"Exposing to the right" is over exposed, what now?

Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
I guess you should perhaps reflect on why things like shutter speeds,
film sensitivity, etc. are arranged just like aperture f-stops (full
stop, half stop, third stop equivalences).

Shutter speeds: 1/100, 1/125, 1/160, 200. (1/3 stops)
1/60, 1/125, 1/250 (1/2 stops)

Film ISO 50, 64, 80, 100 ...

and so on.
When you let go of the idea that I don't understand this, it will be
possible for us to make progress.
Progress? I left you standing on this a couple days ago.

LOL. Yes, standing with the topic while you wandered off on a troll. :- )

You say "f-stop" when you mean changing the exposure via the aperture, I say
"stop". You say "stop" when you mean changing the exposure via any means, I
say "step". That's all there is to it. You can't prove that my terms are
invalid, and you don't understand why the common usage of "stop" is a
misnomer. Do try to stay in touch with the topic. :- )

Spend a lot of time editing that?

Alan Browne wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:

I guess you should perhaps reflect on why things like shutter speeds,
film sensitivity, etc. are arranged just like aperture f-stops (full
stop, half stop, third stop equivalences).

Shutter speeds: 1/100, 1/125, 1/160, 200. (1/3 stops)
1/60, 1/125, 1/250 (1/2 stops)

Film ISO 50, 64, 80, 100 ...

and so on.

When you let go of the idea that I don't understand this, it will be
possible for us to make progress.

Progress? I left you standing on this a couple days ago.

LOL. Yes, standing with the topic while you wandered off on a troll.
:- )

You say "f-stop" when you mean changing the exposure via the aperture, I
say "stop". You say "stop" when you mean changing the exposure via any
means, I say "step". That's all there is to it. You can't prove that my
terms are invalid, and you don't understand why the common usage of
"stop" is a misnomer. Do try to stay in touch with the topic. :- )

Spend a lot of time editing that?

No. Spend any time thinking about it? :- )

Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
I guess you should perhaps reflect on why things like shutter speeds,
film sensitivity, etc. are arranged just like aperture f-stops (full
stop, half stop, third stop equivalences).

Shutter speeds: 1/100, 1/125, 1/160, 200. (1/3 stops)
1/60, 1/125, 1/250 (1/2 stops)

Film ISO 50, 64, 80, 100 ...

and so on.
When you let go of the idea that I don't understand this, it will be
possible for us to make progress.
Progress? I left you standing on this a couple days ago.
LOL. Yes, standing with the topic while you wandered off on a troll.
:- )

You say "f-stop" when you mean changing the exposure via the aperture, I
say "stop". You say "stop" when you mean changing the exposure via any
means, I say "step". That's all there is to it. You can't prove that my
terms are invalid, and you don't understand why the common usage of
"stop" is a misnomer. Do try to stay in touch with the topic. :- )
Spend a lot of time editing that?

No. Spend any time thinking about it? :- )

Don't need to. I learned about reciprocity a very long time ago.

Alan Browne wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:

I guess you should perhaps reflect on why things like shutter
speeds, film sensitivity, etc. are arranged just like aperture
f-stops (full stop, half stop, third stop equivalences).

Shutter speeds: 1/100, 1/125, 1/160, 200. (1/3 stops)
1/60, 1/125, 1/250 (1/2 stops)

Film ISO 50, 64, 80, 100 ...

and so on.

When you let go of the idea that I don't understand this, it will be
possible for us to make progress.

Progress? I left you standing on this a couple days ago.

LOL. Yes, standing with the topic while you wandered off on a troll.
:- )

You say "f-stop" when you mean changing the exposure via the aperture,
I say "stop". You say "stop" when you mean changing the exposure via
any means, I say "step". That's all there is to it. You can't prove
that my terms are invalid, and you don't understand why the common
usage of "stop" is a misnomer. Do try to stay in touch with the topic.
:- )

Spend a lot of time editing that?

No. Spend any time thinking about it? :- )

Don't need to. I learned about reciprocity a very long time ago.

Yes, clearly you understand reciprocity. All you need now is to understand
that our terms for the same things differ, just like "cell" vs "mobile",
"gas" vs "petrol", "laptop" vs "notebook". There is no confusion about what
exposure steps and reciprocity actually are, you just have to let go of
insisting that there is.

Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
I guess you should perhaps reflect on why things like shutter
speeds, film sensitivity, etc. are arranged just like aperture
f-stops (full stop, half stop, third stop equivalences).

Shutter speeds: 1/100, 1/125, 1/160, 200. (1/3 stops)
1/60, 1/125, 1/250 (1/2 stops)

Film ISO 50, 64, 80, 100 ...

and so on.
When you let go of the idea that I don't understand this, it will be
possible for us to make progress.
Progress? I left you standing on this a couple days ago.
LOL. Yes, standing with the topic while you wandered off on a troll.
:- )

You say "f-stop" when you mean changing the exposure via the aperture,
I say "stop". You say "stop" when you mean changing the exposure via
any means, I say "step". That's all there is to it. You can't prove
that my terms are invalid, and you don't understand why the common
usage of "stop" is a misnomer. Do try to stay in touch with the topic.
:- )
Spend a lot of time editing that?
No. Spend any time thinking about it? :- )
Don't need to. I learned about reciprocity a very long time ago.

