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Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
On 11/10/2018 15.21, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R. wrote: Who really knows what files/folders/etc could be the target of some code "oops", let alone an actual targeted attack? that's what backups are for. if there's an oops, simply restore from a backup. no big deal. Only if you know that some data files were lost during the update. Why should they? the update deleted entire folders, which is very obvious, but regardless, if a desired file is missing, retrieve from a backup. it's not a big deal. and it's not just updates. users **** up and mistakenly delete files. buggy apps mistakenly delete files, or corrupt them. or, someone wants to revert to a previous version. anyone who doesn't have backups has only themselves to blame *when* (not if) they lose important data, not microsoft, apple, google, etc. I know people that do not know how to copy files to/from an usb stick. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
In article , MC
wrote: I was running a test of a Halloween lighting program on a Win 10 machine and several hours into the test the damn machine did an unexpected reboot. I normally run the program continuously starting a few days before Halloween. seems the activity monitor doesn't know this program is running. I've never had a Win 7 machine reboot on its own. The last thing one wants is for the system to go down in the middle of a 'show'. Windows 10 is designed to ensure updates do, indeed, take place. It is not, however, designed to update when it feels like it. This is so that workflow is not disrupted. There are ways built into Windows 10 to allow you to control when (not if) and how the update is implemented. If the update options and controls are set up correctly on your PC then any disruptions to your "show" will not happen. in other words, it *is* designed to update when it feels like it, but the user can defer it in some cases, but not all. most people won't even know where to begin to do that (and it's not possible in some cases), so for most people they will be interrupted when it's convenient for the os but not for them, which is exactly what happens. |
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Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote: Who really knows what files/folders/etc could be the target of some code "oops", let alone an actual targeted attack? that's what backups are for. if there's an oops, simply restore from a backup. no big deal. Only if you know that some data files were lost during the update. Why should they? the update deleted entire folders, which is very obvious, but regardless, if a desired file is missing, retrieve from a backup. it's not a big deal. and it's not just updates. users **** up and mistakenly delete files. buggy apps mistakenly delete files, or corrupt them. or, someone wants to revert to a previous version. anyone who doesn't have backups has only themselves to blame *when* (not if) they lose important data, not microsoft, apple, google, etc. I know people that do not know how to copy files to/from an usb stick. one need not know how to do that for backups to occur. |
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Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
In article , MC
wrote: I never know when mine is updating until I go to shut down. I then see the "Update and Shut down" rather than just "Shut down" on the Start menu. Then when I reboot next day it just goes into "Configuring windows" for a couple of minutes and straight back to desktop. No fuss, no bother, painless and straightforward. I see no problem whatsoever and certainly no "worse possible time". then you're the exception Probably because I have correctly set up the way updates work on my PC. it should be that way by default, without anyone needing to do anything special. requiring the user to tweak things so that it doesn't **** them over is why it's broken, and what's worse is that there are people who make excuses for it being broken. there are ****loads of examples and it's one of the biggest complaints about win10. I have not been through all the examples you have posted but most were old examples dating back to when Windows 10 was new and/or prior to when automatic updates were tweaked by MS. this was from 6 months ago, so most likely 1803 or possibly 1709, where win10 rebooted with *unsaved* *data*, causing data loss: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/c...s_10_home_how_ do_i_prevent_update_reboots/ Virtualbox VMs and Notepads may be open with unsaved data in them. This is non-negotiable. Windows 10 periodically kills these applications without respecting the unsaved data in them. How do I force windows 10 to never do this? I don't mind windows 10 restarting if there is no unsaved data. But unsaved data in an application should never ever ever be lost. *anything* that causes data loss is unacceptable. the update can be deferred, except not in all versions, and not one that's in progress: https://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-...ates-auto-rest arts-are-the-worst/ And while the next version of Windows will let you stave off updates for a 35-day period (if you paid extra for a Pro, Enterprise or Education-grade copy of Windows, which sounds like a moderate form of blackmail), my understanding is that even those versions won't let you cancel an update that's already been delayed and is now about to occur. Most of these examples also fall under the category of the user/admin not knowing how to prevent a reboot/implementation during workflow hrs. again, forcing the user to tweak things so that it doesn't **** them over is a major design defect. windows update is broken. it's that simple. If it is I have not noticed it. then you're in denial, the part you snipped: In article , nospam wrote: then you're the exception, or just in denial. |
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Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
Holy crap! Can you guys just fix whatever problem it is you have with Win10 so we can get back to something which resembles photography? ....or perhaps this is an issue better sorted out in a Win10 NG. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:54:09 -0700, Savageduck
wrote: Holy crap! Can you guys just fix whatever problem it is you have with Win10 so we can get back to something which resembles photography? It is related to photography. I had to upload some photos for my house listing, and that PC crashed once again, and wouldn't boot at all. No access to my processed photos. I think I have it fixed for good this time. I even got it updated to the newest version for the first time in 18 months. But now I think it might be a good idea to have LR on two PC's, and then keep them synced. |
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Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
In article , Bill W
wrote: Can you guys just fix whatever problem it is you have with Win10 so we can get back to something which resembles photography? It is related to photography. I had to upload some photos for my house listing, and that PC crashed once again, and wouldn't boot at all. No access to my processed photos. I think I have it fixed for good this time. did it involve explosives, and did you video it in hdr or slo-mo? |
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Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
In article , MC
wrote: windows update is broken. it's that simple. If it is I have not noticed it. then you're in denial, the part you snipped: What? I have nothing to be in denial of. As I have said, I have not experienced any negative issues with Windows 10 update. others definitely have. *many* others. a quick search shows zillions of hits with people experiencing this. I have, however, seen that there are, indeed, people complaining that they have experienced issues with Windows 10 Update, which you're ignoring. but these are invariably down to not correctly implementing procedures on their PC to prevent reboots happening when they do not want them to happen. nope. it's because windows update is fundamentally broken. the *default* should *not* interrupt people's workflow. In the cases where there has been data loss, it is the users responsibility to safeguard their data against "unforseen" circumstances (sudden reboots, power failure, software crashes, natural disasters and alien invasions etc.) by regularly saving their work and by using a miriad of backups options. yes, they should have backups, but under no circumstances should the os interrupt what someone is doing, especially not reboot with *unsaved* *data*, which is normally not backed up (although there are exceptions). if there's unsaved data, a reboot should block until the user chooses to save or not save. it's also easy for a computer to determine if it's not idle, especially when the os has facial recognition (windows hello). if there's a face in front of the display, do not auto-reboot. None of all this says to me that Windows 10 Update is "broken". All it says to me is that if your workflow and your data is of any value, you need to do a little bit of option ticking and unticking and implement decent backup procedures. All of which is common sense. what's common sense is for the *default* to *not* interrupt. offer the option for the user to enable auto-install at any time, if that is compatible with their workflow. not by default. it's backwards. The denial bit of your comment was snipped, by the way, because it was irrelevant. it was spot-on. |
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Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 16:30:35 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Bill W wrote: Can you guys just fix whatever problem it is you have with Win10 so we can get back to something which resembles photography? It is related to photography. I had to upload some photos for my house listing, and that PC crashed once again, and wouldn't boot at all. No access to my processed photos. I think I have it fixed for good this time. did it involve explosives, and did you video it in hdr or slo-mo? I shouldn't have even said "fixed". The boot process is munged, the drive doesn't appear in the bios, and I just don't want to spend the time fixing it. It's more like I found a reliable workaround (F8). Too boring for video... |
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Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
In article , Bill W
wrote: Can you guys just fix whatever problem it is you have with Win10 so we can get back to something which resembles photography? It is related to photography. I had to upload some photos for my house listing, and that PC crashed once again, and wouldn't boot at all. No access to my processed photos. I think I have it fixed for good this time. did it involve explosives, and did you video it in hdr or slo-mo? I shouldn't have even said "fixed". The boot process is munged, the drive doesn't appear in the bios, and I just don't want to spend the time fixing it. It's more like I found a reliable workaround (F8). Too boring for video... that's where the explosives come in... |
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