50x and 60x zoom cameras

On 2014-01-15 02:00:40 +0000, Mort said:

Alfred Molon wrote:
In article , Mort says...
I said trouwen (to marry)
instead of vertrouwen (to trust), to a lady fiend, and it was
uncomfortable when I realized my error and quickly explained.

There is a similar word in German ("trauen"), spelled differently but
pronounced in the same way. The meaning can be both trust and marry.


To make it more complicated, there is a German word "heiraten" which
means to marry.

At my late stage in life, I'll remain a single widower.

So, there are more of us solo flyers here.
It is not a group I wish any to join. I have been on my own for 5 years
now. (My step daughter from hell doesn't count) Other than the rare
date, my social life (with the opposite sex) remains much that of a
stump.
That said, i still consider myself a young and reasonably healthy old
fart at 65, and I don't rule out some future long term relationship.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

Savageduck wrote:
So, there are more of us solo flyers here.
It is not a group I wish any to join. I have been on my own for 5 years
now. (My step daughter from hell doesn't count) Other than the rare
date, my social life (with the opposite sex) remains much that of a stump.
That said, i still consider myself a young and reasonably healthy old
fart at 65, and I don't rule out some future long term relationship.



That's a wonderful attitude,and I admire you for it. At age 85, albeit
still healthy and functioning, I have a different outlook, which is
rather short term. A nice restaurant meal followed by a nice classical
music concert with the company of a pleasant lady, is "a consummation
devoutly to be wished". Anything beyond that will probably remain in the
realm of dreams, although I am not averse to being pleasantly surprised.

Good luck.

Mort Linder

On 2014-01-15 03:36:21 +0000, Mort said:

Savageduck wrote:
So, there are more of us solo flyers here.
It is not a group I wish any to join. I have been on my own for 5 years
now. (My step daughter from hell doesn't count) Other than the rare
date, my social life (with the opposite sex) remains much that of a stump.
That said, i still consider myself a young and reasonably healthy old
fart at 65, and I don't rule out some future long term relationship.



That's a wonderful attitude,and I admire you for it. At age 85, albeit
still healthy and functioning, I have a different outlook, which is
rather short term. A nice restaurant meal followed by a nice classical
music concert with the company of a pleasant lady, is "a consummation
devoutly to be wished". Anything beyond that will probably remain in
the realm of dreams, although I am not averse to being pleasantly
surprised.

My 90 year old father, who is in good health and reasonably active is
pretty much a cradle snatcher with his 78 year old girl friend. So I
hold onto some unrealistic expectations for my future. There has to be
a babe out there who is vulnerable to my charms. ;-)

Here is my 90 year old Dad & 78 year old Barbara.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil.../IMG_0079w.jpg
....and his lady catching him in the elevator at his new apartment.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...x/DSCN2716.JPG


--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 14/01/2014 21:16, Savageduck wrote:
[]
Aah! The digital darkroom, a wonderful thing. Just note David is telling
us he used to shoot slides. With that there was little to no, user
processing, only getting it right in the camera. He didn't even have the
fun of a wet darkroom to consider, just whatever the lab returned to him.

When photographers say: "I try to get everything right in-camera." They
actually mean; "I try to get everything right in-camera, but mostly I
have to fix things in Photoshop."
When photographers say; "I only carry out minimal post-processing." They
actually mean: "Photoshop confuses the heck out of me. I can move those
sliders around a bit, but I really have no idea of what I am doing."

As much as some of the "getting it right in the camera" school try to
hold to film shooting convention, there isn't a direct extrapolation
from film to digital. Once basic exposure settings are dealt with, if
the shooter is shooting JPEG he is going to have to contend with WB,
saturation, sharpening, and a few other things which can be done in the
camera. However, if he is shooting RAW, there will be a computer in
workflow.

Even with digital photography, getting the exposure right in the camera
is worthwhile doing, even if you choose to use RAW rather than JPEG.
Getting the framing right may teach one something about composition -
and here using the iPad is an interesting experience. I try to minimise
post-processing, but I do use it when needed. With the camera set
correctly, I find that sharpening, white balance and saturation very
rarely need adjustment. I happen /not/ to use a particular over-priced
brand of software. I prefer to enjoy the images rather than spend ages
fiddling with them on the computer.

As you know, I'm not into "art" photography.

Oh, and I have used a wet darkroom in the past and processed my own
monochrome film and prints, and have no wish to go back to one, thanks.

--
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

In article 2014011420561985698-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
says...

On 2014-01-15 03:36:21 +0000, Mort said:

Savageduck wrote:
So, there are more of us solo flyers here.
It is not a group I wish any to join. I have been on my own for 5 years
now. (My step daughter from hell doesn't count) Other than the rare
date, my social life (with the opposite sex) remains much that of a stump.
That said, i still consider myself a young and reasonably healthy old
fart at 65, and I don't rule out some future long term relationship.



