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Old December 18th 04, 08:00 PM
C J Campbell
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"Marvin Margoshes" wrote in message
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TSA's Web site has a list of items you can't carry on. Some people doing
the checking seem to make up their own rules. Feel free to complain.



The list contains disclaimers which allow local examiners to make up their
own rules. If, in the sole opinion of the checker, you are carrying
something that could be used as a weapon, then they can confiscate it, fine
you, or even have you arrested. If you complain, that is a bad attitude,
which automatically doubles your fine and tacks time on your sentence. Read
the guidelines for civil actions. It actually says that.


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Old December 18th 04, 08:05 PM
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Dave Fouchey" wrote in message
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I drive, saves an awful lot of trouble and I get to carry anything I
want...


Bah! Clogging up the roads with yet another automobile, endangering
everybody around you while you in turn are at the mercy of every drunk
driver and vehicle operator who just had a fight with his wife, dodging 18
wheelers on icy roads -- next thing you know you've run into a school bus
full of children, one of whom would have grown up to discover a cure for
cancer, but now he's dead and IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT! Beast. :-)

(I dunno, was that over the top, or what?)

Seriously, I find flying to be very convenient, fast and comfortable. If I
want to visit the grandchildren I can be there in 3 1/2 hours, instead of
11
hours of driving over two major mountain passes in winter. And I get some
great photos out of the trip, too. Sigh Even so I still have trouble
finding time to get away.



Your attitude is exactly right, except you need to tighten up the foil just
a bit. You are getting a bit of leakage.


  #23  
Old December 18th 04, 08:21 PM
Lisa Horton
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C J Campbell wrote:

"drwxr-xr-x" wrote in message
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The Dept Of Homeland Hysteria has been a god-send for the airport
thieves. Now they have multi-million dollar machines with which
to pin-point luggage that contains gold jewelry, expensive cameras,
und so weiter. No more randomly breaking into bags, in the hope
of hitting the jackpot. These thieves are only required to go
through security and metal detectors _on the way in to work_ , not
on the way out -- with their pockets jingling with stolen articles.

So sayeth the voice of several wretched experiences...


You would be shocked at how many people at TSA have criminal records.


Not to mention the airport ground crews, few of which have had complete
background checks, and many of whom have easy access to the passenger
compartments of airplanes. We're not supposed to think about this, just
like the movies suspension of disbelief is essential to enjoying (or
not) the show.

Lisa
  #24  
Old December 18th 04, 08:21 PM
Lisa Horton
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C J Campbell wrote:

"drwxr-xr-x" wrote in message
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The Dept Of Homeland Hysteria has been a god-send for the airport
thieves. Now they have multi-million dollar machines with which
to pin-point luggage that contains gold jewelry, expensive cameras,
und so weiter. No more randomly breaking into bags, in the hope
of hitting the jackpot. These thieves are only required to go
through security and metal detectors _on the way in to work_ , not
on the way out -- with their pockets jingling with stolen articles.

So sayeth the voice of several wretched experiences...


You would be shocked at how many people at TSA have criminal records.


Not to mention the airport ground crews, few of which have had complete
background checks, and many of whom have easy access to the passenger
compartments of airplanes. We're not supposed to think about this, just
like the movies suspension of disbelief is essential to enjoying (or
not) the show.

Lisa
  #25  
Old December 18th 04, 08:35 PM
reluctant flier
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:54:40 -0800, "C J Campbell"
wrote:


"Dave Fouchey" wrote in message
.. .
I drive, saves an awful lot of trouble and I get to carry anything I
want...


Bah! Clogging up the roads with yet another automobile, endangering
everybody around you while you in turn are at the mercy of every drunk
driver and vehicle operator who just had a fight with his wife, dodging 18
wheelers on icy roads -- next thing you know you've run into a school bus
full of children, one of whom would have grown up to discover a cure for
cancer, but now he's dead and IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT! Beast. :-)

(I dunno, was that over the top, or what?)


Mebbe, but this is America. A clever lawyer will see your logic
coming a mile away and will point out that the TSA drove him get on
the highway. So it really is the TSAs fault.


Seriously, I find flying to be very convenient, fast and comfortable. If I
want to visit the grandchildren I can be there in 3 1/2 hours, instead of 11
hours of driving over two major mountain passes in winter. And I get some
great photos out of the trip, too. Sigh Even so I still have trouble
finding time to get away.


Yeah, flying is fast and convenient. And for some, their livihood
depends on it. But those silly & inconsistent rules, the humiliating
body searches, theft from luggage by the people "protecting" us and
the Gestapo like attitude from the TSA encourage people to drive and
seek other ways to get from here to there. And even more damaging,
undermining confidence in our government. This is one way for the
terrorists to win. They won't have to take us over. We will turn
ourselves into them.

The Afgan Taliban is/was Muslim, the American Taliban will be
Christian.
  #26  
Old December 18th 04, 08:35 PM
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:54:40 -0800, "C J Campbell"
wrote:


"Dave Fouchey" wrote in message
.. .
I drive, saves an awful lot of trouble and I get to carry anything I
want...


Bah! Clogging up the roads with yet another automobile, endangering
everybody around you while you in turn are at the mercy of every drunk
driver and vehicle operator who just had a fight with his wife, dodging 18
wheelers on icy roads -- next thing you know you've run into a school bus
full of children, one of whom would have grown up to discover a cure for
cancer, but now he's dead and IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT! Beast. :-)

(I dunno, was that over the top, or what?)


Mebbe, but this is America. A clever lawyer will see your logic
coming a mile away and will point out that the TSA drove him get on
the highway. So it really is the TSAs fault.


