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Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
On 2018-10-12 17:20, nospam wrote:
In article , Alan Browne wrote: The most reliable and stable OS I've ever used is Mac OS. Not perfect put miles above the ****pile of Windows. agreed, as are the vast majority of mac apps. MS Word and Excel are miles above Apple's offerings (with one exception) Can't speak about Powerpoint as I've never used Keynote. i wasn't talking specifically about those, however, apple's pages and numbers were never intended to be replacements for word/excel. they're designed for average users doing common tasks, whereas word/excel tries to be everything for everyone, and harder to use as a result. Nothing hard about Word or Excel. They are incredibly rich in features, but that doesn't mean one needs to use them initially to get work done. -- "2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants. Proof that we need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do." - unknown protester |
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Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
In article , Alan Browne
wrote: The most reliable and stable OS I've ever used is Mac OS. Not perfect put miles above the ****pile of Windows. agreed, as are the vast majority of mac apps. MS Word and Excel are miles above Apple's offerings (with one exception) Can't speak about Powerpoint as I've never used Keynote. i wasn't talking specifically about those, however, apple's pages and numbers were never intended to be replacements for word/excel. they're designed for average users doing common tasks, whereas word/excel tries to be everything for everyone, and harder to use as a result. Nothing hard about Word or Excel. They are incredibly rich in features, but that doesn't mean one needs to use them initially to get work done. it's overkill for what most people want to do, as is photoshop for basic photo editing. sure, someone 'could' use it for simple stuff, but the average user would be lost. also, pages, numbers and keynote are free. word & excel are not. macs include a lot of stuff that windows requires people to pay extra for. |
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Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
On 2018-10-13 11:30, nospam wrote:
In article , Alan Browne wrote: The most reliable and stable OS I've ever used is Mac OS. Not perfect put miles above the ****pile of Windows. agreed, as are the vast majority of mac apps. MS Word and Excel are miles above Apple's offerings (with one exception) ----- [1] Can't speak about Powerpoint as I've never used Keynote. i wasn't talking specifically about those, however, apple's pages and numbers were never intended to be replacements for word/excel. they're designed for average users doing common tasks, whereas word/excel tries to be everything for everyone, and harder to use as a result. Nothing hard about Word or Excel. They are incredibly rich in features, but that doesn't mean one needs to use them initially to get work done. it's overkill for what most people want to do, as is photoshop for basic photo editing. sure, someone 'could' use it for simple stuff, but the average user would be lost. also, pages, numbers and keynote are free. word & excel are not. macs include a lot of stuff that windows requires people to pay extra for. The statement [1] was about what are the better apps. Word and Excel hands down. -- "2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants. Proof that we need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do." - unknown protester |
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Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
In article , Alan Browne
wrote: The most reliable and stable OS I've ever used is Mac OS. Not perfect put miles above the ****pile of Windows. agreed, as are the vast majority of mac apps. MS Word and Excel are miles above Apple's offerings (with one exception) ----- [1] Can't speak about Powerpoint as I've never used Keynote. i wasn't talking specifically about those, however, apple's pages and numbers were never intended to be replacements for word/excel. they're designed for average users doing common tasks, whereas word/excel tries to be everything for everyone, and harder to use as a result. Nothing hard about Word or Excel. They are incredibly rich in features, but that doesn't mean one needs to use them initially to get work done. it's overkill for what most people want to do, as is photoshop for basic photo editing. sure, someone 'could' use it for simple stuff, but the average user would be lost. also, pages, numbers and keynote are free. word & excel are not. macs include a lot of stuff that windows requires people to pay extra for. The statement [1] was about what are the better apps. Word and Excel hands down. maybe for you, but not for everyone. |
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Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 20:08:22 GMT, "MC" wrote:
