If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#21
|
|||
|
|||
frightening declassified images
On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 18:34:42 -0800 (PST), RichA
wrote: On Friday, 22 January 2016 15:44:05 UTC-5, Eric Stevens wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 10:00:01 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote: On Friday, 22 January 2016 12:28:39 UTC-5, Savageduck wrote: On Jan 22, 2016, PAS wrote (in article ): On 1/22/2016 12:08 PM, PeterN wrote: These declassified images recall what I think should be our biggest real concern http://www.alternatewars.com/Bomb_Loading/Bomb_Guide.htm I thought global warming is supposed to be our biggest concern. Active use of the current global nuclear weapon inventory is certainly going to accelerate global warming. Until it brings on global cooling, aka, "nuclear winter." Though the envirokooks never did say why thousands of tests they did never had that effect. Because they were spread over both time and place and most of them were underground. -- Regards, Eric Stevens Only later on. Truth was, most targeted nukes were to be air bursts and would generate little dust or even fall-out. Only strikes on nuclear silos or buried facilities would have raised dust. Also, even at the height of testing (1963) the average person's exposure to generated radiation amounted to about 1/500th the natural yearly dose. Which has got nothing to do with a nuclear winter. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
#22
|
|||
|
|||
frightening declassified images
On 1/22/16 12:08 PM, PeterN wrote:
These declassified images recall what I think should be our biggest real concern http://www.alternatewars.com/Bomb_Loading/Bomb_Guide.htm I wonder how much radiation those workers were exposed to. |
#23
|
|||
|
|||
frightening declassified images
On Jan 23, 2016, Robert Peirce wrote
(in article ): On 1/22/16 12:08 PM, PeterN wrote: These declassified images recall what I think should be our biggest real concern http://www.alternatewars.com/Bomb_Loading/Bomb_Guide.htm I wonder how much radiation those workers were exposed to. Probably not as much as the GI's exposed during some of the tests in the late 40's early 50’s. However, working on that project was not without its dangers particularly for those who worked at the Los Alamos lab, Oak Ridge and especially Hanford. There were accidents at Los Alamos the most famous of which involved two critical mass experiments a year apart with the same plutonium-gallium bomb core. The first was in 1945 when Harry K. Daghlian irradiated himself when he accidently dropped a tungsten-carbide brick onto the core he died 25 days later. On May 21, 1946 in preparation for the “Crossroads” tests at Bikini Atoll a Canadian physicist, Louis Slotin, while conducting a criticality experiment with the same core which killed Daghlian, triggered a “prompt critical” reaction with a burst of “hard radiation” when a screw driver slipped exposing him to a lethal dose of neutron radiation. He died nine days later in what can only be described as a horrifying and agonizing death. There were 7 others in the room at the time of the accident, each recieved different levels of irradiation none of which was quantified as none of them was wearing a dosimeter badge. Those were locked in a secure box 100ft away. Three of those died of conditions directly related to the exposure recieved at the accident. Alvin Graves suffered acute radiation sickness, and for the rest of his life suffered chronic neurological and vision problems. Marion Edward Cieslicki died 19 years later of acute myeloid leukemia. Young also suffered neurologic and vision damage and died from aplastic anemia and chronic bacterial infection. After that accident all hands-on critical assembly and experiment work at Los Alamos stopped and was restricted to isolation rooms with all work done using remote controlled manipulators. The “demon core” as it had come to be known was used in the “Able” detonation of the Crossroads tests. -- Regards, Savageduck |
#24
|
|||
|
|||
frightening declassified images
On 2016-01-23 14:18:19 +0000, Savageduck said:
On Jan 23, 2016, Robert Peirce wrote (in article ): On 1/22/16 12:08 PM, PeterN wrote: These declassified images recall what I think should be our biggest real concern http://www.alternatewars.com/Bomb_Loading/Bomb_Guide.htm I wonder how much radiation those workers were exposed to. Probably not as much as the GI's exposed during some of the tests in the late 40's early 50’s. However, working on that project was not without its dangers particularly for those who worked at the Los Alamos lab, Oak Ridge and especially Hanford. There were accidents at Los Alamos the most famous of which involved two critical mass experiments a year apart with the same plutonium-gallium bomb core. The first was in 1945 when Harry K. Daghlian irradiated himself when he accidently dropped a tungsten-carbide brick onto the core he died 25 days later. On May 21, 1946 in preparation for the “Crossroads” tests at Bikini Atoll a Canadian physicist, Louis Slotin, while conducting a criticality experiment with the same core which killed Daghlian, triggered a “prompt critical” reaction