Seriously, I find flying to be very convenient, fast and comfortable. If I
want to visit the grandchildren I can be there in 3 1/2 hours, instead of 11
hours of driving over two major mountain passes in winter. And I get some
great photos out of the trip, too. Sigh Even so I still have trouble
finding time to get away.


Yeah, flying is fast and convenient. And for some, their livihood
depends on it. But those silly & inconsistent rules, the humiliating
body searches, theft from luggage by the people "protecting" us and
the Gestapo like attitude from the TSA encourage people to drive and
seek other ways to get from here to there. And even more damaging,
undermining confidence in our government. This is one way for the
terrorists to win. They won't have to take us over. We will turn
ourselves into them.

The Afgan Taliban is/was Muslim, the American Taliban will be
Christian.
  #27  
Old December 18th 04, 08:37 PM
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:56:33 -0800, "C J Campbell"
wrote:


"drwxr-xr-x" wrote in message
...

The Dept Of Homeland Hysteria has been a god-send for the airport
thieves. Now they have multi-million dollar machines with which
to pin-point luggage that contains gold jewelry, expensive cameras,
und so weiter. No more randomly breaking into bags, in the hope
of hitting the jackpot. These thieves are only required to go
through security and metal detectors _on the way in to work_ , not
on the way out -- with their pockets jingling with stolen articles.

So sayeth the voice of several wretched experiences...


You would be shocked at how many people at TSA have criminal records.


Not really. But I would be amused to read any reports or anecdotes
about it.

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Old December 18th 04, 09:01 PM
Rita Ä Berkowitz
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Lisa Horton wrote:

You would be shocked at how many people at TSA have criminal records.


Not to mention the airport ground crews, few of which have had
complete background checks, and many of whom have easy access to the
passenger compartments of airplanes. We're not supposed to think
about this, just like the movies suspension of disbelief is essential
to enjoying (or not) the show.


I'm not shocked at all with the number of people that have a "record" in
some form or another. It's what is inside the record that should be taken
into consideration when hiring these people. I don't believe a record
should be instant disqualification for these positions. Probably three
quarters of society have one and you wouldn't even know it. Maybe your
next-door neighbor or your best friend has one? This surely doesn't mean
that they aren't great upstanding members of society and aren't trustworthy.
Just because someone made a mistake, paid their dues, and doing their best
to be a good contributing member of society doesn't give people cart blanc
to look down their noses at them.

Personally, I find it easier and more satisfying to deal with people that
are honest with themselves and have no need to put on a false facade. Scott
Peterson didn't have a record and look what he turned out to be. I wouldn't
want the likes of him rummaging thru my luggage.



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  #29  
Old December 18th 04, 09:18 PM
Lisa Horton
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"Rita Ä Berkowitz" wrote:

Lisa Horton wrote:

You would be shocked at how many people at TSA have criminal records.


Not to mention the airport ground crews, few of which have had
complete background checks, and many of whom have easy access to the
passenger compartments of airplanes. We're not supposed to think
about this, just like the movies suspension of disbelief is essential
to enjoying (or not) the show.


I'm not shocked at all with the number of people that have a "record" in
some form or another. It's what is inside the record that should be taken
into consideration when hiring these people. I don't believe a record
should be instant disqualification for these positions. Probably three
quarters of society have one and you wouldn't even know it. Maybe your
next-door neighbor or your best friend has one? This surely doesn't mean
that they aren't great upstanding members of society and aren't trustworthy.
Just because someone made a mistake, paid their dues, and doing their best
to be a good contributing member of society doesn't give people cart blanc
to look down their noses at them.

Personally, I find it easier and more satisfying to deal with people that
are honest with themselves and have no need to put on a false facade. Scott
Peterson didn't have a record and look what he turned out to be. I wouldn't
want the likes of him rummaging thru my luggage.


Note that I wasn't the author of the "You would be shocked..." line
above, only the lines following that one.

You make a good point though. It depends on what's in the record. A
person busted for pot in their youth is quite a different story than
someone with multiple theft convictions. Alas, both are allowed to work
in airport ground crews at this time.

Lisa
  #30  
Old December 18th 04, 09:18 PM
Lisa Horton
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"Rita Ä Berkowitz" wrote:

Lisa Horton wrote:

You would be shocked at how many people at TSA have criminal records.


Not to mention the airport ground crews, few of which have had
complete background checks, and many of whom have easy access to the
passenger compartments of airplanes. We're not supposed to think
about this, just like the movies suspension of disbelief is essential
to enjoying (or not) the show.


I'm not shocked at all with the number of people that have a "record" in
some form or another. It's what is inside the record that should be taken
into consideration when hiring these people. I don't believe a record
should be instant disqualification for these positions. Probably three
quarters of society have one and you wouldn't even know it. Maybe your
next-door neighbor or your best friend has one? This surely doesn't mean
that they aren't great upstanding members of society and aren't trustworthy.
Just because someone made a mistake, paid their dues, and doing their best
to be a good contributing member of society doesn't give people cart blanc
to look down their noses at them.

Personally, I find it easier and more satisfying to deal with people that
are honest with themselves and have no need to put on a false facade. Scott
Peterson didn't have a record and look what he turned out to be. I wouldn't
want the likes of him rummaging thru my luggage.


Note that I wasn't the author of the "You would be shocked..." line
above, only the lines following that one.

You make a good point though. It depends on what's in the record. A
person busted for pot in their youth is quite a different story than
someone with multiple theft convictions. Alas, both are allowed to work
in airport ground crews at this time.

Lisa
 




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