That's a wonderful attitude,and I admire you for it. At age 85, albeit
still healthy and functioning, I have a different outlook, which is
rather short term. A nice restaurant meal followed by a nice classical
music concert with the company of a pleasant lady, is "a consummation
devoutly to be wished". Anything beyond that will probably remain in
the realm of dreams, although I am not averse to being pleasantly
surprised.

My 90 year old father, who is in good health and reasonably active is
pretty much a cradle snatcher with his 78 year old girl friend. So I
hold onto some unrealistic expectations for my future. There has to be
a babe out there who is vulnerable to my charms. ;-)

Here is my 90 year old Dad & 78 year old Barbara.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil.../IMG_0079w.jpg
...and his lady catching him in the elevator at his new apartment.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...x/DSCN2716.JPG

You've just got to find some sweet young thing who's kinky for aulde
fartes with cameras. If you find one see if she has a sister . . .

In article 2014011420561985698-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
says...

On 2014-01-15 03:36:21 +0000, Mort said:

Savageduck wrote:
So, there are more of us solo flyers here.
It is not a group I wish any to join. I have been on my own for 5 years
now. (My step daughter from hell doesn't count) Other than the rare
date, my social life (with the opposite sex) remains much that of a stump.
That said, i still consider myself a young and reasonably healthy old
fart at 65, and I don't rule out some future long term relationship.



That's a wonderful attitude,and I admire you for it. At age 85, albeit
still healthy and functioning, I have a different outlook, which is
rather short term. A nice restaurant meal followed by a nice classical
music concert with the company of a pleasant lady, is "a consummation
devoutly to be wished". Anything beyond that will probably remain in
the realm of dreams, although I am not averse to being pleasantly
surprised.

My 90 year old father, who is in good health and reasonably active is
pretty much a cradle snatcher with his 78 year old girl friend. So I
hold onto some unrealistic expectations for my future. There has to be
a babe out there who is vulnerable to my charms. ;-)

As an afterthought, this is one area where digital is not better. I
remember one of my fellow students in high school started dating this
girl who everybody thought was way out of his league (he looked like
Woody Allen, she looked like Diana Rigg). He explained to her that he
was standing outside the school darkroom with his camera when she walked
by. He snapped a photo of her, she noticed and commented, he invited
her into the darkroom to see how it came out. At some point the photo
got developed and printed. What else happened in the darkroom he left
to our imaginations but obviously she found it to be acceptable.

She didn't marry him but she did marry another photographer.

Here is my 90 year old Dad & 78 year old Barbara.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil.../IMG_0079w.jpg
...and his lady catching him in the elevator at his new apartment.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...x/DSCN2716.JPG

On 2014-01-15 12:37:46 +0000, "J. Clarke" said:

In article 2014011420561985698-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
says...

On 2014-01-15 03:36:21 +0000, Mort said:

Savageduck wrote:
So, there are more of us solo flyers here.
It is not a group I wish any to join. I have been on my own for 5 years
now. (My step daughter from hell doesn't count) Other than the rare
date, my social life (with the opposite sex) remains much that of a stump.
That said, i still consider myself a young and reasonably healthy old
fart at 65, and I don't rule out some future long term relationship.



That's a wonderful attitude,and I admire you for it. At age 85, albeit
still healthy and functioning, I have a different outlook, which is
rather short term. A nice restaurant meal followed by a nice classical
music concert with the company of a pleasant lady, is "a consummation
devoutly to be wished". Anything beyond that will probably remain in
the realm of dreams, although I am not averse to being pleasantly
surprised.

My 90 year old father, who is in good health and reasonably active is
pretty much a cradle snatcher with his 78 year old girl friend. So I
hold onto some unrealistic expectations for my future. There has to be
a babe out there who is vulnerable to my charms. ;-)

As an afterthought, this is one area where digital is not better. I
remember one of my fellow students in high school started dating this
girl who everybody thought was way out of his league (he looked like
Woody Allen, she looked like Diana Rigg). He explained to her that he
was standing outside the school darkroom with his camera when she walked
by. He snapped a photo of her, she noticed and commented, he invited
her into the darkroom to see how it came out. At some point the photo
got developed and printed. What else happened in the darkroom he left
to our imaginations but obviously she found it to be acceptable.

She didn't marry him but she did marry another photographer.

Now that is chemistry for you. ;-)

There us a lot to be said for chemistry, it gave me 30 years with my
wife who was way out of my league. I thought of her as being an Audrey
Hepburn type. I was lucky.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/Sue_Ac2.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...Sue-TM-Ec1.jpg


Here is my 90 year old Dad & 78 year old Barbara.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil.../IMG_0079w.jpg
...and his lady catching him in the elevator at his new apartment.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...x/DSCN2716.JPG


--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2014-01-15 12:33:25 +0000, "J. Clarke" said:

In article 2014011420561985698-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
says...

