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I'm looking for a book on Photoshop - 'Inside Photoshop".
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 18:08:28 -0700, Savageduck
wrote: On Mar 23, 2018, Eric Stevens wrote (in ): On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 15:39:17 -0700, Savageduck wrote: On Mar 23, 2018, Eric Stevens wrote (in ): On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 19:44:34 -0400, "Mayayana" wrote: --- snip --- I'm sorry if that's not what you're looking for. I just don't know what else you can find out. It seemed clear enough to me when I wrote the original post but it's obvious I didn't make myself clear. Thinking about it, what I need is the equivalent of block diagrams with explanatory text. Sticking with my original example: what goes on inside PS when one creates a clipping mask? What graphic elements are used and how are they manipulated behind the scenes? I still don’t get where you are going, or what sort of thought exercise you are entertaining with this search into the inner workings of PS. For that matter you might as well ask for the same information on Alienskin Exposure X3, On1 Photo Raw 2018, Affinity Photo, etc. After all they all follow similar principles when it comes to creating clipping masks, and other graphics editing staples. What are you trying to achieve other than a thought exercise? Does it matter? I just would like to know. This is probably all stuff you are already aware of. However, there is a different approach (though a bit dated), and the references at the end might lead you to the end of your rainbow. http://computationalculture.net/inside-photoshop/ Actually, nospam, no doubt unintentionally, made a help ful remark when he said that clipping masks start with a trace. That presumanly means there is a hidden/temporary layer of some kind involved in the process. This is the kind of information I am after. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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I'm looking for a book on Photoshop - 'Inside Photoshop".
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 15:14:34 +1300, Eric Stevens
wrote: I still don’t get where you are going, or what sort of thought exercise you are entertaining with this search into the inner workings of PS. For that matter you might as well ask for the same information on Alienskin Exposure X3, On1 Photo Raw 2018, Affinity Photo, etc. After all they all follow similar principles when it comes to creating clipping masks, and other graphics editing staples. What are you trying to achieve other than a thought exercise? Does it matter? I just would like to know. I'm not sure if you are the OP in this topic and I did not read the start of this thread, but I am gonna make a comment. In the early 90s I got Paint Shop Pro, which was shareware. I never had to read books or anything, I just began using it and learned all it's tricks as I went along. I upgraded it several times and some of the later versions seemed to get a little too bloated and complicated. But PSP is a program where more than one version can be installed on the same computer, so I kept the older versions installed as well as the newer ones, and can select which one I want. Several years ago, I bought a used copy of Photoshop 5. (which is probably pretty old by now). I installed it and to this day, I am still scratching my head every time I try to use it. Photoshop is NOT easy to learn or use. And Im sure the newer versions are evne more bloated and hard to use. I occasionally use Photoshop for a few special effects it can do, but for 90% of my photo editing and common graphic creations, I just use my old Paint Shop Pro. It's easy, self explanatory, and gets the job done, without the need to read books, consult manuals and get your nerves stressed out. If photoshop is frustrating you, download a free copy of PSP. Go to any of the sites that have older software, such as www.oldapps.com Download it and enjoy it. Yes, it was shareware, so there is a nag screen to register it when it starts up, but it dont expire or quit working. I paid and registered on of the older versions, but did not do so on the newer one that I dont use real often. Note: Paint Shop Pro was sold to Corel some years ago. It is no longer free. It's cheaper than Photoshop, but still costs quite a bit. The last shareware version was getting too bloated for my tastes, so I never have bought the Corel one. I'm perfectly happy with the older versions. I dont know if PSP works with Windows 10, because I still use Win XP. But if it does work, there is no reason to NOT install both Photoshop and PSP. |
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I'm looking for a book on Photoshop - 'Inside Photoshop".
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| | Note: Paint Shop Pro was sold to Corel some years ago. It is no longer | free. It's cheaper than Photoshop, but still costs quite a bit. The last | shareware version was getting too bloated for my tastes, so I never have | bought the Corel one. I'm perfectly happy with the older versions. | I do the same thing, but would note that PSP5, which I still use for most things, was not shareware. (I did get PSP4 for free once with a router. But as I recall, PS5 and PSP5 were dramatic changes, providing mulitple undo for the first time. I paid $100 for it in '99. But it can be found for free now. It never had any kind of activation key to begin with. Like a lot of software back then, you just had to have a disk to install it. I now have PSP5 and 16. I use 16 occasionally but 5 for most basic things. I don't think I've ever actually wanted to use a "clipping mask". I just copy and paste selections. It surprises me that no one has moved into the glaring software gap that now exists: Corel makes a usable but overly bloated and inflexible product. Adobe make a grossly overpriced product that's now rental only. Then there are a myriad smaller programs that might work well for some things but not everything. And of course there's GIMP, limping along after some 25 years of development and still not evn having a proper multiple document interface. There's a wide-open slot for anyone who might make a first-class graphics program for, say, $100. |
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I'm looking for a book on Photoshop - 'Inside Photoshop".
