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In article , p-0''0-h the
cat (ES) wrote:

Today rights of privacy are almost meaningless. If you have GPS
installed, they can track you.

no they can't. a gps device does not transmit.

Well yes, but that's a pretty simplistic view of the technologies now
used.

no it isn't.

Many cellular phones use A-GPS in addition to GPS specifically to
improve time to first fix and that data is made available to emergency
call dispatchers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS

assisted gps does not transmit.

assisted gps *receives* additional information for a faster ttff.

and he wasn't talking about phones either. he said a gps installed in a
vehicle.

In addition if you use your cellphone as GPS in your car it may well
download travel data.

downloading is not the issue.

some navigation apps download map data on the fly to minimize storage
on the device. other apps store the map data on the device. like
everything, each has its advantages and disadvantages

*uploading* data is the issue and most apps do not do that. those that
do make it clear that they do.

an app that constantly keeps the gps and radios on would exhaust the
battery very quickly and users would notice that *really* fast.

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 15:23:32 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , p-0''0-h the
cat (ES) wrote:

Today rights of privacy are almost meaningless. If you have GPS
installed, they can track you.

no they can't. a gps device does not transmit.

Well yes, but that's a pretty simplistic view of the technologies now
used.

no it isn't.

Many cellular phones use A-GPS in addition to GPS specifically to
improve time to first fix and that data is made available to emergency
call dispatchers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS

assisted gps does not transmit.

Well the client device does and so do the base stations. The A-GPS
client and A-GPS server pass information to one another. How do you
propose they do that?

assisted gps *receives* additional information for a faster ttff.

Yes, but we are not talking passively receiving analogue radio signals
here we are passing data, that requires transactional control between
the device and the base station.

and he wasn't talking about phones either. he said a gps installed in a
vehicle.

In addition if you use your cellphone as GPS in your car it may well
download travel data.

downloading is not the issue.

some navigation apps download map data on the fly to minimize storage
on the device. other apps store the map data on the device. like
everything, each has its advantages and disadvantages

*uploading* data is the issue and most apps do not do that. those that
do make it clear that they do.

Uploading/downloading it doesn't matter. Your position can be calculated
from that. The more base stations your device is talking to the better
that gets.

an app that constantly keeps the gps and radios on would exhaust the
battery very quickly and users would notice that *really* fast.

I doubt it requires much data so the transmit path will be powered down
when there is no data to send and when it's waiting for clear airways.
The base station wakes up the device when stuff is to be sent to the
device, negotiates the amount and lots of other stuff because air
interfaces have to transmit one at a time or interference occurs and
then magic happens. A good deal of the time the device would be in a
power saving mode.

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In article , p-0''0-h the
cat (ES) wrote:

Today rights of privacy are almost meaningless. If you have GPS
installed, they can track you.

no they can't. a gps device does not transmit.

Well yes, but that's a pretty simplistic view of the technologies now
used.

no it isn't.

Many cellular phones use A-GPS in addition to GPS specifically to
improve time to first fix and that data is made available to emergency
call dispatchers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS

assisted gps does not transmit.

Well the client device does and so do the base stations. The A-GPS
client and A-GPS server pass information to one another. How do you
propose they do that?

nope.

agps can *receive* ephemeris from the cellular system rather than from
the satellites. the gps does not transmit anything.

an agps device does not need active cellular service, so there's no way
it could transmit even if it wanted to.

assisted gps *receives* additional information for a faster ttff.

Yes, but we are not talking passively receiving analogue radio signals
here we are passing data, that requires transactional control between
the device and the base station.

nope.

a gps navigation device does not transmit *anything*. it is
receive-only.

only gps *tracking* devices transmit, for reasons that should be
obvious.

it's also possible that a tracking device logs it locally rather than
transmits in realtime, but then the device would need to be retrieved
for the data. that might be an option for fleet vehicles, depending on
the use case.

and he wasn't talking about phones either. he said a gps installed in a
vehicle.

In addition if you use your cellphone as GPS in your car it may well
download travel data.

downloading is not the issue.

some navigation apps download map data on the fly to minimize storage
on the device. other apps store the map data on the device. like
everything, each has its advantages and disadvantages

*uploading* data is the issue and most apps do not do that. those that
do make it clear that they do.

Uploading/downloading it doesn't matter. Your position can be calculated
from that. The more base stations your device is talking to the better
that gets.

gps relies on satellites orbiting the earth, not base stations.

an app that constantly keeps the gps and radios on would exhaust the
battery very quickly and users would notice that *really* fast.

I doubt it requires much data so the transmit path will be powered down
when there is no data to send and when it's waiting for clear airways.
The base station wakes up the device when stuff is to be sent to the
device, negotiates the amount and lots of other stuff because air
interfaces have to transmit one at a time or interference occurs and
then magic happens. A good deal of the time the device would be in a
power saving mode.

wrong.

On 9/13/2015 10:34 AM, Mayayana wrote:
| So let's see, according to you Microsoft will be able to steal
| information off of a doctor's computer in violation of HIPPA? You mean
| that they just willingly abandoned the entire medical market?

Have you read the privacy policy? Microsoft
have said as much. Why not read the details
people have linked to before declaring it all
nonsense?

But it's important to note that
all this applies only to "consumer" products.
Which is any OEM computer and any Win10
copy -- home or Pro -- bought by individuals
or small companies.
Corporations that license multiple systems via
so-called "Software Assurance" contracts are
not subject to forced Windows Update and the
privacy policy does not apply to them. So it
depends on where your doctor works and who
manages their computer.

Most medical offices I know are considered a small business, unless they
are located in a hospital. Having said that, there is a HIPPA required
mandate, (I am not certain what the effective date is,) for medical
offices to be be on a private network, which includes hospitals. I have
serious doubts that any non-healthcare organization would have access to
patients records. Any legitimate IT organization would be aware of the
specific requirements and ensure compliance.
It would be up to the practice manager in a healthcare facility to hire
qualified and knowledgeable IT personnel. Any discussion here concerning
whether Win10 is HIPPA compliant is meaningless.



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On 9/13/2015 10:53 AM, nospam wrote:

snip


nobody installs firefox or adobe software or any other
software on a kiosk.


Kiosks have a unique ability to self install software, unless it is one
of those computers that do not require software to run.

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In article , PeterN
wrote:


nobody installs firefox or adobe software or any other
software on a kiosk.

Kiosks have a unique ability to self install software, unless it is one
of those computers that do not require software to run.

explain how a kiosk can self-install photoshop.

this ought to be really good.

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:50:00 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , p-0''0-h the
cat (ES) wrote:

Today rights of privacy are almost meaningless. If you have GPS
installed, they can track you.

no they can't. a gps device does not transmit.

Well yes, but that's a pretty simplistic view of the technologies now
used.

no it isn't.

Many cellular phones use A-GPS in addition to GPS specifically to
improve time to first fix and that data is made available to emergency
call dispatchers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS

assisted gps does not transmit.

Well the client device does and so do the base stations. The A-GPS
client and A-GPS server pass information to one another. How do you
propose they do that?

nope.

agps can *receive* ephemeris from the cellular system rather than from
the satellites. the gps does not transmit anything.

an agps device does not need active cellular service, so there's no way
it could transmit even if it wanted to.

Don't be a berk. The A-GPS server is on the Internet not the base
station. Therefore it must send the cached satellite data over IP and
therefore over a cellular connection. Cellular connections are complex
and lossy and therefore require control protocols so the device must
transmit. Otherwise, how do you think the device can tell the base
station to resend data that was lost? By magic? LOL.

Here we are, in simple terms just for you.

"Assisted GPS can help avoid this, solving the data connection issue by
linking to a web-based internet server (known as an assistance server)
that already holds the current satellite information. This information
is relayed to the device using GPRS (cellphone data connection service)
rather than using the much slower, and possibly unreliable, radio signal
from the satellite."

http://gpssystems.net/agps/

I think it's a bit more complex nowadays and uses other data connections
as well as GPRS.

assisted gps *receives* additional information for a faster ttff.

Yes, but we are not talking passively receiving analogue radio signals
here we are passing data, that requires transactional control between
the device and the base station.

nope.

a gps navigation device does not transmit *anything*. it is
receive-only.

Why are you talking about gps now. We were talking about *A-GPS*.


only gps *tracking* devices transmit, for reasons that should be
obvious.

it's also possible that a tracking device logs it locally rather than
transmits in realtime, but then the device would need to be retrieved
for the data. that might be an option for fleet vehicles, depending on
the use case.

and he wasn't talking about phones either. he said a gps installed in a
vehicle.

In addition if you use your cellphone as GPS in your car it may well
download travel data.

downloading is not the issue.

some navigation apps download map data on the fly to minimize storage
on the device. other apps store the map data on the device. like
everything, each has its advantages and disadvantages

*uploading* data is the issue and most apps do not do that. those that
do make it clear that they do.

Uploading/downloading it doesn't matter. Your position can be calculated
from that. The more base stations your device is talking to the better
that gets.

gps relies on satellites orbiting the earth, not base stations.

*hello* we are talking about A-GPS


an app that constantly keeps the gps and radios on would exhaust the
battery very quickly and users would notice that *really* fast.

I doubt it requires much data so the transmit path will be powered down
when there is no data to send and when it's waiting for clear airways.
The base station wakes up the device when stuff is to be sent to the
device, negotiates the amount and lots of other stuff because air
interfaces have to transmit one at a time or interference occurs and
then magic happens. A good deal of the time the device would be in a
power saving mode.

wrong.

No, I'm right about the lot.

Say thank you Pooh for the education.

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In article , p-0''0-h the
cat (ES) wrote:

Well the client device does and so do the base stations. The A-GPS
client and A-GPS server pass information to one another. How do you
propose they do that?

nope.

agps can *receive* ephemeris from the cellular system rather than from
the satellites. the gps does not transmit anything.

an agps device does not need active cellular service, so there's no way
it could transmit even if it wanted to.

Don't be a berk. The A-GPS server is on the Internet not the base
station. Therefore it must send the cached satellite data over IP and
therefore over a cellular connection. Cellular connections are complex
and lossy and therefore require control protocols so the device must
transmit. Otherwise, how do you think the device can tell the base
station to resend data that was lost? By magic? LOL.

it doesn't ask to resend. it waits for the next transmission.

it can't request a retransmission even if it wanted to because an
active cellular plan is not required.

assisted gps *receives* additional information for a faster ttff.

Yes, but we are not talking passively receiving analogue radio signals
here we are passing data, that requires transactional control between
the device and the base station.

nope.

a gps navigation device does not transmit *anything*. it is
receive-only.

Why are you talking about gps now. We were talking about *A-GPS*.

that doesn't change anything.

agps is a subset of gps devices.


*uploading* data is the issue and most apps do not do that. those that
do make it clear that they do.

Uploading/downloading it doesn't matter. Your position can be calculated
from that. The more base stations your device is talking to the better
that gets.

gps relies on satellites orbiting the earth, not base stations.

*hello* we are talking about A-GPS

agps is a subset of gps devices.


an app that constantly keeps the gps and radios on would exhaust the
battery very quickly and users would notice that *really* fast.

I doubt it requires much data so the transmit path will be powered down
when there is no data to send and when it's waiting for clear airways.
The base station wakes up the device when stuff is to be sent to the
device, negotiates the amount and lots of other stuff because air
interfaces have to transmit one at a time or interference occurs and
then magic happens. A good deal of the time the device would be in a
power saving mode.

wrong.

No, I'm right about the lot.

not even remotely close to being right.

in fact you have not said much of anything that's correct.

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 17:44:02 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , p-0''0-h the
cat (ES) wrote:

Well the client device does and so do the base stations. The A-GPS
client and A-GPS server pass information to one another. How do you
propose they do that?

nope.

agps can *receive* ephemeris from the cellular system rather than from
the satellites. the gps does not transmit anything.

an agps device does not need active cellular service, so there's no way
it could transmit even if it wanted to.

Don't be a berk. The A-GPS server is on the Internet not the base
station. Therefore it must send the cached satellite data over IP and
therefore over a cellular connection. Cellular connections are complex
and lossy and therefore require control protocols so the device must
transmit. Otherwise, how do you think the device can tell the base
station to resend data that was lost? By magic? LOL.

it doesn't ask to resend. it waits for the next transmission.

Ha Ha Ha. You're really funny. So how did the A-GPS server know to send
data to the device in the first place. I know, by magic....

it can't request a retransmission even if it wanted to because an
active cellular plan is not required.

Why have you snipped the link that says A-GPS works over GPRS?

Are you an Ostrich?

I had such high hopes for you, but you have let me down. I'm not wasting
anymore of my time educating a ****ing idiot.

assisted gps *receives* additional information for a faster ttff.

Yes, but we are not talking passively receiving analogue radio signals
here we are passing data, that requires transactional control between
the device and the base station.

nope.

a gps navigation device does not transmit *anything*. it is
receive-only.

Why are you talking about gps now. We were talking about *A-GPS*.

that doesn't change anything.

agps is a subset of gps devices.


*uploading* data is the issue and most apps do not do that. those that
do make it clear that they do.

Uploading/downloading it doesn't matter. Your position can be calculated
from that. The more base stations your device is talking to the better
that gets.

gps relies on satellites orbiting the earth, not base stations.

*hello* we are talking about A-GPS

agps is a subset of gps devices.


an app that constantly keeps the gps and radios on would exhaust the
battery very quickly and users would notice that *really* fast.

I doubt it requires much data so the transmit path will be powered down
when there is no data to send and when it's waiting for clear airways.
The base station wakes up the device when stuff is to be sent to the
device, negotiates the amount and lots of other stuff because air
interfaces have to transmit one at a time or interference occurs and
then magic happens. A good deal of the time the device would be in a
power saving mode.

wrong.

No, I'm right about the lot.

not even remotely close to being right.

in fact you have not said much of anything that's correct.

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In article , p-0''0-h the
cat (ES) wrote:

agps can *receive* ephemeris from the cellular system rather than from
the satellites. the gps does not transmit anything.

an agps device does not need active cellular service, so there's no way
it could transmit even if it wanted to.

Don't be a berk. The A-GPS server is on the Internet not the base
station. Therefore it must send the cached satellite data over IP and
therefore over a cellular connection. Cellular connections are complex
and lossy and therefore require control protocols so the device must
transmit. Otherwise, how do you think the device can tell the base
station to resend data that was lost? By magic? LOL.

it doesn't ask to resend. it waits for the next transmission.

Ha Ha Ha. You're really funny. So how did the A-GPS server know to send
data to the device in the first place. I know, by magic....

it's not requested.

once again, no active cell service is required for agps to work, so it
couldn't send anything even if it wanted to.

it can't request a retransmission even if it wanted to because an
active cellular plan is not required.

Why have you snipped the link that says A-GPS works over GPRS?

because that doesn't change anything. it can go over hspa or lte.

not only that but gprs is being shuttered:
http://blog.aeris.com/2G-GSM-GPRS-The-Shutdown-Begins