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Old July 9th 10, 10:51 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:30:00 -0700, John Navas wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:10:38 -0700 (PDT), in
,
NotSure wrote:

There is a excellent 6 part documentary about the second world war which
uses colourised archival footage... a real MUST SEE.

screenshots: http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100708-ww2doco/


I consider The Pacific a "must see".


Just fiction.



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Old July 9th 10, 02:08 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2010-07-09 02:51:58 -0700, Neil said:

On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:30:00 -0700, John Navas wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:10:38 -0700 (PDT), in
,
NotSure wrote:

There is a excellent 6 part documentary about the second world war which
uses colourised archival footage... a real MUST SEE.

screenshots: http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100708-ww2doco/


I consider The Pacific a "must see".


Just fiction.


Actually "The Pacific" was not fiction. It was a poorly adapted , over
glamorized, and over produced. Some of the production was
fictionalized. The basic source material was the documented stories of
three marines, who were very real. In my opinion it was a poor telling
of very real events.

John Basilone was a marine sergeant who fought on Guadalcanal. His
action of Guadalcanal was heroic, and he was fully deserving of the
Medal of Honor he was awarded. So little is known of his personal life,
besides the action for which he won his decoration, and the subsequent
War bond campaign, his service record, and his death on Iwo Jima, the
makers of the series created glamorized fabrication of the man.

The big part the story was adapted from the war diaries of Eugene
Sledge, and his memoir "With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa". He
suffered from what today would be termed PTSD or Post-traumatic Stress
Disorder. He went on to be a professor of Biology. His memoir could not
be described as fiction or a glamorization of his experience. It was
poorly adapted by the producers of "The Pacific."

The third contributor was Robert Leckie, who served on Guadalcanal and
was invoved in all of the Marines Pacific campaigns until he was
wounded on Peleliu. He too wrote an unglamorous and factual memoir,
"Helmet for my Pillow". The producers of "The Pacific" took great
liberties with this.

With what HBO did with over glamorizing the stories of these three men,
and their very real service in WWII, was to create a semi-fiction they
were not deserving of.

Since Basilone was killed on Iwo Jima, and Sledge, and Leckie died in
2001, they were not able to provide critical input.

So I would hardly call "The Pacific" a must see. Rather read, "With
the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa" and "Helmet for my Pillow".

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Old July 9th 10, 04:16 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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"Savageduck" wrote in message
news:2010070906085822503-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom...
On 2010-07-09 02:51:58 -0700, Neil said:

On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:30:00 -0700, John Navas wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:10:38 -0700 (PDT), in
,
NotSure wrote:

There is a excellent 6 part documentary about the second world war
which
uses colourised archival footage... a real MUST SEE.

screenshots: http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100708-ww2doco/

I consider The Pacific a "must see".


Just fiction.


Actually "The Pacific" was not fiction. It was a poorly adapted , over
glamorized, and over produced. Some of the production was fictionalized.
The basic source material was the documented stories of three marines, who
were very real. In my opinion it was a poor telling of very real events.

John Basilone was a marine sergeant who fought on Guadalcanal. His action
of Guadalcanal was heroic, and he was fully deserving of the Medal of
Honor he was awarded. So little is known of his personal life, besides the
action for which he won his decoration, and the subsequent War bond
campaign, his service record, and his death on Iwo Jima, the makers of the
series created glamorized fabrication of the man.

The big part the story was adapted from the war diaries of Eugene Sledge,
and his memoir "With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa". He suffered
from what today would be termed PTSD or Post-traumatic Stress Disorder. He
went on to be a professor of Biology. His memoir could not be described as
fiction or a glamorization of his experience. It was poorly adapted by the
producers of "The Pacific."

The third contributor was Robert Leckie, who served on Guadalcanal and was
invoved in all of the Marines Pacific campaigns until he was wounded on
Peleliu. He too wrote an unglamorous and factual memoir, "Helmet for my
Pillow". The producers of "The Pacific" took great liberties with this.

With what HBO did with over glamorizing the stories of these three men,
and their very real service in WWII, was to create a semi-fiction they
were not deserving of.