with a burst of “hard radiation” when a screw driver slipped exposing him to a lethal dose of neutron radiation. He died nine days later in what can only be described as a horrifying and agonizing death. There were 7 others in the room at the time of the accident, each recieved different levels of irradiation none of which was quantified as none of them was wearing a dosimeter badge. Those were locked in a secure box 100ft away. Three of those died of conditions directly related to the exposure recieved at the accident. Alvin Graves suffered acute radiation sickness, and for the rest of his life suffered chronic neurological and vision problems. Marion Edward Cieslicki died 19 years later of acute myeloid leukemia. Dwight Young also suffered neurologic and vision damage and died from aplastic anemia and chronic bacterial infection. After that accident all hands-on critical assembly and experiment work at Los Alamos stopped and was restricted to isolation rooms with all work done using remote controlled manipulators. The “demon core” as it had come to be known was used in the “Able” detonation of the Crossroads tests. This was the last anybody saw of the "Demon Core": http://www.mnh.si.edu/onehundredyears/expeditions/Bikini/SIA2010-0974_large.jpg Then coincidentally, but not necessarily related to their work, J. Robert Openheimer, a chronic chain smoker, died from throat cancer, and Richard Feynman died from two rare forms of cancer, liposarcoma and Waldenstrom's macroglobulinemia -- Regards, Savageduck |
#25
|
|||
|
|||
frightening declassified images
On 1/22/2016 11:25 PM, rickman wrote:
On 1/22/2016 10:33 PM, Savageduck wrote: On Jan 22, 2016, rickman wrote (in article ): On 1/22/2016 8:46 PM, Davoud wrote: John McWilliams: So, who, when and where was the switch made from the fat white bomb to the cylindrical black one? A bit confusing. They are different bombs. "Fat Man" (the second bomb to be dropped, Nagasaki) had a diameter of 1.5 meters. "Little Boy" had a diameter of 71 cm. Fat Man was a plutonium bomb, Little Boy used U-235 as its fissile material. Fat Man was a more advanced design, with considerably more energy released than Little Boy. I see one in a photo called "Thin Man" and they talk about a bomb with that name in the show "Manhattan". I've only heard of the two above. Was "Thin Man" an alternate gun type bomb? In the show they talk about "Fat Man" working with a lot less fissile material. Is that the reason "Thin Man" was dropped in favor of "Fat Man"? “Thin Man” was never dropped. It only existed as a trigger mechanism. “Thin Man” was the trigger gun mechanism not the bomb and never reached fruition as a bomb. A converted “Thin Man” trigger gun mechanism was used in the “Little Boy” bomb. Only one “Little Boy” bomb, with the “Thin Man” trigger substituting uranium for plutonium was ever detonated, that was the Hiroshima bomb. During the Manhattan Project there was a “Thin Man” bomb developed, never completed, which used a plutonium gun trigger. This proved to be unstable and dangerous because of high concentrations of plutonium-240 resulting in spontaneous fission in the triggers. It was abandoned in July 1944 and the engineering of the “Thin Man” triggers was converted for use in the “Little Boy” bomb using enriched uranium. “Fat Man” was a complicated implosion detonated device with a plutonium-240 core. The triggering was trickier so regardless of being the type used for the first atomic blast in New Mexico, it was deemed best to use the simpler“Little Boy” uranium-235 bomb with the “Thin Man” heritage gun for the first war time atomic detonation, with “Fat Man” playing the follow up role at Nagasaki. ....and Fat Man with a 14Lb plutonium core had a 20 kiloton yield, compared with the “Little Boy” yield of 15 kilotons with a 140 Lb uranium-235 core. Thanks for the clarification. I thought the yield of these weapons were higher than that, more than 100 ktons. Very scary to know of the destruction these bombs caused in the context of many megaton bombs we now have. I can't picture the result if we had a nuclear war. I really can't imagine it. Which is exactly why I used that subject line, which I thought would be apolitical. I wonder why we haven't reduced our stocks of nuclear weapons further? Wouldn't that still be in the interest of all parties involved or have we already reduced them to a point where further reductions might make us seem weak to the countries other than the Russians? -- PeterN |
#26
|
|||
|
|||
frightening declassified images
On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 00:43:17 -0500, Davoud wrote:
rickman: Thanks for the clarification. I thought the yield of these weapons were higher than that, more than 100 ktons. Very scary to know of the destruction these bombs caused in the context of many megaton bombs we now have. I can't picture the result if we had a nuclear war. I really can't imagine it. It's the airburst that causes such widespread destruction from a relatively small warhead. As for picturing the result of a nuclear war, you have seen it in photos of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. So has the rest of the world, and that's why we haven't had a nuclear war. I wonder why we haven't reduced our stocks of nuclear weapons further? Wouldn't that still be in the interest of all parties involved or have we already reduced them to a point where further reductions might make us seem weak to the countries other than the Russians? Unless a way is found to rid the world of all nuclear weapons we need to maintain an adequate stockpile of deterrent nuclear weapons. If the leadership of a ****-ant DPRK or Iran should go nuts and lob a nuke or two our way they need to know that whatever we suffer they will suffer a hundredfold. If a U.S. regime goes nuts under the influence of apocalyptic "Christian" fundamentalists who want to bring on their imagined god's apocalypse, then all bets are off and everybody loses. To date only two countries have developed nuclear weapons and then abandoned them: South Africa and Taiwan. Best case is that we have warning via SIGINT or HUMINT, or both, that a nutso regime is planning an attack. We could tell them what we know and warn them of the dire consequences. If that doesn't produce an immediate reversal we should not rule out a first strike in such an instance. A few people, including me, believed that during the Iran hostage crisis in the 70's we should have detonated a small nuke in a remote part of Iran and told the Iranians that they had 48 hours to release the hostages or we would write off the hostages as lost anyway and burn Iran to the ground. I believe that would have gotten their attention and they would have complied. In the same way that the bombing of Japan was really meant as a warning to the Soviet Union, the nut cases of the world would take a lesson from such an action. Trying to scare Iran or any islamist with the bomb won't work. Not with someone who says that unlike the west, who looks to life, WE look to death. They want their one 72 year old virgin. Dave: Old age comes at an inconventient time HONK if you do everything people tell you to do. |
#27
|
|||
|
|||
frightening declassified images
In article ,
PeterN wrote: These declassified images recall what I think should be our biggest real concern http://www.alternatewars.com/Bomb_Loading/Bomb_Guide.htm You not using proper caps are frightening! Were did you hide the real PeterN? -- teleportation kills |
#28
|
|||
|
|||
frightening declassified images
In article , PAS wrote:
On 1/22/2016 12:08 PM, PeterN wrote: These declassified images recall what I think should be our biggest real concern http://www.alternatewars.com/Bomb_Loading/Bomb_Guide.htm I thought global warming is supposed to be our biggest concern. After the the demise of caps on PeterNs keyboard. And me... -- teleportation kills |
#29
|
|||
|
|||
frightening declassified images
In article , Old Geezerr
says... Trying to scare Iran or any islamist with the bomb won't work. Not with someone who says that unlike the west, who looks to life, WE look to death. They want their one 72 year old virgin. You have some very strange views of Iran. It's not a country of extremists. I suggest that you travel there and have a look at the place. -- Alfred Molon Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/ http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site |
#30
|
|||
|
|||
frightening declassified images
Per Old Geezerr:
Not with someone who says that unlike the west, who looks to life, WE look to death. They want their one 72 year old virgin. ================================================== ================ After getting nailed by the U.S. Seal team, Osama makes his way to the pearly gates. There, he is greeted by George Washington. "How dare you attack the nation I helped conceive!" yells Mr. Washington, slapping Osama in the face. Patrick Henry comes up from behind. "You wanted to end the Americans' liberty, so they gave you death!" Henry punches Osama on the nose. James Madison comes up next, and says "This is why I allowed the Federal government to provide for the common defense!" He drops a large weight on Osama's knee. Osama is subject to similar beatings from John Randolph of Roanoke, James Monroe, and 65 other people who have the same love for liberty and America. As he writhes on the ground, Thomas Jefferson picks him up to hurl him back toward the gate where he is to be judged. As Osama awaits his journey to his final very hot destination, he screams "This is not what I was promised!" An angel replies "I told you there would be 72 Virginians waiting for you. What did you think I said?" ================================================== ================ -- Pete Cresswell |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Converting Konica Picture Show images to JPEG images | Alan Browne | Digital Photography | 0 | December 31st 15 02:47 PM |
Converting Konica Picture Show images to JPEG images | Savageduck[_3_] | Digital Photography | 1 | May 30th 14 08:06 PM |
Organizing working images, archiving all images, what approach to take? | nano | Digital SLR Cameras | 23 | January 21st 08 11:46 PM |
clear images on auto, noisy images on manual | [email protected] | Digital Photography | 4 | June 19th 07 03:27 PM |
Tool for converting 12-bit TIFF images to 16-bit TIFF-images? | Peter Frank | Digital Photography | 23 | December 13th 04 02:41 AM |