On 2014-01-15 03:36:21 +0000, Mort said:

Savageduck wrote:
So, there are more of us solo flyers here.
It is not a group I wish any to join. I have been on my own for 5 years
now. (My step daughter from hell doesn't count) Other than the rare
date, my social life (with the opposite sex) remains much that of a stump.
That said, i still consider myself a young and reasonably healthy old
fart at 65, and I don't rule out some future long term relationship.



That's a wonderful attitude,and I admire you for it. At age 85, albeit
still healthy and functioning, I have a different outlook, which is
rather short term. A nice restaurant meal followed by a nice classical
music concert with the company of a pleasant lady, is "a consummation
devoutly to be wished". Anything beyond that will probably remain in
the realm of dreams, although I am not averse to being pleasantly
surprised.

My 90 year old father, who is in good health and reasonably active is
pretty much a cradle snatcher with his 78 year old girl friend. So I
hold onto some unrealistic expectations for my future. There has to be
a babe out there who is vulnerable to my charms. ;-)

Here is my 90 year old Dad & 78 year old Barbara.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil.../IMG_0079w.jpg
...and his lady catching him in the elevator at his new apartment.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...x/DSCN2716.JPG

You've just got to find some sweet young thing who's kinky for aulde
fartes with cameras. If you find one see if she has a sister . . .

If I do you will be the first to know.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2014-01-15 15:54:15 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 08:27:54 +0000, David Taylor
wrote:

Even with digital photography, getting the exposure right in the camera
is worthwhile doing, even if you choose to use RAW rather than JPEG.
Getting the framing right may teach one something about composition -
and here using the iPad is an interesting experience. I try to minimise
post-processing, but I do use it when needed. With the camera set
correctly, I find that sharpening, white balance and saturation very
rarely need adjustment. I happen /not/ to use a particular over-priced
brand of software. I prefer to enjoy the images rather than spend ages
fiddling with them on the computer.


There's an implication - even if not intended - in your statement that
those of us who do engage in post-processing using that brand of
software are not making a significant enough effort to "get it right
in camera".

There is always the question; "What is right in-camera?"

What is "right" often depends on the conditions. While I seldom do
landscape photography, I find that it is easy to "get it right in
camera" when the scene is relatively non-specific and non-moving. If
there was a mountain to photograph in Florida, I could take the time
to adjust the settings and frame the photograph and get it right in
camera. There are other scenes in which that preparation is not as
easy.

....and even with landscapes it is not that simple as many cameras have
different characteristics which can disappoint and frustrate even when
you might believe you have it "right in camera".
Sometimes you have to anticipate that the digital "in camera settings"
might not meet your expectations for what might be produced with
in-camera settings with film/slide.

One of the major advantages of that software is that it can be used to
overcome conditions wherein getting it right in camera is impossible.
You can't move some objects to reduce shadows, but you can bring out
details in post that the camera captures in shadow.

....and while I know you do not particularly care for HDR, there is a
time to anticipate the problem and shoot an exposure bracket.
With this example there is a three shot bracket -1, 0, +1 and the
resulting HDR. I could not get a decent image from any of the
individual exposures, with post & HDR I was able to produce something
reasonably acceptable.
,
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lx56l61b7...Tioga-Olmstead



I spend a lot of time in post, but I think that this allows me to make
better photographs when the conditions in which I took the photo would
not allow improvement in-camera.

Agreed.


As you know, I'm not into "art" photography.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. A photograph that is
well-composed and taken with the right settings, but not adjusted in
post, is just as much "art" - bad or good - as any other photograph.

Is your meaning that "art" photos are those that excessively adjusted
in post? If so, that's a very limited view of "art".


--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 15/01/2014 15:54, Tony Cooper wrote:
[]
There's an implication - even if not intended - in your statement that
those of us who do engage in post-processing using that brand of
software are not making a significant enough effort to "get it right
in camera".

Not intended, but you should certainly make some effort to avoid major
exposure errors which cannot subsequently be corrected.

What is "right" often depends on the conditions. While I seldom do
landscape photography, I find that it is easy to "get it right in
camera" when the scene is relatively non-specific and non-moving. If
there was a mountain to photograph in Florida, I could take the time
to adjust the settings and frame the photograph and get it right in
camera. There are other scenes in which that preparation is not as
easy.

One of the major advantages of that software is that it can be used to
overcome conditions wherein getting it right in camera is impossible.
You can't move some objects to reduce shadows, but you can bring out
details in post that the camera captures in shadow.

I spend a lot of time in post, but I think that this allows me to make
better photographs when the conditions in which I took the photo would
not allow improvement in-camera.

I prefer not to spend a lot of time in post-processing. Different folk,
different needs.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. A photograph that is
well-composed and taken with the right settings, but not adjusted in
post, is just as much "art" - bad or good - as any other photograph.

Is your meaning that "art" photos are those that excessively adjusted
in post? If so, that's a very limited view of "art".

My photos are mostly a memory aid for myself - if they happen to please
other people, that's an added advantage. Making master pieces is not my
aim.

--
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu