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Photo Editing 2017 - An Opinion
In article , Tony Cooper
wrote: There are members of my camera clubs that I call "cat and squirrel photographers". They take excellent shots of certain subjects, but they don't have the imagination to see a photograph in something off-beat or not normally subject matter. Actually, "cat and flower photographers" describes them better. So many photographers go for the trite and ordinary instead of looking for what could be interesting. perhaps they find that to be interesting and not at all ordinary. they get to decide that, not you. |
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Photo Editing 2017 - An Opinion
On 1/23/2017 12:44 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-01-23 16:19:43 +0000, Neil said: On 1/23/2017 10:54 AM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-01-23 15:19:27 +0000, Neil said: On 1/23/2017 10:06 AM, Savageduck wrote: This is an interesting take on the state of post processing/photo editing in 2017 from Matt Kloskowski. https://mattk.com/state-post-processing-photo-editing-2017/ Following his directions, I had to stop reading after his disclaimer. ;-) You should take his disclaimer with a pinch of salt and continue reading, it is, as I said an interesting opinion. Particularly coming from an individual who has made a career of promoting post processing/photo editing software and various plugins. Well, I did start reading beyond his disclaimer, and soon realized that it was an article abut the use of plug-ins. So, he was right, the article isn't intended for folks like me who have been editing images digitally for at least a decade before the first plug-in was introduced. So, I don't use them at all. It is a bit more than that considering where some software has gone and that many of the RAW processors do much the same thing. Today digital photographers have a much wider software choice when it comes to processing and editing their digital images. The trick is simplifying the workflow so as not to create a quagmire to be bogged down with. I have been as guilty of this as the next guy, but I have been controlling myself to simplify my workflow and only use specific plugins if I have something in mind for a particular image. Many plugins are very useful, but some such as On1 Photo RAW are making an attempt to take on the entire RAW workflow and have yet, in my opinion, to get the bugs wringed out. I understand, but have never found plug-ins to be useful enough to bother with, partly because my work with graphics and images requires enough time-consuming attention that they offer little or no economic advantage. I don't need to save seconds or even minutes out of a process that takes hours or days to complete. -- best regards, Neil |
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Photo Editing 2017 - An Opinion
In article , Neil
wrote: You should take his disclaimer with a pinch of salt and continue reading, it is, as I said an interesting opinion. Particularly coming from an individual who has made a career of promoting post processing/photo editing software and various plugins. Well, I did start reading beyond his disclaimer, and soon realized that it was an article abut the use of plug-ins. So, he was right, the article isn't intended for folks like me who have been editing images digitally for at least a decade before the first plug-in was introduced. So, I don't use them at all. It is a bit more than that considering where some software has gone and that many of the RAW processors do much the same thing. Today digital photographers have a much wider software choice when it comes to processing and editing their digital images. The trick is simplifying the workflow so as not to create a quagmire to be bogged down with. I have been as guilty of this as the next guy, but I have been controlling myself to simplify my workflow and only use specific plugins if I have something in mind for a particular image. Many plugins are very useful, but some such as On1 Photo RAW are making an attempt to take on the entire RAW workflow and have yet, in my opinion, to get the bugs wringed out. I understand, but have never found plug-ins to be useful enough to bother with, partly because my work with graphics and images requires enough time-consuming attention that they offer little or no economic advantage. I don't need to save seconds or even minutes out of a process that takes hours or days to complete. then you're looking at the wrong sort of plug-ins. you need something to automate your workflow rather than twiddle bits. |
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Photo Editing 2017 - An Opinion
In article , Tony Cooper
