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Which one to buy Canon PowerShot SX30 IS or Leica V-Lux 2
I am going to buy Canon PowerShot SX30 IS or Leica V-Lux 2 or are there any
others to think. Or are there coming better ones in a two or three months -- Juha Heinonen |
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Which one to buy Canon PowerShot SX30 IS or Leica V-Lux 2
There's an awful lot of negativism out there on the SX30; I've got one and I
love it. Problem is it's a P&S and I guess people are buying it expecting SLR results. I didn't expect SLR performance and results and therefore I'm very contented with my purchase. "Mulperi" wrote in message ... I am going to buy Canon PowerShot SX30 IS or Leica V-Lux 2 or are there any others to think. Or are there coming better ones in a two or three months -- Juha Heinonen |
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Which one to buy Canon PowerShot SX30 IS or Leica V-Lux 2
On 16/04/2011, MC wrote:
If all cameras produced the same quality image, using the same quality components and lenses, then the only difference in cameras from the different manufacturers would be the shape and design and all would cost around the same. MC And still the results would vary dramatically. Photographers would understand how the camera will capture a scene and what the results will be. Others will just snap everything in front of them without regard to composition and colour rendition. -- N |
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Which one to buy Canon PowerShot SX30 IS or Leica V-Lux 2
"Mulperi" wrote in message ... I am going to buy Canon PowerShot SX30 IS or Leica V-Lux 2 or are there any others to think. Or are there coming better ones in a two or three months -- Juha Heinonen Have a look at the Nikon P500. MG |
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Which one to buy Canon PowerShot SX30 IS or Leica V-Lux 2
On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 22:22:51 GMT, "MC" wrote:
ASCII wrote: jim wrote: There's an awful lot of negativism out there on the SX30; Is that negativism from actual owners or those who wish they were? I've got one and I love it. Problem is it's a P&S and I guess people are buying it expecting SLR results. SLR results like more weight, less features, and higher cost? I'm very contented with my purchase. Me too! You forgot image/sensor quality (in the majority of cases) and the ability to choose the quality/type of glass with which to capture that image, rather than be stuck with inferior sensors and cheap lenses stuck to the front of the majority of the P&Ss. You mean like the ability to buy a 3X zoom lens for that DSLR, the lens alone for the cost of the whole superzoom camera? Like this 3X DSLR lens that is easily beaten by a 20X "cheap lens stuck to the front of" the superzoom camera? http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Canon_PowerShot_SX10_IS/outdoor_results.shtml Do you know that it costs about $5,500 in DSLR glass just to try to EQUAL the focal-lengths, performance, and aperture of that "cheap lens stuck to the front of" that superzoom camera? That's no speculation, that's a hard cold fact. Admittedly, entry level/starter SLRs are not much better than some P&Ss but go up the scale to the semi pro/pro versions of these SLRs and you are talking a different ball game. MC Admittedly, entry level/starter newsgroup DSLR trolls are absolute morons, as are all who promotes their archaic last-century slapping-mirror and slow-sync shutters and crud-covered sensors that need constant cleaning lest all your shots for weeks be ruined with no way to recreate them, but they're not as moronic as you are. |
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Which one to buy Canon PowerShot SX30 IS or Leica V-Lux 2
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 21:23:43 +0100, Bruce wrote:
You have suggested two cameras that have slightly larger sensors, and that are therefore likely to have better image quality. Get it through your ****ing thick skulls. The sensor has NOTHING TO DO WITH IMAGE QUALITY, UNLESS YOU NEED TO SHOOT AT HIGH ISOs. And even then, smaller sensors can easily surpass the low-noise levels of larger sensors by using stacking methods. Or, conversely, using the MUCH larger apertures available at the long focal-lengths afforded by superzoom lenses, so high ISOs aren't even required. IT IS THE LENS WHICH DETERMINES IMAGE QUALITY. And in that case, compact and superzoom cameras MUST have their lens elements figured to diffraction-limited quality -- THE BEST THERE IS -- in order to resolve details on those smaller photosites. THIS IS WHY THEY CAN OFTEN SURPASS THE RESOLUTION AND PERFORMANCE OF DSLR GLASS. DSLR glass is sloppy, for TWO reasons: 1) it is much more difficult to figure larger diameter optics to diffraction-limited curvatures at a cost that the consumer is willing to pay, and 2) at wider apertures they cannot provide the required resolution to resolve details down to photosite levels. OWNING AND BUYING A DSLR AND DSLR GLASS IS *NO* GUARANTEE THAT YOU WILL GET BETTER IMAGES JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE LARGER SENSORS. YOU ****INGLY IGNORANT AND PATHETIC MORONS. JUST LIKE EVERY DSLR PROPONENT AND OWNER--****ING MORONS. EACH AND EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU. |
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Which one to buy Canon PowerShot SX30 IS or Leica V-Lux 2
MC wrote:
Outing Trolls is FUN! wrote: http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Canon_PowerShot_SX10_IS/outdoor_results.shtml Broken kit zoom lens. Broken troll record. Do you know that it costs about $5,500 in DSLR glass just to try to EQUAL the focal-lengths, performance, and aperture of that "cheap lens stuck to the front of" that superzoom camera? That's no speculation, that's a hard cold fact. I would rather buy quality rather than quantity. Which is wise. But you also buy quantity: Said PowerShot SX10 IS has 5-100mm focal length, a less than impressive quality at ISO 400 and above (yes, real photographers only use ISO 0.5, Sybil, we know) and an aperture of 2-17.5mm. Except for the 5mm all are easily beaten by a DSLR (warning: this is a hard, cold fact) --- and the 5mm do not confer a particularly wide angle due to the tiny sensor. So you'd buy quality and quantity. Try 28mm aperture. Or 111mm aperture. Or 214mm aperture. All available for DSLRs. Some for less, some for more money. -Wolfgang |
