Chance to Photo MLB's World Series 2007 Game 4

My wife likes baseball and thought this would be an enticement for me
to "go" to a big game.

http://promotions.monster.com/2007mlbworldseries/

Now read the rules

http://promotions.monster.com/2007ml...ries/rules.asp

Pay particular attention to rule #7

Now can someone explain the second to last sentence in rule #5?

How irritated would they be if I brought my own camera? ;-)

Good luck to anyone that enters.

Jim

JimKramer wrote:

My wife likes baseball and thought this would be an enticement for me
to "go" to a big game.

http://promotions.monster.com/2007mlbworldseries/

Now read the rules

http://promotions.monster.com/2007ml...ries/rules.asp

Pay particular attention to rule #7

"Grand Prize winner shall have no right of approval, no claim to
compensation, and no claim (including, without limitation, claims based
on invasion of privacy, defamation, or right of publicity) arising out
of any use, blurring, alteration, or use in composite form of the
Submission(s) including Grand Prize winner’s name, picture, likeness,
address (city and state), e-mail address, voice, biographical
information, written or oral statements or entry."

Now can someone explain the second to last sentence in rule #5?

"If potential winner is a Canadian resident, he/she must correctly
answer a mathematical skill testing question as a condition of being
awarded the prize."

How irritated would they be if I brought my own camera? ;-)

Good luck to anyone that enters.

Jim



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JimKramer wrote:

My wife likes baseball and thought this would be an enticement for me
to "go" to a big game.

http://promotions.monster.com/2007mlbworldseries/

Now read the rules

http://promotions.monster.com/2007ml...ries/rules.asp

Pay particular attention to rule #7

Their contest, their rules, ... their copyright.

They call it a *job*. I guess that would make it "work for hire".

Kind of a low average day rate: $1000 + "expenses" (transportation,
lodging, admission ...). I bet the Sports Illustrated guys get paid more.

This kind of "we own the pictures if you enter our contest" language
seems to be pretty common with a LOT of photo "contests". I've even seen
that language in contests sponsored by camera manufacturers, who should
know better. Although the more common restriction from camera
manufacturers contests is you have to take the image with their brand of
camera, i.e. if it's Canon's contest, you can't submit images taken with
Minolta, Nikon, Olympus, Pentax, Sony ... same for Nikon, Olympus,
Pentax, and Sony contests.

I wouldn't care all that much if I could be sure that any future use of
the images would credit me by name as the photographer.

Something like: Photo by P (c) copyright 2007 by MJ.C

Wouldn't make anything off the contest pictures, but it might help me
drum up some business otherwise.

But it ain't gonna happen. They may have the winner's name on the
contest site, but if the photos are used anywhere else, all that's
gonna' appear is the "copyright by M"; no credit to the photographer.


Now can someone explain the second to last sentence in rule #5?


Pure boiler-plate legalese.

Probably because Canada has some law against sweepstakes gambling the
lawyers figured would affect this promotion in Canada. I bet it appears
in any give-away promotional contest that includes Canada.

Rule #4 says it's a random drawing from all entries; a "game of chance"
if you will, i.e. gambling.

The next to last sentence in rule #5 *technically* changes it to a "game
of skill", rather than a "game of chance", if the winner happens to be
from Canada.

I doubt the "mathematical skill testing question" is more difficult than
"What do you get when you add 2 + 2?"

Note the last sentence:

: All disputes will be resolved under applicable U.S. and Canadian laws.


The U.S. version of the disclaimer would be something like "Offer not
valid where licensed, taxed, restricted or prohibited by law".

Actually, that's in there in rule #1 -

: Open to legal residents of the 50 United States and the District of
: Columbia and Canada (excluding the province of Quebec), who are eighteen
: (18) years of age or older or the age of majority in your jurisdiction,
: whichever is older. Void in Quebec and where prohibited by law, rule or
: regulation.

Isn't there still a Major League Baseball team somewhere in Canada?

I thought there was one in Montreal; which, if my dim recollection of
grade-school geography serves me well, was/is located somewhere in the
province of Quebec.

Or has it moved somewhere else? The team, not Montreal.

How irritated would they be if I brought my own camera? ;-)


Not at all I should think.

The grand prize includes a Nikon D40 camera. No mention of a Nikon lens
to go ON the camera ... so do you think they'd expect you to bring along
your own lens?

Anyway, if you win the grand prize, it IS your own camera ...

.... or will be after you pay ALL EXPENSES, TAXES AND COSTS ASSOCIATED
WITH ACCEPTANCE AND USE OF THE PRIZES ...

I doubt they care what camera the pictures are taken with, only that
they'll own the copyright after they're taken.


Good luck to anyone that enters.

Jim


I expect someone will be quite happy with their new Nikon D40 and won't
give a hoot at all that someone else ends up with the copyright to their
prize winning photographs.

So who are these guys anyway? Is this the same as Monster Jobs dot Com?

As best I can make out, you aren't entering any photographs UNLESS
you're the grand prize winner. At least I didn't see anywhere you could
submit photos to the contest.

In fact it doesn't look like a photography contest at all. The
photography's part of the PRIZE, not a requirement for entry. I bet
whoever wins it isn't even a photographer at all.

What it looks like they're really doing is using this as a come-on to
get you to post a resume on their site.

The real prize is a free trip to the game with access to the field &
players ... oh and by the way, you get a free Nikon camera too.

No Kodachrome though.