wrote: You should take his disclaimer with a pinch of salt and continue reading, it is, as I said an interesting opinion. Particularly coming from an individual who has made a career of promoting post processing/photo editing software and various plugins. Well, I did start reading beyond his disclaimer, and soon realized that it was an article abut the use of plug-ins. So, he was right, the article isn't intended for folks like me who have been editing images digitally for at least a decade before the first plug-in was introduced. So, I don't use them at all. It is a bit more than that considering where some software has gone and that many of the RAW processors do much the same thing. Today digital photographers have a much wider software choice when it comes to processing and editing their digital images. The trick is simplifying the workflow so as not to create a quagmire to be bogged down with. I have been as guilty of this as the next guy, but I have been controlling myself to simplify my workflow and only use specific plugins if I have something in mind for a particular image. Many plugins are very useful, but some such as On1 Photo RAW are making an attempt to take on the entire RAW workflow and have yet, in my opinion, to get the bugs wringed out. I understand, but have never found plug-ins to be useful enough to bother with, partly because my work with graphics and images requires enough time-consuming attention that they offer little or no economic advantage. I don't need to save seconds or even minutes out of a process that takes hours or days to complete. then you're looking at the wrong sort of plug-ins. you need something to automate your workflow rather than twiddle bits. Love that comment! nospam is always telling people "you don't get to decide!", but he has no reservations about telling someone else how to do their processing and what they need. What a hypocrite. i *never* tell anyone how to do their processing, nor have i done so here. stop lying and twisting. |
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Photo Editing 2017 - An Opinion
On 1/23/2017 2:24 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Neil wrote: You should take his disclaimer with a pinch of salt and continue reading, it is, as I said an interesting opinion. Particularly coming from an individual who has made a career of promoting post processing/photo editing software and various plugins. Well, I did start reading beyond his disclaimer, and soon realized that it was an article abut the use of plug-ins. So, he was right, the article isn't intended for folks like me who have been editing images digitally for at least a decade before the first plug-in was introduced. So, I don't use them at all. It is a bit more than that considering where some software has gone and that many of the RAW processors do much the same thing. Today digital photographers have a much wider software choice when it comes to processing and editing their digital images. The trick is simplifying the workflow so as not to create a quagmire to be bogged down with. I have been as guilty of this as the next guy, but I have been controlling myself to simplify my workflow and only use specific plugins if I have something in mind for a particular image. Many plugins are very useful, but some such as On1 Photo RAW are making an attempt to take on the entire RAW workflow and have yet, in my opinion, to get the bugs wringed out. I understand, but have never found plug-ins to be useful enough to bother with, partly because my work with graphics and images requires enough time-consuming attention that they offer little or no economic advantage. I don't need to save seconds or even minutes out of a process that takes hours or days to complete. then you're looking at the wrong sort of plug-ins. you need something to automate your workflow rather than twiddle bits. When I need such a thing, I write it. -- best regards, Neil |
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Photo Editing 2017 - An Opinion
In article , Neil
wrote: Many plugins are very useful, but some such as On1 Photo RAW are making an attempt to take on the entire RAW workflow and have yet, in my opinion, to get the bugs wringed out. I understand, but have never found plug-ins to be useful enough to bother with, partly because my work with graphics and images requires enough time-consuming attention that they offer little or no economic advantage. I don't need to save seconds or even minutes out of a process that takes hours or days to complete. then you're looking at the wrong sort of plug-ins. you need something to automate your workflow rather than twiddle bits. When I need such a thing, I write it. that's more work than using existing solutions but suit yourself. |
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Photo Editing 2017 - An Opinion
On 1/23/2017 3:30 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Neil wrote: Many plugins are very useful, but some such as On1 Photo RAW are making an attempt to take on the entire RAW workflow and have yet, in my opinion, to get the bugs wringed out. I understand, but have never found plug-ins to be useful enough to bother with, partly because my work with graphics and images requires enough time-consuming attention that they offer little or no economic advantage. I don't need to save seconds or even minutes out of a process that takes hours or days to complete. then you're looking at the wrong sort of plug-ins. you need something to automate your workflow rather than twiddle bits. When I need such a thing, I write it. that's more work than using existing solutions but suit yourself. You haven't a clue as to what is required to automate my workflow. Your erroneous presumption that some generic app is going to be better at doing that than one that addresses its specific requirements is absurd. Next you'll be insisting, once again, that airplanes don't have brakes. -- best regards, Neil |
