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Nikon made me buy Canon
I have been a Nikon SLR user for 20 years, using mainly FMs and occasionally
an F3. Having tried digital compacts, I wanted to get a digital SLR. I'm quite keen on manual focus lenses and see no reason why I should have to use autofocus lenses. I was pleased to note that the Nikon bayonet had not changed. I asked Nikon about using my existing lenses from my FM on a D70 and they said: "The D70 needs electronic contacts on the lens with which to communicate and meter. Manual lenses (at least 99.9% of them)do not have these contacts and therefore the camera would be unable to communicate with such lenses. You would therefore be able to use the camera in manual mode only and would have to use an external light meter to ascertain the correct exposure. YOu would obviously also not get TTL flash exposure." Well, if I have to buy new lenses and a new camera, I'm darned well not forking out for Nikon since they don't support their customers, I said. Hence I bought a Canon 300D and an 18-55 lens. I shall purchase more lenses - later. Bye bye Nikon. You don't support your customer base so we're all migrating to Canon! -- Yours Zebedee (Claiming asylum in an attempt to escape paying his debts to Dougal and Florence) |
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Nikon made me buy Canon
"Zebedee" writes:
Well, if I have to buy new lenses and a new camera, I'm darned well not forking out for Nikon since they don't support their customers, I said. Hence I bought a Canon 300D and an 18-55 lens. I shall purchase more lenses - later. Bye bye Nikon. You don't support your customer base so we're all migrating to Canon! You do realize that Canon did a much worse thing a few years back, right? When they went from the FD mount to whatever the auto-focus system they use now is called, they made a *complete* flag-day change; no forward or backward compatibility between the old and the new systems. Whereas I still use my AIS Nikon lenses on my digital SLR perfectly happily. And I can use my Nikon auto-focus lenses on my FM, too. Significant forward and backwards compatibility. -- David Dyer-Bennet, , http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ RKBA: http://noguns-nomoney.com/ http://www.dd-b.net/carry/ Pics: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/ Dragaera/Steven Brust: http://dragaera.info/ |
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Nikon made me buy Canon
"Zebedee" writes:
Well, if I have to buy new lenses and a new camera, I'm darned well not forking out for Nikon since they don't support their customers, I said. Hence I bought a Canon 300D and an 18-55 lens. I shall purchase more lenses - later. Bye bye Nikon. You don't support your customer base so we're all migrating to Canon! You do realize that Canon did a much worse thing a few years back, right? When they went from the FD mount to whatever the auto-focus system they use now is called, they made a *complete* flag-day change; no forward or backward compatibility between the old and the new systems. Whereas I still use my AIS Nikon lenses on my digital SLR perfectly happily. And I can use my Nikon auto-focus lenses on my FM, too. Significant forward and backwards compatibility. -- David Dyer-Bennet, , http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ RKBA: http://noguns-nomoney.com/ http://www.dd-b.net/carry/ Pics: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/ Dragaera/Steven Brust: http://dragaera.info/ |
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Nikon made me buy Canon
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David Dyer-Bennet wrote: You do realize that Canon did a much worse thing a few years back, right? When they went from the FD mount to whatever the auto-focus system they use now is called, they made a *complete* flag-day change; no forward or backward compatibility between the old and the new systems. Whereas I still use my AIS Nikon lenses on my digital SLR perfectly happily. And I can use my Nikon auto-focus lenses on my FM, too. Significant forward and backwards compatibility. The problem is that Nikon considers the D70 and the D100 consumer electronics and not a professional dSLR. The D1 works great with manual focus Nikkors and I assume that the D1H, D1X, and D2H work just as well. The strange thing is that the D70/D100 buyers don't seem to care. It used to be the case that every Nikon body would at least work in stop-down metering mode. I can understand that nobody noticed that the F80 didn't work that way. But at the original price of the D100, you expect at least that it can work properly with old extension tubes, bellows, microscope adaptors, etc. Anyhow, I have played with a D1 and it is a great camera for snapshots. And eventually, the D1X will become affordable. -- The Electronic Monk was a labor-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video recorder. [...] Video recorders watched tedious television for you, thus saving you the bother of looking at it yourself; Electronic Monks believed things for you, [...] -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency |
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Nikon made me buy Canon
"David Dyer-Bennet" wrote in message ... You do realize that Canon did a much worse thing a few years back, right? When they went from the FD mount to whatever the auto-focus system they use now is called, they made a *complete* flag-day change; no forward or backward compatibility between the old and the new systems. Yes. They did BUT Nikon's F4 works with all Nikon MF lenses. So should the D70 etc. They don't. I was forced to buy a new system so I voted with my wallet and bought Canon. Whereas I still use my AIS Nikon lenses on my digital SLR perfectly happily. And I can use my Nikon auto-focus lenses on my FM, too. Significant forward and backwards compatibility. Sure. you can use dAF lenses on an FM but NAI lenses won't work on a D70 which makes the whole exercise utterly pointless. Sure the lenses will fit physically but with no metering, what's the point? The system's as near as dammit incompatible and hence useless. -- Yours Zebedee (Claiming asylum in an attempt to escape paying his debts to Dougal and Florence) |
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Nikon made me buy Canon
Canon stopped making FD mount and non AF bodies more than just a few years
ago (Early eighties?? ) They stopped making one product line... manual focus cameras and lenses and decided to only make AF cameras and lenses. (EOS) Virtually all AF Canon lenses since then are 100% compatible and 100% functional with all Canon EOS (AF) bodies made since this time. (Except for that one 18-55 lens on the Rebel D) There are numerous Nikon lenses that don't have 100% functionality with Nikon bodies that were both made since then. Canon gained 100% through a new lens mount. Nikon couldn't offer this because they believed they could do it all AND retain their lens mount. Buyers of Nikon have to do careful research to find out such facts that AFS lenses would AF on the older F4 but not on the newer F90 (N90), or that a favorite old MF lens wouldn't meter properly on their new AF body. Nikon was claiming backwards compatibility but would introduce new products that were not 100% compatible with their older products. For some, the lens mount was more important, but for others the feature compatibility was more important. It was a big issue in the mid eighties but hardly an argument for today... either way... Most people aren't pros and don't have more than 3 or 4 lenses. (I said MOST... not all) Nowadays... people interested in manual focus cameras can pick up incredible Canon FD L lens optics for cheap, due to the fact that Canon changed their mount. Cheaper than MF Nikon equipment but just as good and sometimes better... D.B. "David Dyer-Bennet" wrote in message ... "Zebedee" writes: Well, if I have to buy new lenses and a new camera, I'm darned well not forking out for Nikon since they don't support their customers, I said. Hence I bought a Canon 300D and an 18-55 lens. I shall purchase more lenses - later. Bye bye Nikon. You don't support your customer base so we're all migrating to Canon! You do realize that Canon did a much worse thing a few years back, right? When they went from the FD mount to whatever the auto-focus system they use now is called, they made a *complete* flag-day change; no forward or backward compatibility between the old and the new systems. Whereas I still use my AIS Nikon lenses on my digital SLR perfectly happily. And I can use my Nikon auto-focus lenses on my FM, too. Significant forward and backwards compatibility. -- David Dyer-Bennet, , http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ RKBA: http://noguns-nomoney.com/ http://www.dd-b.net/carry/ Pics: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/ Dragaera/Steven Brust: http://dragaera.info/ |
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Nikon made me buy Canon
From: "Zebedee"
I have been a Nikon SLR user for 20 years, using mainly FMs and occasionally an F3. Having tried digital compacts, I wanted to get a digital SLR. I'm quite keen on manual focus lenses and see no reason why I should have to use autofocus lenses. I was pleased to note that the Nikon bayonet had not changed. I asked Nikon about using my existing lenses from my FM on a D70 In all fairness to Nikon, if you were still using Canon FD mount manual focus lenses then you wouldn't be able to mount those on the dSLR bodies either since they require the EF mount. Nikon at least held out longer than Canon ... Well, if I have to buy new lenses and a new camera, I'm darned well not forking out for Nikon since they don't support their customers, I said. Hence I bought a Canon 300D and an 18-55 lens. I shall purchase more lenses - later. Bye bye Nikon. You don't support your customer base so we're all migrating to Canon! There is a lengthy list of big-name pros who've switched from Nikon to Canon the past 10 years in the nature photography field (often for the super telephoto IS lenses) and so far as I know almost no big-name guys who switched the other way recently. So you are in good company, though their reasons for switching were different than yours. Two recent examples are well-known bird photographer Tom Vezo, who dumped two F5's, a 600 f/4, a 300 f/2.8 and miscellaneous other Nikon gear after 30 years of Nikon-only photography to switch to Canon, claiming the autofocus on the Canon's was much better, or National Geographic ace Jim Brandenburg, who got the digital bug but was not satisfied with the pixel count on the Nikon dSLR's and made the switch so he could use the 11 Mpixel Canon 1Ds. Bill |