nospam wrote: In article , Alan Browne wrote: The most reliable and stable OS I've ever used is Mac OS. Not perfect put miles above the ****pile of Windows. agreed, as are the vast majority of mac apps. MS Word and Excel are miles above Apple's offerings (with one exception) ----- [1] Can't speak about Powerpoint as I've never used Keynote. i wasn't talking specifically about those, however, apple's pages and numbers were never intended to be replacements for word/excel. they're designed for average users doing common tasks, whereas word/excel tries to be everything for everyone, and harder to use as a result. Nothing hard about Word or Excel. They are incredibly rich in features, but that doesn't mean one needs to use them initially to get work done. it's overkill for what most people want to do, as is photoshop for basic photo editing. sure, someone 'could' use it for simple stuff, but the average user would be lost. also, pages, numbers and keynote are free. word & excel are not. macs include a lot of stuff that windows requires people to pay extra for. The statement [1] was about what are the better apps. Word and Excel hands down. maybe for you, but not for everyone. I go to a supermarket to buy a loaf of bread. Just because the supermarket sells thousands of other products does not mean I have to buy them all so I can get my loaf of bread. Using Word and Excel is no harder to use for "simple" tasks as it to use a more basic wp or spreadsheet applications. It is just that Word and Excel offer a whole lot more should you need, or be inclined to learn how, to use its more advanced features. As for FREE? Open Office (and its various guises) is not to shabby when comparing itself to Microsoft offerings. It certainly out-does most, if not all, other free "office" based applications when it comes to features. MC I've used (almost) everything from WordStar and VisiCalc to current apps, and presently use Open Office for both text and spreadsheets. Now that I'm retired, my needs are simpler, and Open Office does everything I expect/need. "Better" is determined by a combination of criteria because "better" is a subjective user-defined term. In this case, Open Office is the better app for this user...it does what I need and there is no cost. For text, I personally rated WordPerfect as the better app, but when Corel took it over it went downhill faster than Jean-Claude Killy and crashed like Eddie the Eagle. A lot of people I know (from the Internet) swear by LaTeX, but they are academics who are into publishing papers and documents in their specialty areas. For spreadsheets, Lotus 1-2-3 was the better app in my opinion. While Open Office is my current app, I sometimes instinctively use a Lotus shortcut. I get involved and auto-pilot takes over. I have never been anti-Microsoft, but what they've offered has been more than what I've needed. What I *don't* like are people who declare that (name) is the better app without modifying that statement with "for my use". -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |
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Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
On 10/9/2018 11:34 PM, Ron C wrote:
On 10/9/2018 10:58 PM, PeterN wrote: On 10/9/2018 10:38 PM, Ron C wrote: On 10/9/2018 9:32 PM, PeterN wrote: On 10/9/2018 2:41 PM, nospam wrote: In article , Carlos E.R. wrote: Whether or not this is an issue depends on what users do with their computers. If they're playing around with beta releases, as in the Insider Development program, it's not a good idea to use a computer with critical files on it. As for the rest who use Win10, the update has not been distributed, so it's a non-issue. wrong. 1809 was released last week to the public then later pulled on friday after people lost data. it was not an insider build. It was not "distributed".* It was available for "optional" download only. I got it automatically on a laptop of mine. yep. same here (although not a laptop). I did not get the update on my Win10 machine. Possible that had something to do with the fact that I have automatic updates turned off. IMHO the larger problem is that Win 10 updates *CAN* delete files. Also Win 10, by design, forces updates. The level of trust has been greatly compromised. Who really knows what files/folders/etc could be the target of some code "oops", let alone an actual targeted attack? i do try to regularly back up. My Win 7 machine has not such issues. Ah, but that's not Win 10. Now here's a (paranoid) question; How do you know what and how many files any Win update has touched let alone deleted? Yes, we have backups .. but how often do we test for CRC, etc.* differences? OK, end paranoia, um ...for the moment.* ;-) I have a Win10 machine, with no such issues, ad have never lost a file, unless I accidentally deleted it, or put it in the wrong directory. But -- PeterN |
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Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
On 10/10/2018 7:26 PM, RichA wrote:
On Tuesday, 9 October 2018 21:32:51 UTC-4, PeterN wrote: On 10/9/2018 2:41 PM, nospam wrote: In article , Carlos E.R. wrote: Whether or not this is an issue depends on what users do with their computers. If they're playing around with beta releases, as in the Insider Development program, it's not a good idea to use a computer with critical files on it. As for the rest who use Win10, the update has not been distributed, so it's a non-issue. wrong. 1809 was released last week to the public then later pulled on friday after people lost data. it was not an insider build. It was not "distributed". It was available for "optional" download only. I got it automatically on a laptop of mine. yep. same here (although not a laptop). I did not get the update on my Win10 machine. Possible that had something to do with the fact that I have automatic updates turned off. -- PeterN Didn't think it was that easy to do. Not like Win 7-8. https://www.windowscentral.com/how-s...lly-windows-10 Note the language: "You can do it "depending" on which edition you have." Win10 Professional -- PeterN |
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Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
On 10/10/2018 8:10 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
snip From what I keep reading about Win 10 I shudder to think I may have to go there some day... (different "editions" with different abilities and limitations, arbitrary updates (just when you have to get something else done...) I am convinced that some marines have a version of Murphy, with mind reading capabilities. Similarly I am also convinced that most critters have meetings, at were they agree that if a photographer points a camera at you, you should turn away. As soon as he puts down his camera, then do something interesting. -- PeterN |