Since Basilone was killed on Iwo Jima, and Sledge, and Leckie died in
2001, they were not able to provide critical input.

So I would hardly call "The Pacific" a must see. Rather read, "With the
Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa" and "Helmet for my Pillow".



I have met several who served on the Canal. None of them liked to talk abut
it, except to make general statements such as: it was like being in hell.
With the exception of one guy who had a terrible case of PTS, I could never
get any of them to discus any specifics. The guy with PTS would, in the
middle of a conversation, yell "duck there's a Jap behind you;" or talk
about Jap balls being hung on trees as an example.
There is nothing glamorous about war.



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Old July 9th 10, 05:37 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2010-07-09 08:16:31 -0700, "Peter" said:

"Savageduck" wrote in message
news:2010070906085822503-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom...
On 2010-07-09 02:51:58 -0700, Neil said:

On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:30:00 -0700, John Navas wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:10:38 -0700 (PDT), in
,
NotSure wrote:

There is a excellent 6 part documentary about the second world war which
uses colourised archival footage... a real MUST SEE.

screenshots: http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100708-ww2doco/

I consider The Pacific a "must see".

Just fiction.


Actually "The Pacific" was not fiction. It was a poorly adapted , over
glamorized, and over produced. Some of the production was
fictionalized. The basic source material was the documented stories of
three marines, who were very real. In my opinion it was a poor telling
of very real events.

John Basilone was a marine sergeant who fought on Guadalcanal. His
action of Guadalcanal was heroic, and he was fully deserving of the
Medal of Honor he was awarded. So little is known of his personal life,
besides the action for which he won his decoration, and the subsequent
War bond campaign, his service record, and his death on Iwo Jima, the
makers of the series created glamorized fabrication of the man.

The big part the story was adapted from the war diaries of Eugene
Sledge, and his memoir "With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa". He
suffered from what today would be termed PTSD or Post-traumatic Stress
Disorder. He went on to be a professor of Biology. His memoir could not
be described as fiction or a glamorization of his experience. It was
poorly adapted by the producers of "The Pacific."

The third contributor was Robert Leckie, who served on Guadalcanal and
was invoved in all of the Marines Pacific campaigns until he was
wounded on Peleliu. He too wrote an unglamorous and factual memoir,
"Helmet for my Pillow". The producers of "The Pacific" took great
liberties with this.

With what HBO did with over glamorizing the stories of these three men,
and their very real service in WWII, was to create a semi-fiction they
were not deserving of.

Since Basilone was killed on Iwo Jima, and Sledge, and Leckie died in
2001, they were not able to provide critical input.

So I would hardly call "The Pacific" a must see. Rather read, "With
the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa" and "Helmet for my Pillow".



I have met several who served on the Canal. None of them liked to talk
abut it, except to make general statements such as: it was like being
in hell. With the exception of one guy who had a terrible case of PTS,
I could never get any of them to discus any specifics. The guy with
PTS would, in the middle of a conversation, yell "duck there's a Jap
behind you;" or talk about Jap balls being hung on trees as an example.
There is nothing glamorous about war.


Agreed.
My father flew P38's in New Guinea, which included the Bismark
Archipelago, Rabaul, & Guadalcanal campaigns. On to Leyte and Linguyen
in the Phillipines, then Okinawa. He had Lindbergh fly as his wingman
on one long distance mission to Borneo. He flew escort for the Japanese
negotiators and was part of the first tactical fighter group into Tokio.

As a 20 year old pilot, he only told of his love of flying and the
expectation that nothing would ever happen to him. He is 87 now and the
few truly terrifying events are the ones which still haunt him, and he
has only fully told me of those in recent years.
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechut...%20NG_P38f.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/9thFS-Gusap-w.jpg

As far as glamor of war goes, my little meditation in green put that to
rest for me.

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Savageduck

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Old July 9th 10, 06:01 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 7/9/2010 11:16 AM, Peter wrote:
"Savageduck" wrote in message
news:2010070906085822503-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom...
On 2010-07-09 02:51:58 -0700, Neil said:

On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:30:00 -0700, John Navas wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:10:38 -0700 (PDT), in
,
NotSure wrote:

There is a excellent 6 part documentary about the second world war
which
uses colourised archival footage... a real MUST SEE.

screenshots: http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100708-ww2doco/

I consider The Pacific a "must see".

Just fiction.


Actually "The Pacific" was not fiction. It was a poorly adapted , over
glamorized, and over produced. Some of the production was
fictionalized. The basic source material was the documented stories of
three marines, who were very real. In my opinion it was a poor telling
of very real events.

John Basilone was a marine sergeant who fought on Guadalcanal. His
action of Guadalcanal was heroic, and he was fully deserving of the
Medal of Honor he was awarded. So little is known of his personal
life, besides the action for which he won his decoration, and the
subsequent War bond campaign, his service record, and his death on Iwo
Jima, the makers of the series created glamorized fabrication of the man.

The big part the story was adapted from the war diaries of Eugene
Sledge, and his memoir "With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa".
He suffered from what today would be termed PTSD or Post-traumatic
Stress Disorder. He went on to be a professor of Biology. His memoir
could not be described as fiction or a glamorization of his
experience. It was poorly adapted by the producers of "The Pacific."

The third contributor was Robert Leckie, who served on Guadalcanal and
was invoved in all of the Marines Pacific campaigns until he was
wounded on Peleliu. He too wrote an unglamorous and factual memoir,
"Helmet for my Pillow". The producers of "The Pacific" took great
liberties with this.

With what HBO did with over glamorizing the stories of these three
men, and their very real service in WWII, was to create a semi-fiction
they were not deserving of.

Since Basilone was killed on Iwo Jima, and Sledge, and Leckie died in
2001, they were not able to provide critical input.

So I would hardly call "The Pacific" a must see. Rather read, "With
the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa" and "Helmet for my Pillow".



I have met several who served on the Canal. None of them liked to talk
abut it, except to make general statements such as: it was like being in
hell. With the exception of one guy who had a terrible case of PTS, I
could never get any of them to discus any specifics. The guy with PTS
would, in the middle of a conversation, yell "duck there's a Jap behind
you;" or talk about Jap balls being hung on trees as an example.
There is nothing glamorous about war.


My dad went all through the Pacific. Other than the gory details of
dragging a Victory ship off the beach (he had pictures of that), he
never talked about it much. The stories he did tell were generally
short and humorous, sometimes darkly so.

Islander, reporting: "I saw many Japs".
Intelligence officer: "What did you do then."
Islander: "I watched them."
Officer: "That's all?"
Islander: "Through sights of '03".

Ensigns leaning on the rail: "I'm senior to you because I graduated on
.. . ."
Halsey, from somewhere far above: "Gentlemen, seniority among ensigns
is like chastity among prostitutes".

Gunnery sergeant, holding up the first M-1 carbine he ever saw by the
muzzle with two fingers: "This would have been a mighty fine cavalry
rifle, if Custer had had 'em he might have had a chance at the Little
Big Horn."

The amazing change in the demeanor of a recalcitrant Japanese when you
shoved a Thompson in his face and cocked the bolt.

And the battle between the tank and the D7 (D7 won). He had pictures of
that too.

I know he got torpedoed once and was somehow involved in a plane
crash--he had hearing loss from the one and scars from the other, but he
never gave any details of those.




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Old July 9th 10, 07:40 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 7/9/2010 1:02 PM, John Navas wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 04:51:58 -0500, in
, Neil
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:30:00 -0700, John Navas wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:10:38 -0700 (PDT), in
,
wrote:

There is a excellent 6 part documentary about the second world war which
uses colourised archival footage... a real MUST SEE.

screenshots: http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100708-ww2doco/

I consider The Pacific a "must see".


Just fiction.


24 Emmy nominations.


"Frasier" had 37 Emmies--not nominations, _awards_. It was still just
fiction.

Based primarily on two memoirs of U.S. Marines,
With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa by Eugene Sledge, and
Helmet for My Pillow by Robert Leckie.


"Based on" means that somebody looked at them and wrote a screenplay
which may or may not have borne much resemblance to the original material.

Authenticity was reportedly a major priority.


Reported by who other than the PR flacks?


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Old July 9th 10, 08:20 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Savageduck wrote:
On 2010-07-09 02:51:58 -0700, Neil
said:
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:30:00 -0700, John Navas wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:10:38 -0700 (PDT), in
,
NotSure wrote:

There is a excellent 6 part documentary about the second world
war which uses colourised archival footage... a real MUST SEE.

screenshots:
http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100708-ww2doco/

I consider The Pacific a "must see".


Just fiction.


Actually "The Pacific" was not fiction. It was a poorly adapted ,
over glamorized, and over produced. Some of the production was
fictionalized. The basic source material was the documented stories
of three marines, who were very real. In my opinion it was a poor
telling of very real events.

John Basilone was a marine sergeant who fought on Guadalcanal. His
action of Guadalcanal was heroic, and he was fully deserving of the
Medal of Honor he was awarded. So little is known of his personal
life, besides the action for which he won his decoration, and the
subsequent War bond campaign, his service record, and his death on
Iwo Jima, the makers of the series created glamorized fabrication
of the man.
The big part the story was adapted from the war diaries of Eugene
Sledge, and his memoir "With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and
Okinawa". He suffered from what today would be termed PTSD or
Post-traumatic Stress Disorder. He went on to be a professor of
Biology. His memoir could not be described as fiction or a
glamorization of his experience. It was poorly adapted by the
producers of "The Pacific."
The third contributor was Robert Leckie, who served on Guadalcanal
and was invoved in all of the Marines Pacific campaigns until he was
wounded on Peleliu. He too wrote an unglamorous and factual memoir,
"Helmet for my Pillow". The producers of "The Pacific" took great
liberties with this.

With what HBO did with over glamorizing the stories of these three
men, and their very real service in WWII, was to create a
semi-fiction they were not deserving of.

Since Basilone was killed on Iwo Jima, and Sledge, and Leckie died
in 2001, they were not able to provide critical input.

So I would hardly call "The Pacific" a must see. Rather read, "With
the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa" and "Helmet for my Pillow".


It's good to have an idea where the name of "Basilone Road" came from.
It serves the northwestern portion of Camp Pendleton, running across
the hills from near the Santa Margarita river at Vandegrift Boulevard
and ending in the area of Interstate Highway 5 and the Orange County
line. The freeway exit signs are seen by everyone who travels that
stretch of "5", and now at least one of them will recognize the
tribute.

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Old July 9th 10, 09:43 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2010-07-09 11:40:00 -0700, "J. Clarke" said:

On 7/9/2010 1:02 PM, John Navas wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 04:51:58 -0500, in
, Neil
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:30:00 -0700, John Navas wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:10:38 -0700 (PDT), in
,
wrote:

There is a excellent 6 part documentary about the second world war which
uses colourised archival footage... a real MUST SEE.

screenshots: http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100708-ww2doco/

I consider The Pacific a "must see".

Just fiction.


24 Emmy nominations.


"Frasier" had 37 Emmies--not nominations, _awards_. It was still just fiction.

Based primarily on two memoirs of U.S. Marines,
With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa by Eugene Sledge, and
Helmet for My Pillow by Robert Leckie.


"Based on" means that somebody looked at them and wrote a screenplay
which may or may not have borne much resemblance to the original
material.

Authenticity was reportedly a major priority.


Reported by who other than the PR flacks?


I agree "The Pacific" was an over produced, effects blown piece, which
ruined what should have been an opportunity to pay tribute to a hero in
John Basilone, and the fine documentation of the memoirs of Eugene
Sledge and Robert Leckie. Unfortunately the three of them are dead, and
were not able to act as advisors, or provide input as Stephen Ambrose
and Dick Winters did for "Band of Brothers."

The acting was OK, but any other Emmie nominations had to be based on
misplaced sentimentality and technical/special effects.

"The Pacific" was no "Band of Brothers."

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Savageduck

 




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