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Nikon made me buy Canon
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David Bindle wrote: Nowadays... people interested in manual focus cameras can pick up incredible Canon FD L lens optics for cheap, due to the fact that Canon changed their mount. Cheaper than MF Nikon equipment but just as good and sometimes better... That suggests that Nikon basically got the right strategy. -- The Electronic Monk was a labor-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video recorder. [...] Video recorders watched tedious television for you, thus saving you the bother of looking at it yourself; Electronic Monks believed things for you, [...] -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency |
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Nikon made me buy Canon
"Philip Homburg" wrote in message .phicoh.net... In article , David Bindle wrote: Nowadays... people interested in manual focus cameras can pick up incredible Canon FD L lens optics for cheap, due to the fact that Canon changed their mount. Cheaper than MF Nikon equipment but just as good and sometimes better... That suggests that Nikon basically got the right strategy. Huh? Once the EOS system proved itself there was an incredible flood of professionals that moved to Canon. So much so that more professionals use Canon 35mm and digital now than Nikon, whereas in the days of manual focus FD's... Nikon enjoyed top choice with professionals That suggests that Canon basically got the right strategy. Frankly.... I don't really care... I can't afford more than a small number of quality lenses anyways. Either Nikon or Canon create tools that I'll never afford and tools that will do a great job that I can afford. It's funny, the biggest impediment nowadays to me being able to produce the pictures I want to is something that doesn't cost any money, but that I can't afford... .... time! D.B. (well... I guess some do believe that time=money) |
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Nikon made me buy Canon
As a mere novice to photography it seems a shame to see so much anti-support
from such big names. Digital photography is a sea-change in taking images - it is a shame to see a customer base being dumped so badly. Didn't N also charge their own customers for proprietery software bundle too? If so, that really does make my nipples hurt. A digital camera does need good software. I'd like to see one of the big brands team up with PSCS as a bundle. Then I may (emphasis on may) part with my hard earned spondoolies to DSLR - I mean DSLR + Lenses + software sorta makes sense in a bundle and to assist conversion from 35mm to digital Artie "Bill Hilton" wrote in message ... From: "Zebedee" I have been a Nikon SLR user for 20 years, using mainly FMs and occasionally an F3. Having tried digital compacts, I wanted to get a digital SLR. I'm quite keen on manual focus lenses and see no reason why I should have to use autofocus lenses. I was pleased to note that the Nikon bayonet had not changed. I asked Nikon about using my existing lenses from my FM on a D70 In all fairness to Nikon, if you were still using Canon FD mount manual focus lenses then you wouldn't be able to mount those on the dSLR bodies either since they require the EF mount. Nikon at least held out longer than Canon ... Well, if I have to buy new lenses and a new camera, I'm darned well not forking out for Nikon since they don't support their customers, I said. Hence I bought a Canon 300D and an 18-55 lens. I shall purchase more lenses - later. Bye bye Nikon. You don't support your customer base so we're all migrating to Canon! There is a lengthy list of big-name pros who've switched from Nikon to Canon the past 10 years in the nature photography field (often for the super telephoto IS lenses) and so far as I know almost no big-name guys who switched the other way recently. So you are in good company, though their reasons for switching were different than yours. Two recent examples are well-known bird photographer Tom Vezo, who dumped two F5's, a 600 f/4, a 300 f/2.8 and miscellaneous other Nikon gear after 30 years of Nikon-only photography to switch to Canon, claiming the autofocus on the Canon's was much better, or National Geographic ace Jim Brandenburg, who got the digital bug but was not satisfied with the pixel count on the Nikon dSLR's and made the switch so he could use the 11 Mpixel Canon 1Ds. Bill |
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