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Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
In article , MC
wrote: it's overkill for what most people want to do, as is photoshop for basic photo editing. sure, someone 'could' use it for simple stuff, but the average user would be lost. also, pages, numbers and keynote are free. word & excel are not. macs include a lot of stuff that windows requires people to pay extra for. The statement [1] was about what are the better apps. Word and Excel hands down. maybe for you, but not for everyone. I go to a supermarket to buy a loaf of bread. Just because the supermarket sells thousands of other products does not mean I have to buy them all so I can get my loaf of bread. not a good analogy, but if all you want is bread, then a bakery is a better choice, likely offering a better selection and also fresher. an slr with a bag full of lenses is more capable than a cellphone camera, but if all you want to do is gram, a cellphone is a better choice. choose the best tool for the job. Using Word and Excel is no harder to use for "simple" tasks as it to use a more basic wp or spreadsheet applications. It is just that Word and Excel offer a whole lot more should you need, or be inclined to learn how, to use its more advanced features. false. it's harder for simple tasks. most people don't need the more advanced features. their presence is not in any way an advantage and paying for them is a waste of money. word/excel are not the only options out there, despite microsoft forcing them down people's throats. people who want to use them certainly can, but they don't have to. also, macos can read/write word & excel files with no additional software required. windows can't. it can also read & write pdf, without any additional software. no need to buy acrobat. As for FREE? Open Office (and its various guises) is not to shabby when comparing itself to Microsoft offerings. It certainly out-does most, if not all, other free "office" based applications when it comes to features. open office may be free, but it's also crap. |
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Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 16:34:00 -0400, Tony Cooper
wrote: On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 20:08:22 GMT, "MC" wrote: nospam wrote: In article , Alan Browne wrote: The most reliable and stable OS I've ever used is Mac OS. Not perfect put miles above the ****pile of Windows. agreed, as are the vast majority of mac apps. MS Word and Excel are miles above Apple's offerings (with one exception) ----- [1] Can't speak about Powerpoint as I've never used Keynote. i wasn't talking specifically about those, however, apple's pages and numbers were never intended to be replacements for word/excel. they're designed for average users doing common tasks, whereas word/excel tries to be everything for everyone, and harder to use as a result. Nothing hard about Word or Excel. They are incredibly rich in features, but that doesn't mean one needs to use them initially to get work done. it's overkill for what most people want to do, as is photoshop for basic photo editing. sure, someone 'could' use it for simple stuff, but the average user would be lost. also, pages, numbers and keynote are free. word & excel are not. macs include a lot of stuff that windows requires people to pay extra for. The statement [1] was about what are the better apps. Word and Excel hands down. maybe for you, but not for everyone. I go to a supermarket to buy a loaf of bread. Just because the supermarket sells thousands of other products does not mean I have to buy them all so I can get my loaf of bread. Using Word and Excel is no harder to use for "simple" tasks as it to use a more basic wp or spreadsheet applications. It is just that Word and Excel offer a whole lot more should you need, or be inclined to learn how, to use its more advanced features. As for FREE? Open Office (and its various guises) is not to shabby when comparing itself to Microsoft offerings. It certainly out-does most, if not all, other free "office" based applications when it comes to features. MC I've used (almost) everything from WordStar and VisiCalc to current apps, and presently use Open Office for both text and spreadsheets. Now that I'm retired, my needs are simpler, and Open Office does everything I expect/need. "Better" is determined by a combination of criteria because "better" is a subjective user-defined term. In this case, Open Office is the better app for this user...it does what I need and there is no cost. For text, I personally rated WordPerfect as the better app, but when Corel took it over it went downhill faster than Jean-Claude Killy and crashed like Eddie the Eagle. That was at least partly due to the damage wreaked by Microsoft withholding the new revised Visual Basic from Wordperfect for six months in the days before Corel bought the the wreck. In effect Microsoft was able to hamstring their only significant competition while giving themselves a clear run. What happened after was not entirely Corel's fault. A lot of people I know (from the Internet) swear by LaTeX, but they are academics who are into publishing papers and documents in their specialty areas. For spreadsheets, Lotus 1-2-3 was the better app in my opinion. While Open Office is my current app, I sometimes instinctively use a Lotus shortcut. I get involved and auto-pilot takes over. I have never been anti-Microsoft, but what they've offered has been more than what I've needed. What I *don't* like are people who declare that (name) is the better app without modifying that statement with "for my use". -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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