to DNG and keep using an old version of Photoshop. The DNG converter is free. I had forgotten about DNG. However, IIRC I thought there were issues in the DNG conversion with some formats. I could be wrong, though. I shoot Nikon, RAW (.NEF), download via Bridge with a setting that automatically converts files from .NEF to .DNG, and process in CS4. I have no idea what problems you might have heard about. I have none. (Except for the images not being as good or as interesting as I thought they would be when I pushed the shutter.) It's just something that sticks in my head about conversion of RAW to DNG. It was not in connection with the use of any Adobe products. As I said above, I could be wrong and the issue is not worth pursuing. I am more concerned my sharing the image issue you refer to in the immediately preceding paragraph. I have to agree with Tony on this. I have had no issues converting Nikon RAW, (NEF) to DNG using LR2, Bridge, or DNG Convertor, and then working with those files in LR, LR2, ACR, Bridge, CS2, CS4, or CS5. The RAW files from my Fujifilm FinePix E900 (RAF) {Not a bad compact BTW} were processed, either for DNG conversion, or ACR, as smoothly as the Nikon NEF's. When I bought my G11, Adobe had yet to update ACR to process that particular version of Canon RAW (CR2), but I had no trouble converting those files to DNG with LR2. The current versions of ACR and CS5 process the G11 CR2 files as expected, without issue. As I said, I may well be wrong. -- Peter |
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On 25/09/2010 19:58, Ray Fischer wrote:
Many people rejected the flawed Vista to stay with XP. Many companies insisted that the "XP downgrade" option was included on PC that they bought so they could avoid Vista's problems. It appears that these millions of XP users will be forced to stay with Internet Explorer 8. Or upgrade to Windows 7. Or use a better browser. -- Bertrand, 5 years without IE and counting... |
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Adobe being punished for predatory marketing tactics
On 10-09-23 9:26 , Peter wrote:
"RichA" wrote in message ... Tsk, tsk. No support for software just a year after its inception, moving on to newer editions, forcing people to upgrade whether they needed to or not. http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/22/tech...tock/index.htm Adobe are being punished by the quality of their past products where users do not see the need to upgrade as what they have does all they need - most esp. in lean economic times where people are saving rather than spending. I still haven't upgraded to CS5 (PS only) as it doesn't really do much more than CS3 that I need. It does have some nifty features (content aware editing) and a nice HDR model (and more) - I just don't need it yet. So I'm getting a lot of value from CS3, as I'll be able to upgrade to CS5 (or CS6) at my leisure. -- gmail originated posts are filtered due to spam. |
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