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Which one to buy Canon PowerShot SX30 IS or Leica V-Lux 2
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:27:01 +0200, Wolfgang Weisselberg
wrote: MC wrote: Outing Trolls is FUN! wrote: http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Canon_PowerShot_SX10_IS/outdoor_results.shtml Broken kit zoom lens. Broken troll record. Do you know that it costs about $5,500 in DSLR glass just to try to EQUAL the focal-lengths, performance, and aperture of that "cheap lens stuck to the front of" that superzoom camera? That's no speculation, that's a hard cold fact. I would rather buy quality rather than quantity. Which is wise. But you also buy quantity: Said PowerShot SX10 IS has 5-100mm focal length, a less than impressive quality at ISO 400 and above (yes, real photographers only use ISO 0.5, Sybil, we know) and an aperture of 2-17.5mm. Can you get any more trollishly deceptive? Except for the 5mm all are easily beaten by a DSLR (warning: this is a hard, cold fact) --- and the 5mm do not confer a particularly wide angle due to the tiny sensor. Huh, funny that. I have posted 9mm and 16mm EFL photos with ZERO CA in them, sharp, edge to edge, taken with a superzoom camera. Too bad you missed those. Other's didn't. That's why they have now shut the **** up with displaying the very same ignorance that you are displaying now. So you'd buy quality and quantity. Try 28mm aperture. Or 111mm aperture. Or 214mm aperture. All available for DSLRs. Some for less, some for more money. -Wolfgang Yes, let's see you haul around and take handheld shots with 214mm (8.5") aperture. LOL!!!!!!! Not to mention all the other required lenses to try to equal the image quality of superzoom cameras. What's that going to set you back? About $200,000 now? You're slipping as a pretend-photographer troll. YOUR FIRED! LOL!!!!!! |
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Which one to buy Canon PowerShot SX30 IS or Leica V-Lux 2
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 14:44:12 -0500, Outing Trolls is FUN!
wrote: Yes, let's see you haul around and take handheld shots with 214mm (8.5") aperture. LOL!!!!!!! Not to mention all the other required lenses to try to equal the image quality of superzoom cameras. What's that going to set you back? About $200,000 now? You're slipping as a pretend-photographer troll. YOUR FIRED! I have to admit that Mothboy doesn't make a lot of stupid errors in his writing. (Just stupid comments.) However, here he's signing the post as the person who was fired. If only Wolfgang could! -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |
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Which one to buy Canon PowerShot SX30 IS or Leica V-Lux 2
Lying Trolls are us! wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:27:01 +0200, Wolfgang Weisselberg MC wrote: Outing Trolls is FUN! wrote: Broken kit zoom lens. Broken troll record. No answer is an answer. Said PowerShot SX10 IS has 5-100mm focal length, a less than impressive quality at ISO 400 and above (yes, real photographers only use ISO 0.5, Sybil, we know) and an aperture of 2-17.5mm. Can you get any more trollishly deceptive? I could try to pretent some unsharp fuzz was a rare moth, but you do it much better. I guess you don't like hard facts like straight numbers. Except for the 5mm all are easily beaten by a DSLR (warning: this is a hard, cold fact) --- and the 5mm do not confer a particularly wide angle due to the tiny sensor. Huh, funny that. I have posted 9mm and 16mm EFL photos with ZERO CA in them, sharp, edge to edge, taken with a superzoom camera. At 200x300 pixels and high JPEG compression they might appear "sharp" and "without visible CA". Of course, you would have to buy extra lenses for that. Too bad you missed those. So you copied some DSLR shots, noised them, unsharpened them and overcompressed the JPEG? No wonder they are taken down by the police faster than one can look at them. If they were genuine, they'd be available permanently, and since your magical superzoom can do anything, you'd present them in full resolution or at least 100% crops to show off the image quality. Other's didn't. That's why they have now shut the **** up with displaying the very same ignorance that you are displaying now. Mu-ha-ha. They are just ignoring you troll. (if not, they'd be posting long diatribes correcting me! See?) So you'd buy quality and quantity. Try 28mm aperture. Or 111mm aperture. Or 214mm aperture. All available for DSLRs. Some for less, some for more money. Yes, let's see you haul around and take handheld shots with 214mm (8.5") aperture. LOL!!!!!!! Let's see you take any shots with a 28mm aperture on your soup-zoom camera first. After all, that's just a cheap 50mm f/1.8 --- you sure can match it's shallow DOF and light gathering capabilities with your superzoom, right? Not to mention all the other required lenses to try to equal the image quality of superzoom cameras. What's that going to set you back? About $200,000 now? Mo I'd have to get lenses designed to be as bad as soup-zoom camera lenses. Or less: just smear vaseline on a filter and put it in front of a perfectly good lens. After all, you said image quality, not angle of view. (not that *you'd* be able to produce anything worthwile with 560mm EFL.) You're slipping as a pretend-photographer troll. YOUR FIRED! Your mixing up of "your" and "you are" (aka "you're") shows your mastery of the English language is better than your soup-zoom's quality. LOL!!!!!! See? Six exclamation marks? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants over his head. Opera can do that to a man. Or soup-zooms. -Wolf'I have a new superzoom and an old DSLR. Guess.'gang |
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