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  #41  
Old November 14th 17, 09:04 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Tony Cooper
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The sad thing is they don't get it.

they get that there are apple haters who have absolutely nothing better
to do than bash.

You have a strange understanding of what the word "hate" means.
There's no "hate" involved in not wanting to join the Mac brigade.


saying 'join the mac brigade' clearly indicates hatred.


Nothing "hateful" about that.


yes there most certainly is.

the rest of your bull**** snipped again because you are only interested
in arguing. it's all you do.
  #42  
Old November 14th 17, 11:32 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:18:31 -0500, nospam
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In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

The sad thing is they don't get it.

they get that there are apple haters who have absolutely nothing better
to do than bash.


You have a strange understanding of what the word "hate" means.
There's no "hate" involved in not wanting to join the Mac brigade.


saying 'join the mac brigade' clearly indicates hatred.


You are daft!

You also have a strange understanding of the word "bash". Most of
what you regard as "bashing" is simply expressing a lack of interest
in something. What is "bashed", using the true sense of the word, is
the stick-up-the-ass people like you who denigrate non-Mac-users for
no good reason and make wild claims.


i do not denigrate anyone.

not only are you overflowing with hatred, but you lie about it.

the rest of your bull**** snipped.


That all sounds like hatred to me.
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  #43  
Old November 14th 17, 11:47 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

The sad thing is they don't get it.

they get that there are apple haters who have absolutely nothing better
to do than bash.

You have a strange understanding of what the word "hate" means.
There's no "hate" involved in not wanting to join the Mac brigade.


saying 'join the mac brigade' clearly indicates hatred.


You are daft!


there's nothing daft about it. name calling is a fundamental
characteristic of hatred.

You also have a strange understanding of the word "bash". Most of
what you regard as "bashing" is simply expressing a lack of interest
in something. What is "bashed", using the true sense of the word, is
the stick-up-the-ass people like you who denigrate non-Mac-users for
no good reason and make wild claims.


i do not denigrate anyone.

not only are you overflowing with hatred, but you lie about it.

the rest of your bull**** snipped.


That all sounds like hatred to me.


it's not hatred to out someone's hypocrisy and lying.
  #44  
Old November 15th 17, 12:27 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2017-11-13 17:48, nospam wrote:
In article , Alan Browne
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No. It's crappy advice. Apple will not merge iOS and MacOS despite
greater and greater integration and interoperability between them
(across apps via iCloud and local comms services such as handover).

it depends what you call merge.

under the hood, they're already merged, since both are os x, but with a
different user interface layer and minor other differences.


It's not OS X.


yes it most certainly is os x.


Not at all. But as usual, just say no (nope, nadda, etc.).


It has a lot of OS X components


because it's os x.


It isn't. The essentials of OS X have been blocked or stripped away.
It is iOS for a good reason. 'Cause that is WHAT it is. A mobile
device appliance OS.



but its behaviour, most
notably in the user relationship to the file system is completely
different.


more accurately, the ui layer is the major difference, specifically
appkit versus uikit.

the mac does provide direct file system access, but it's not normally
needed, so that falls into the minor category.


Horse****. Most Apps for Mac are written around the notion that the
file system is widely and almost completely accessible. Most users
access their filespace directly some or most of the time.


there are other minor differences, such as ios not including useless
crap such as man pages or drivers for hardware that will never exist on
any ios device.

Likewise wrt to the gammut of i/o for MacOS v the thin world
of iOS.


there's nothing thin about it.

in fact, some frameworks show up on ios before they do on the mac.


Because they're appropriate to iOS and less so (or not at all) to a
desktop environment.



The main difference is that iOS is mainly a "consumption and capture"
device whereas a Mac is a mainly "workstation and creation" device.
There is overlap (when isn't there?). But they will remain very
separate for many years to come.

that's a myth.

both platforms serve both purposes, depending on the user and tasks.


Wow - what contradiction in one phrase.


there's no contradiction.

different people use ios devices and macs for different things, a
concept you refuse to accept.


There use cases for both that do not have a usable and convenient
overlap area. That is something you refuse to admit because it takes
away your usual combative nonsense posture.


some users consume, some create and some do both, regardless of device,
and not just with macs or ios devices either.

That said, the higher end iPads are becoming desktop class devices in
computing and graphics power.

they already are and have been for a while.

the a11 chip benchmarks faster than recent macbook pros.

But they are hampered to a degree where
storage and peripherals are concerned.

not really

Really. Don't see many Thunderbolt class peripherals running at full
tilt in an iOS environment. Try printing a 4 colour separation from iOS
... etc. Indeed using iOS where a lot of files are in use is pretty
lame all around. It's just not oriented to that.


that's one highly specific use case and you know it.


No. It's not. It's what most creatives actually use. iOS programmers
(lot of them given the apps out there) do their work mainly on Macs.
Not iOS machines.


plenty of people create and edit videos & photos, create and edit
music, write novels or papers and much more, entirely on an ipad or
iphone.


Within the limitations of that experience, that's fine. It's not
optimal for a lot of creative use that needs a larger screen, keyboard,
large disk access, etc.


iOS / iDevices are thinly interfaced. Which is fine for what they do.


anyone who thinks that is not using ios devices to their potential.