On Aug 4, 12:42 pm, Pudentame wrote:
JimKramer wrote:
My wife likes baseball and thought this would be an enticement for me
to "go" to a big game.

http://promotions.monster.com/2007mlbworldseries/

Now read the rules

http://promotions.monster.com/2007ml...ries/rules.asp

Pay particular attention to rule #7

Their contest, their rules, ... their copyright.
Except that everyting MLB is copyright MLB. :-)

{Snip}
I thought there was one in Montreal; which, if my dim recollection of
grade-school geography serves me well, was/is located somewhere in the
province of Quebec.

Or has it moved somewhere else? The team, not Montreal.

Toronto, but MLB can and will move Montreal when and if it sees fit.
They certainly can afford to do so.

How irritated would they be if I brought my own camera? ;-)

Not at all I should think.

The grand prize includes a Nikon D40 camera. No mention of a Nikon lens
to go ON the camera ... so do you think they'd expect you to bring along
your own lens?

Anyway, if you win the grand prize, it IS your own camera ...

... or will be after you pay ALL EXPENSES, TAXES AND COSTS ASSOCIATED
WITH ACCEPTANCE AND USE OF THE PRIZES ...

I doubt they care what camera the pictures are taken with, only that
they'll own the copyright after they're taken.

Good luck to anyone that enters.

Jim

I expect someone will be quite happy with their new Nikon D40 and won't
give a hoot at all that someone else ends up with the copyright to their
prize winning photographs.

So who are these guys anyway? Is this the same as Monster Jobs dot Com?

The same.

As best I can make out, you aren't entering any photographs UNLESS
you're the grand prize winner. At least I didn't see anywhere you could
submit photos to the contest.

In fact it doesn't look like a photography contest at all. The
photography's part of the PRIZE, not a requirement for entry. I bet
whoever wins it isn't even a photographer at all.

It's not but if you take pictures you give up the copyright.

What it looks like they're really doing is using this as a come-on to
get you to post a resume on their site.

The real prize is a free trip to the game with access to the field &
players ... oh and by the way, you get a free Nikon camera too.

No Kodachrome though.

You could take one of those archaic camera that use that transparent
media stuff, but then all the viewers would wonder what you were doing
when you changed rolls. :-)

On 04 Aug 2007 in rec.photo.equipment.35mm, Pudentame wrote:

Isn't there still a Major League Baseball team somewhere in Canada?

Toronto. http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/

I thought there was one in Montreal; which, if my dim recollection of
grade-school geography serves me well, was/is located somewhere in the
province of Quebec.

Or has it moved somewhere else? The team, not Montreal.

The Team Formerly Known as les Éxpo are now the Washington Nationals.

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JimKramer wrote:
My wife likes baseball and thought this would be an enticement for me
to "go" to a big game.

http://promotions.monster.com/2007mlbworldseries/

Now read the rules

http://promotions.monster.com/2007ml...ries/rules.asp

Pay particular attention to rule #7

Now can someone explain the second to last sentence in rule #5?

By law in Canada company promotional contests won by random drawing
(rule 4) must have a "skill" evaluated to eliminate "chance". (I know
this sounds stupid but that's because it is stupid).

So kudos to Monster for including Canadians. A lot of US contests
simply exclude Canadians due to this idiotic law.

Some US based contests include Canada but exclude Quebec as Quebec has a
law requiring that contests post a bond as well as a tax on contests.

(See rule #1 of the monster contest. For this stupidity blame it on the
Quebec government).

The questions cannot be totally stupid (2+2), but should be
"challenging" like:

Divide 1000 by 5
Subtract 100
Add 20.

But can also be like: "Guess the number of jelly beans in the jar"

Frankly it's probably unconstitutional as even stupid people should be
allowed to win something once in a while by chance or otherwise ...
that's what all the provincial lotteries do. (aka "stupid tax").

Cheers,
Alan


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"JimKramer" wrote in message
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My wife likes baseball and thought this would be an enticement for me
to "go" to a big game.

http://promotions.monster.com/2007mlbworldseries/

Now read the rules

http://promotions.monster.com/2007ml...ries/rules.asp

Pay particular attention to rule #7

Now can someone explain the second to last sentence in rule #5?

"If potential winner is a Canadian resident, he/she must correctly
answer a mathematical skill testing question as a condition of being
awarded the prize."

Go to Yahoo, plug in "games of chance", Canada; and you get the following as
the first item:
http://www.gaminglawmasters.com/juri...nceOct2004.htm

Games of Skill and Chance in Canada

By Michael D. Lipton, Q.C. & Kevin Weber

Introduction

Betting and gaming operations are illegal in Canada. The combined effect of
sections 197 to 206 of the Canadian Criminal Code (the "Code") has the
effect of making any for-profit gaming or betting enterprise illegal, doing
so in language broad enough to capture almost any activity in which people
pay money for a chance to win a greater value than they stake.

The casinos, slots and other gambling activities licensed by the provinces
of Canada exist as a result of explicit exceptions created by the various
provisions of section 207 of the Code.

Then there are the "games" played for a chance to win valuable items,
including the ubiquitous promotional contests that are a regular part of
many marketing plans. The Code contains no explicit exemption allowing
these games to operate. Their right to exist has been carved out of real
and perceived "gaps" in the scope of activities covered by sections 197 to
206 of the Code. This paper will canvass in detail the sections of the Code
applicable to "games," and the way contests of various sorts theoretically
exempt themselves from prosecution by the addition of a "skill-testing
question" and a "free-entry alternative."

"JimKramer" wrote in message You could take one of
those archaic camera that use that transparent
media stuff, but then all the viewers would wonder what you were doing
when you changed rolls. :-)

You mean the ones with the single use, throw away electro-chemical sensing
plane?