Yes, clearly you understand reciprocity. All you need now is to understand
that our terms for the same things differ,


Wilba wrote:


Right. "Stop" only refers to aperture.


And you?

Alan Browne wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:

I guess you should perhaps reflect on why things like shutter
speeds, film sensitivity, etc. are arranged just like aperture
f-stops (full stop, half stop, third stop equivalences).

Shutter speeds: 1/100, 1/125, 1/160, 200. (1/3 stops)
1/60, 1/125, 1/250 (1/2 stops)

Film ISO 50, 64, 80, 100 ...

and so on.

When you let go of the idea that I don't understand this, it will
be possible for us to make progress.

Progress? I left you standing on this a couple days ago.

LOL. Yes, standing with the topic while you wandered off on a troll.
:- )

You say "f-stop" when you mean changing the exposure via the
aperture, I say "stop". You say "stop" when you mean changing the
exposure via any means, I say "step". That's all there is to it. You
can't prove that my terms are invalid, and you don't understand why
the common usage of "stop" is a misnomer. Do try to stay in touch
with the topic. :- )

Spend a lot of time editing that?

No. Spend any time thinking about it? :- )

Don't need to. I learned about reciprocity a very long time ago.

Yes, clearly you understand reciprocity. All you need now is to
understand that our terms for the same things differ,


Wilba wrote:

Right. "Stop" only refers to aperture.

And you?

I agree.

Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
I guess you should perhaps reflect on why things like shutter
speeds, film sensitivity, etc. are arranged just like aperture
f-stops (full stop, half stop, third stop equivalences).

Shutter speeds: 1/100, 1/125, 1/160, 200. (1/3 stops)
1/60, 1/125, 1/250 (1/2 stops)

Film ISO 50, 64, 80, 100 ...

and so on.
When you let go of the idea that I don't understand this, it will
be possible for us to make progress.
Progress? I left you standing on this a couple days ago.
LOL. Yes, standing with the topic while you wandered off on a troll.
:- )

You say "f-stop" when you mean changing the exposure via the
aperture, I say "stop". You say "stop" when you mean changing the
exposure via any means, I say "step". That's all there is to it. You
can't prove that my terms are invalid, and you don't understand why
the common usage of "stop" is a misnomer. Do try to stay in touch
with the topic. :- )
Spend a lot of time editing that?
No. Spend any time thinking about it? :- )
Don't need to. I learned about reciprocity a very long time ago.
Yes, clearly you understand reciprocity. All you need now is to
understand that our terms for the same things differ,

Wilba wrote:
Right. "Stop" only refers to aperture.
And you?

I agree.

You agree that your POV is the only POV despite saying: "that our terms
for the same things differ".

Interesting. Have the last word now. That really seems to be your
primary motivation.

Alan Browne wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Wilba wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:

I guess you should perhaps reflect on why things like shutter
speeds, film sensitivity, etc. are arranged just like aperture
f-stops (full stop, half stop, third stop equivalences).

Shutter speeds: 1/100, 1/125, 1/160, 200. (1/3 stops)
1/60, 1/125, 1/250 (1/2 stops)

Film ISO 50, 64, 80, 100 ...

and so on.

When you let go of the idea that I don't understand this, it will
be possible for us to make progress.

Progress? I left you standing on this a couple days ago.

LOL. Yes, standing with the topic while you wandered off on a
troll. :- )

You say "f-stop" when you mean changing the exposure via the
aperture, I say "stop". You say "stop" when you mean changing the
exposure via any means, I say "step". That's all there is to it.
You can't prove that my terms are invalid, and you don't understand
why the common usage of "stop" is a misnomer. Do try to stay in
touch with the topic. :- )

Spend a lot of time editing that?

No. Spend any time thinking about it? :- )

Don't need to. I learned about reciprocity a very long time ago.

Yes, clearly you understand reciprocity. All you need now is to
understand that our terms for the same things differ,

Wilba wrote:

Right. "Stop" only refers to aperture.

And you?

I agree.

You agree that your POV is the only POV despite saying: "that our terms
for the same things differ".

No. I agree with the domain experts who, when using precise technical
nomenclature, use "stop" to refer to an aperture-specific exposure value
step. (E.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposure_value.)

Interesting. Have the last word now. That really seems to be your primary
motivation.

OK, thanks! To sum up - contrary to Alan's demands, it's valid and
unambiguous to use "step" as shorthand for a halving or doubling of exposure
or luminance. "Stop" is universally understood as a synonym, but it strictly
refers to a step achieved via the aperture.