On Mar 26, 2018, Mayayana wrote
(in article ): wrote Note: Paint Shop Pro was sold to Corel some years ago. It is no longer free. It's cheaper than Photoshop, but still costs quite a bit. The last shareware version was getting too bloated for my tastes, so I never have bought the Corel one. I'm perfectly happy with the older versions. I do the same thing, but would note that PSP5, which I still use for most things, was not shareware. (I did get PSP4 for free once with a router. But as I recall, PS5 and PSP5 were dramatic changes, providing mulitple undo for the first time. I paid $100 for it in '99. But it can be found for free now. It never had any kind of activation key to begin with. Like a lot of software back then, you just had to have a disk to install it. I now have PSP5 and 16. I use 16 occasionally but 5 for most basic things. I don't think I've ever actually wanted to use a "clipping mask". I just copy and paste selections. It surprises me that no one has moved into the glaring software gap that now exists: Corel makes a usable but overly bloated and inflexible product. Adobe make a grossly overpriced product that's now rental only. Then there are a myriad smaller programs that might work well for some things but not everything. And of course there's GIMP, limping along after some 25 years of development and still not evn having a proper multiple document interface. There's a wide-open slot for anyone who might make a first-class graphics program for, say, $100. You should pay attention, that slot (for photography) is rapidly being filled by applications such as the following, all of which can be installed as Photoshop/Lightroom plugins, or very functional standalone applications. All use a layered non-destructive RAW workflow: Alienskin Exposure X3. https://www.alienskin.com/exposure/ On1 Photo Raw 2018. https://www.on1.com Affinity Photo. https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/photo/ Luminar 2018. https://skylum.com/luminar -- Regards, Savageduck |
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I'm looking for a book on Photoshop - 'Inside Photoshop".
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wrote: I'm not sure if you are the OP in this topic and I did not read the start of this thread, but I am gonna make a comment. you should, because your comment is not relevant to the original question. In the early 90s I got Paint Shop Pro, which was shareware. I never had to read books or anything, I just began using it and learned all it's tricks as I went along. I upgraded it several times and some of the later versions seemed to get a little too bloated and complicated. But PSP is a program where more than one version can be installed on the same computer, so I kept the older versions installed as well as the newer ones, and can select which one I want. that's because paint shop pro doesn't do much. Several years ago, I bought a used copy of Photoshop 5. (which is probably pretty old by now). photoshop 5 came out in 1998, making it 20 years old. I installed it and to this day, I am still scratching my head every time I try to use it. Photoshop is NOT easy to learn or use. And Im sure the newer versions are evne more bloated and hard to use. nonsense. photoshop is one of the easiest to use apps around, designed by artists for other artists. it does have some more advanced features, which can be ignored if you don't need to use them. I occasionally use Photoshop for a few special effects it can do, but for 90% of my photo editing and common graphic creations, I just use my old Paint Shop Pro. It's easy, self explanatory, and gets the job done, without the need to read books, consult manuals and get your nerves stressed out. then you're doing something very wrong. |
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I'm looking for a book on Photoshop - 'Inside Photoshop".
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wrote: I don't think I've ever actually wanted to use a "clipping mask". I just copy and paste selections. what do you think copying a selection is doing under the hood? It surprises me that no one has moved into the glaring software gap that now exists: Corel makes a usable but overly bloated and inflexible product. Adobe make a grossly overpriced product that's now rental only. surprising as it may seem, adobe makes more than one product, some of which can be purchased outright. Then there are a myriad smaller programs that might work well for some things but not everything. And of course there's GIMP, limping along after some 25 years of development and still not evn having a proper multiple document interface. that's actually one of the things gimp gets right. mdi is *awful*. There's a wide-open slot for anyone who might make a first-class graphics program for, say, $100. you mean, like adobe already does? |
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I'm looking for a book on Photoshop - 'Inside Photoshop".
"Savageduck" wrote
| | You should pay attention, that slot (for photography) is rapidly being filled | by applications such as the following, all of which can be installed as | Photoshop/Lightroom plugins, or very functional standalone applications. Why are they plugins for PS if they're equivalent to PS? These questions come up from friends and I don't have one good answer to give them. I can use PSP5/16 and AfterShot Pro. But f there were even just a better program for non-RAW I'd buy it. I do some RAW work, but in that case I'll typically optimize it and then save it out as BMP/TIF for work in PSP. I also do a lot of trying to optimize poor photos, for things like website work. I might need to sharpen, brighten, remove background, etc. And I do a lot of simple diagrams for work. PSP5 is OK for most of that except that functions for things like sharpening are outdated. PSP16 is up-to-date but is bloated and poorly designed. (I can't even choose to not have a black window! And it has a silly 3-part interface. One part is a file explorer window. One is a quick-fix window. One is the normal edit window. All I want is edit, but I have to wait while it loads all 3. That kind of bad design is evident throughout the program.) So what I'd like, and would recommend to others, would be an intuitive, lean program with all of the basics to deal with drawing, color, contrast, layers, etc. Personally I don't use the gimmicky plugins. But a program that can use them is nice to have, I suppose. Who knows when I might want to make a 3-D button or render "colored pencil" style for a birthday card. |
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I'm looking for a book on Photoshop - 'Inside Photoshop".
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wrote: | You should pay attention, that slot (for photography) is rapidly being filled | by applications such as the following, all of which can be installed as | Photoshop/Lightroom plugins, or very functional standalone applications. Why are they plugins for PS if they're equivalent to PS? read it again, this time slowly. These questions come up from friends and I don't have one good answer to give them. imagine that. I can use PSP5/16 and AfterShot Pro. But f there were even just a better program for non-RAW I'd buy it. there is and you wouldn't. I do some RAW work, but in that case I'll typically optimize it and then save it out as BMP/TIF for work in PSP. *completely* negating the advantages of raw. I also do a lot of trying to optimize poor photos, for things like website work. I might need to sharpen, brighten, remove background, etc. And I do a lot of simple diagrams for work. you're clearly using the wrong apps. |
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I'm looking for a book on Photoshop - 'Inside Photoshop".
On 2018-03-26 14:11:29 +0000, Mayayana said:
Why are they plugins for PS if they're equivalent to PS? You can use them in layers. They often works with the perpetuate, low cost licence Photoline too. https://www.pl32.com/ LightZone is a free alternative, both in cost and approach to editing but you have to do without plugins. https://github.com/ktgw0316/LightZone/releases -- teleportation kills |
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I'm looking for a book on Photoshop - 'Inside Photoshop".
On Mar 26, 2018, Mayayana wrote
(in article ): wrote You should pay attention, that slot (for photography) is rapidly being filled by applications such as the following, all of which can be installed as Photoshop/Lightroom plugins, or very functional standalone applications. Why are they plugins for PS if they're equivalent to PS? Nobody has said they are equivalent to PS. However, as standalone apps they provide many of the editing features found in PS just as they are found in PSE, PSP, and GIMP. They are available as plugins for PS/LR because they offer some features which produce effects which would take time, and a deeper knowledge of PS. They also offer features such as the excellent film emulations/simulations found in Exposure X3. Doing that adds to what can be done when using PS, or LR as primary photo editing software. They each have different algorithms for tools such as sharpening, and making selections for masks, sometimes some folks feel that the different rendering is better for the sort of results they are trying to achieve. Of course, many times it isn’t going to make much difference at all which you choose to use. ....and then the withering on the vine (with suspended development), free NIK Collection is still available for those folks looking to experiment. These questions come up from friends and I don't have one good answer to give them. I can use PSP5/16 and AfterShot Pro. But f there were even just a better program for non-RAW I'd buy it. Each of the programs under discussion will work just fine on standard graphics file types, and add some of their particular stuff to results. However, as with Adobe there is much that can only be done with RAW files. I do some RAW work, but in that case I'll typically optimize it and then save it out as BMP/TIF for work in PSP. I also do a lot of trying to optimize poor photos, for things like website work. I might need to sharpen, brighten, remove background, etc. And I do a lot of simple diagrams for work. Well, you are going to do what ever it is you do. Personally I have a RAW LR/PS workflow. PSP5 is OK for most of that except that functions for things like sharpening are outdated. PSP16 is up-to-date but is bloated and poorly designed. (I can't even choose to not have a black window! And it has a silly 3-part interface. One part is a file explorer window. One is a quick-fix window. One is the normal edit window. All I want is edit, but I have to wait while it loads all 3. That kind of bad design is evident throughout the program.) Makes you wonder why you choose to suffer so. So what I'd like, and would recommend to others, would be an intuitive, lean program with all of the basics to deal with drawing, color, contrast, layers, etc. Personally I don't use the gimmicky plugins. But a program that can use them is nice to have, I suppose. Who knows when I might want to make a 3-D button or render "colored pencil" style for a birthday card. Yup! Who knows? -- Regards, Savageduck |
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