No. They're not using them where they can't be used because there's no
file access or particular sorts of i/o access. iOS and such devices are
limited for good reason. There's nothing wrong with that. But to
compare to a full Mac is ludicrous. Oh, yeah. It's you.




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  #45  
Old November 15th 17, 12:29 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2017-11-13 17:48, nospam wrote:
In article , Alan Browne
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No issue for 1080 - used to do that with my SO's prior MBA w/o issue and
it was slow.

there absolutely is an issue with 1080p.

both my '08 and '09 macbook pros drop frames with 1080p, and the latter
has an ssd.


Sucks to be you - did same with aforementioned MBA w/o issue. SSD is
irrelevant since the HD has way more that enough BW to deliver the content.


ssd is very relevant and has made a noticeable difference in overall
performance on my '09 mbp, but even with an ssd, there absolutely is an
issue with 1080p.

i tried it prior to posting my previous post and it was dropping frames
like crazy and losing sync.


No issues here. And the BW of a hard disk in a notebook far exceeds the
BW required for 1080p. I guess your machine is faulty or you're using a
badly encoded video.

Snipped the rest as it's just your usual crap.

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  #46  
Old November 15th 17, 12:43 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

You also have a strange understanding of the word "bash". Most of
what you regard as "bashing" is simply expressing a lack of interest
in something. What is "bashed", using the true sense of the word, is
the stick-up-the-ass people like you who denigrate non-Mac-users for
no good reason and make wild claims.

i do not denigrate anyone.

not only are you overflowing with hatred, but you lie about it.

the rest of your bull**** snipped.

That all sounds like hatred to me.


it's not hatred to out someone's hypocrisy and lying.


Not always. I do not hate you because you lied about the sales of Mac
units being "millions" "every single day". I do not hate you because
you were hypocritical in snipping that claim and my refuting of that
claim.


it's an expression, not a mathematical proof.

you're so full of hate that you can't tell the difference.

if that's the only thing you can find to argue about, then i was
exactly on target.

and let's not forget your colossal ****up with the dcc discussion,
which you still have yet to admit you knew nothing about it and likely
still don't understand it.
  #47  
Old November 15th 17, 12:43 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

The sad thing is they don't get it.

they get that there are apple haters who have absolutely nothing better
to do than bash.

You have a strange understanding of what the word "hate" means.
There's no "hate" involved in not wanting to join the Mac brigade.

saying 'join the mac brigade' clearly indicates hatred.


You are daft!


nospam is notoriously ignorant of the meaning of words. A "brigade",
in the non-military sense, is a "group of individuals". It's like
saying "...join the Mac users group".


no, it's nothing like that at all.

it is intentionally derogatory and you know it.
  #48  
Old November 15th 17, 12:43 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Alan Browne
wrote:

No. It's crappy advice. Apple will not merge iOS and MacOS despite
greater and greater integration and interoperability between them
(across apps via iCloud and local comms services such as handover).

it depends what you call merge.

under the hood, they're already merged, since both are os x, but with a
different user interface layer and minor other differences.

It's not OS X.


yes it most certainly is os x.


Not at all. But as usual, just say no (nope, nadda, etc.).


i will say no when you're completely wrong. worse, you refuse to learn.

someone named steve agrees with me, not you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VLb5XdxRm8&t=3m57s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-a_R6ewrmM&t=1h28m08s

you have *no* clue. none whatsoever.

It has a lot of OS X components


because it's os x.


It isn't.


it absolutely is os x.

The essentials of OS X have been blocked or stripped away.


not only is that wrong, but some frameworks are introduced on ios
*before* the mac.

the rest of your ignorant babble snipped.
  #49  
Old November 15th 17, 12:43 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Alan Browne
wrote:

No issue for 1080 - used to do that with my SO's prior MBA w/o issue and
it was slow.

there absolutely is an issue with 1080p.

both my '08 and '09 macbook pros drop frames with 1080p, and the latter
has an ssd.

Sucks to be you - did same with aforementioned MBA w/o issue. SSD is
irrelevant since the HD has way more that enough BW to deliver the content.


ssd is very relevant and has made a noticeable difference in overall
performance on my '09 mbp, but even with an ssd, there absolutely is an
issue with 1080p.

i tried it prior to posting my previous post and it was dropping frames
like crazy and losing sync.


No issues here.


bull****.

And the BW of a hard disk in a notebook far exceeds the
BW required for 1080p.


i didn't say it was i/o bound.

I guess your machine is faulty or you're using a
badly encoded video.


both wrong.

Snipped the rest as it's just your usual crap.


because you can't refute it.
  #50  
Old November 15th 17, 01:27 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 11/14/2017 3:55 PM, Bill W wrote:
On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 11:59:44 -0500, Tony Cooper
wrote:

No one has ever been convinced to switch from Windows to a Mac because
of any of the arguments presented in this group.


Don't be so sure. I am certainly persuaded to look closely into Macs
when I next need a new computer, and it's because of the arguments on
this group. This is the first setting where I've been exposed to
extensive back and forth on the subject, and there are knowledgeable
folks on both sides here.


I have worked with both. Except for my monitor issue, I found no
difference with PS. YMMV

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