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A history of changes in Photoshop Elements?
In article , tony cooper
wrote: OK...I see what you're doing. You are making a selection that is a fixed size of 4" x 6" (and possibly a second selection that is 8" x 10"), saving them, and then loading them when you are finished with the image. I don't see how this is different from cropping (with either the crop tool or the marquee and EditCrop) as a last step. If do this, and then print before saving, I can delete the crop, crop in the other size, print the other size before saving, and then save in the original size. the difference is that the last step can be one of several, and i can continue retouching or adjusting without affecting the crop. |
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A history of changes in Photoshop Elements?
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:38:38 -0700, nospam
wrote: In article , tony cooper wrote: OK...I see what you're doing. You are making a selection that is a fixed size of 4" x 6" (and possibly a second selection that is 8" x 10"), saving them, and then loading them when you are finished with the image. I don't see how this is different from cropping (with either the crop tool or the marquee and EditCrop) as a last step. If do this, and then print before saving, I can delete the crop, crop in the other size, print the other size before saving, and then save in the original size. the difference is that the last step can be one of several, and i can continue retouching or adjusting without affecting the crop. I just don't understand. If you load the selection, Imagecrop, and then make other changes, how can you go back and delete the crop without also deleting the subsequent changes? I just tried it in CS4 and the subsequent change was deleted when I went to History and deleted the crop. I know you can *add* changes, but you can do that after a regular crop. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |
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A history of changes in Photoshop Elements?
In article , tony cooper
wrote: I just don't understand. If you load the selection, Imagecrop, and then make other changes, how can you go back and delete the crop without also deleting the subsequent changes? I just tried it in CS4 and the subsequent change was deleted when I went to History and deleted the crop. crop, print or save a copy, then undo the crop. you always work with the original full size image and never save the cropped image. only the crop mask is saved for later use. if you don't ever expect to make a change to the crop then there's no need to do any of this. in any event, lightroom makes this a whole lot easier. ten years ago, this was about the only way to do it. |
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A history of changes in Photoshop Elements?
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:27:52 -0700, nospam
wrote: In article , tony cooper wrote: I just don't understand. If you load the selection, Imagecrop, and then make other changes, how can you go back and delete the crop without also deleting the subsequent changes? I just tried it in CS4 and the subsequent change was deleted when I went to History and deleted the crop. crop, print or save a copy, then undo the crop. you always work with the original full size image and never save the cropped image. only the crop mask is saved for later use. if you don't ever expect to make a change to the crop then there's no need to do any of this. OK. However, the exact same result is possible using the crop tool and following the same steps less making the selection. Any of us who are experienced users of Photoshop know that there is always - always - more than one way to do something. We read posts in Photoshop newsgroups, tutorials, books, and magazines and check out and try other ways to do what we're already doing hoping for a better, faster, or easier way. Usually, we end up doing what we're comfortable with. in any event, lightroom makes this a whole lot easier. ten years ago, this was about the only way to do it. I like working on the full image and not cropping in Bridge. I want a sense of the whole image even though I know I'm going to crop it. I also use the whole image because sometimes my white, black and midtone points are outside of the crop area. I usually apply Curves to the image. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |
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A history of changes in Photoshop Elements?
On 6/19/09 2:49 PM, in article , "nospam" wrote: In article , John Navas wrote: If it's just a "crop", but not if other manipulation is to be applied, except as a new image. wrong. by saving the crop as a selection, other adjustments can be made and the crop reapplied at a later point. And the original image will still be lost. wrong. Whatever you say. i've been doing exactly that for over a decade until i switched to lightroom. it works as i described and telling me i can't do what i've been doing makes you look foolish. With that insult you concede the debate. Thanks for saving me the time. And feel free to rant on without me -- I'm giving you the last word. i was expecting that copy/paste. do you have a scrapbook of responses ready to go? it's always the *exact* same text, every time. maybe you're actually a bot. as i said, i've been doing non-destructive crops in photoshop for over a decade. it's not as easy as it is in lightroom but it works and not how you describe. the fact that you refuse to accept it says more about you than it does about me. and if you want to take that as an insult, by all means do so, because (here is an actual insult) you are stubborn and refuse to learn from others who might know more about something than you do. The facts a !. NavAss get bored and comes in here spouting a lot of nonsense. 2. People call him out because he is so full of ****. 3. He increases his crap post. 4. More people correct him. 5. He does not acknowledge the facts given and continues. 6. At some point, he finds something else (maybe his naval) to entertain his feeble mind and will go away for a few months, usually to another newsgroup to troll. 7. Rinse and repeat. |
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A history of changes in Photoshop Elements?
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tony cooper wrote: I like working on the full image and not cropping in Bridge. I want a sense of the whole image even though I know I'm going to crop it. I also use the whole image because sometimes my white, black and midtone points are outside of the crop area. I usually apply Curves to the image. Tony, for christs sake, just keep a copy of the original and forget all this mental masturbation. |
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A history of changes in Photoshop Elements?
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:16:20 -0700, clw wrote:
In article , tony cooper wrote: I like working on the full image and not cropping in Bridge. I want a sense of the whole image even though I know I'm going to crop it. I also use the whole image because sometimes my white, black and midtone points are outside of the crop area. I usually apply Curves to the image. Tony, for christs sake, just keep a copy of the original and forget all this mental masturbation. What are you talking about? I burn the original .dng file to disk and keep that. The above applies to what is done in Photoshop. At the end of the editing, I delete everything except the .dng and the finished file in whatever format is appropriate. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |
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A history of changes in Photoshop Elements?
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:33:18 -0700, John Navas
wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:24:58 -0400, tony cooper wrote in : On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:16:20 -0700, clw wrote: In article , tony cooper wrote: I like working on the full image and not cropping in Bridge. I want a sense of the whole image even though I know I'm going to crop it. I also use the whole image because sometimes my white, black and midtone points are outside of the crop area. I usually apply Curves to the image. Tony, for christs sake, just keep a copy of the original and forget all this mental masturbation. What are you talking about? I burn the original .dng file to disk and keep that. The above applies to what is done in Photoshop. At the end of the editing, I delete everything except the .dng and the finished file in whatever format is appropriate. My own practice is to make adjustments to original images as needed in layers, and save it as a PSD file for archiving. That way I can mess with the adjustment when I have better tools and/or more skill without having to start over. And I'm confident the PSD file format will be alive longer than me. I keep the .dng file and the .jpg for almost all images. If it's an image I'm particularly fond of, I'll also keep it as a .tiff with the layers. I don't routinely do this, though. In theory, it's a good idea to be able to go back to work on an image. In practice - at least, my own - I don't find myself doing that very often. The .dngs are burned to a disk and not kept on my hard drive. The ..jpgs are kept in folders by subject and date on my hard drive and copies on my external drive. The .psds are kept in a WORK file that is purged every month or so. Additionally, I will periodically burn two disks of my family photos and send one to my daughter and one to my son. The rest of the stuff is for my own enjoyment, and if it melts away it's no great loss. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |
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A history of changes in Photoshop Elements?
"michael adams" wrote:
"nospam" wrote in message .. . In article , michael adams wrote: No, anyone with experience may well have already set up a specific directory named "studio", "workshop", "lab", etc. into which they copy any file they're going to process, leaving the originals intact in their original directories. which doesn't solve the original poster's problem. Nothing presently being discussed can solve the original poster's problem. Merely possible ways of avoiding the same thing happening it in the future. michael adams ... Thanks Michael and other posters Looks like I need to crop the photo last instead of first and save the cropped copy as a seperate file. Regards Brian |
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A history of changes in Photoshop Elements?
tony cooper wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:41:20 -0700, nospam wrote: In article , tony cooper wrote: I cropped a photo then make some chages to the light and colour of the photo. I now find that the cropping was wrong. Is there a way to undo step one (the cropping) and leave the other changes I made to the photo? no. that's one of the advantages of lightroom - everything is non-destructive and you can undo changes, including crops. in photoshop, once you crop, those parts of the image are gone. Not quite. Once you close the file, the cropped-out parts are gone. obviously. However, before the file is closed, Control Z (un-do) or F12 (revert) restores the full image. you would need to undo all the way back to the crop step, losing any changes made after that, which is the situation the original poster is describing. Of course, anyone with experience will "save as" the cropped image and retain the original file. no, anyone with experience would save the crop as a selection to be used later, or use different software entirely. I can't think of a reason why. Not as a general rule, anyway. Normally you don't have much reason to undo a crop later in the process. You might crop, not like it, and then undo the crop and crop differently, but the Control Z just undoes the crop. The "save as" step protects the original and all steps before the "save as". Even if you crop as a selection and save the selection, it would be smart to "save as". My workflow is to download the RAW files (converted to .dng), do any necessary adjustments, and crop last. There might be times when I'll crop and then use the healing brush for some minor bits because I don't want to bother using the healing brush on bits outside of the crop area, though. Sharpening is another step I might hold to last, but that depends on how I sharpen and how much. In full Photoshop, during edits using adjustment layers, I'll "merge visible" holding the ALT key down with only the background copy layer and the adjustment layer with the eye on. This allows me to make another adjustment layer and keep the other AL available to change. Then I'll do a "save as". If it's a really complicated editing process, I may have three or four versions save at various steps. (I have both Elements 5.0 and CS4, but do editing using CS4. I keep E5.0 because that's what my daughter uses and I sometimes prepare some basic tutorials for her.) I haven't seen your method suggested in any of the books or tutorials, but perhaps I've just missed them. It seems like an unnecessary extra step just for the contingency of not liking the crop. Especially when a crop can be re-done multiple times with Control Z. I assume you have your reasons, though. Thanks Tony for your help. I started to crop photos for these reasons 1 So others can print them as a 6 x 4 inch photo without parts of the photo missing 2 so they could be shown on a TV without too much picture missing or reduced in size 3 To remove any distracting background After I had cropped photos that I wanted to use as a slideshow I watched them on TV and noticed that the part of the area at the top and bottom of the photos was missing. This was a problem when the person;s head is at the very top of the photo so I need to recrop these photos again as only part of the persons head is shown on a TV. Lucky for me that I still have the original photos in my camera. Regards Brian |
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