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Photo Editing 2017 - An Opinion
In article , Neil
wrote: Many plugins are very useful, but some such as On1 Photo RAW are making an attempt to take on the entire RAW workflow and have yet, in my opinion, to get the bugs wringed out. I understand, but have never found plug-ins to be useful enough to bother with, partly because my work with graphics and images requires enough time-consuming attention that they offer little or no economic advantage. I don't need to save seconds or even minutes out of a process that takes hours or days to complete. then you're looking at the wrong sort of plug-ins. you need something to automate your workflow rather than twiddle bits. When I need such a thing, I write it. that's more work than using existing solutions but suit yourself. You haven't a clue as to what is required to automate my workflow. since you haven't described your workflow, how could i? all i said was that you should investigate automation plug-ins. if you explain your workflow, then people (not just me) can give you suggestions how to improve it. or you can live in a cave doing it the hard way. your choice. Your erroneous presumption that some generic app is going to be better at doing that than one that addresses its specific requirements is absurd. i never said anything about using a generic app. you made that up. i was specifically referring to automating whatever it is you do, which you refuse to describe, likely because it's so primitive and you'd be embarrassed to say. one thing is clear, however, that you lied about not using plug-ins, given that you admitted that you write your own. |
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Photo Editing 2017 - An Opinion
On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 13:28:59 -0500, Tony Cooper
wrote: --- snip --- Yup! Having an eye for the photo opportunity is key. There are members of my camera clubs that I call "cat and squirrel photographers". They take excellent shots of certain subjects, but they don't have the imagination to see a photograph in something off-beat or not normally subject matter. Actually, "cat and flower photographers" describes them better. So many photographers go for the trite and ordinary instead of looking for what could be interesting. There is also a standard seascape which seems to be very popular at the moment. Rocks in the foreground, an island or a rock on the horizon, sunrise/sunset, fizzed up sky and long exposure to blur the sea. The first fifty or so of these can look quite good. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Photo Editing 2017 - An Opinion
On 1/23/2017 4:11 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Neil wrote: Many plugins are very useful, but some such as On1 Photo RAW are making an attempt to take on the entire RAW workflow and have yet, in my opinion, to get the bugs wringed out. I understand, but have never found plug-ins to be useful enough to bother with, partly because my work with graphics and images requires enough time-consuming attention that they offer little or no economic advantage. I don't need to save seconds or even minutes out of a process that takes hours or days to complete. then you're looking at the wrong sort of plug-ins. you need something to automate your workflow rather than twiddle bits. When I need such a thing, I write it. that's more work than using existing solutions but suit yourself. You haven't a clue as to what is required to automate my workflow. since you haven't described your workflow, how could i? One excellent reason why you should have kept quiet. all i said was that you should investigate automation plug-ins. And, the effort spent doing that would not be more than what is needed to write my own apps? How do you know that? if you explain your workflow, then people (not just me) can give you suggestions how to improve it. When and if I need such help, I know where to get it. I guarantee that it won't be from the likes of you. or you can live in a cave doing it the hard way. your choice. With your admitted lack of knowledge about what is required, how did you arrive at the conclusion that I'm doing it "the hard way"? Your erroneous presumption that some generic app is going to be better at doing that than one that addresses its specific requirements is absurd. i never said anything about using a generic app. you made that up. Any app that would be generally available is generic, by definition. i was specifically referring to automating whatever it is you do, which you refuse to describe, likely because it's so primitive and you'd be embarrassed to say. You just can't resist making such ignorant comments, can you? one thing is clear, however, that you lied about not using plug-ins, given that you admitted that you write your own. I don't write plug-ins, nor did I say so. I answered your comment suggesting "...something to automate your workflow...", which would not be a plug-in. I do write apps, and it's solely your problem that you don't know the difference. -- best regards, Neil |
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