Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On 9/9/2017 11:37 PM, ATANARJUAT wrote:
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 18:37:51 -0400, PeterN wrote
in response to PeterN

Pay a good lawyer, who specializes in copyright issues. While in general
you may sometimes get common sense answers, there is more to legality
than good faith.

That's the dumbest answer anyone gave here yet.

Here's a similar platitude for you.

If someone asks how to tie their shoelaces, tell them that it can only be
done at the dealer by a professional trained in tying shoelaces.


Good to know you are an expert.

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On Sun, 10 Sep 2017 16:51:12 -0400, PeterN wrote
in response to PeterN

Good to know you are an expert.

A platitude means you told him/her nothing everyone already didn't know.

The guy/gal is using a very common well known free font for God's sake.

It's clear to everyone reasonable but you that all he/she needs to do is
state the copyright when distributing the font with the document.

On 2017-09-10 08:50:00 +0000, Tim Streater said:
In article , Your Name
wrote:
On 2017-09-10 05:12:10 +0000, Tony Cooper said:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2017 16:48:46 +1200, Your Name
wrote:
On 2017-09-10 03:37:31 +0000, ATANARJUAT said:
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 18:37:51 -0400, PeterN wrote
in response to PeterN

Pay a good lawyer, who specializes in copyright issues. While in general
you may sometimes get common sense answers, there is more to legality
than good faith.

That's the dumbest answer anyone gave here yet.

Here's a similar platitude for you.

If someone asks how to tie their shoelaces, tell them that it can only be
done at the dealer by a professional trained in tying shoelaces.

Or by many five year olds. ;-)

The five year-olds are too busy explaining how to take photos on their
phone to older people.

Not any more. Some busy-bodies stuck their noses in and now you have to
limit the amount of "screen time" kids have .. which pretty much
destroys the ideas of other busy-bodies who are trying to get "computer
coding" as a necessity in kindergartens and junior schools.

You don't learn "computer coding" by farting about on a phone.

I never said you did. I said that pushing for less "scrren time" is
contrary to the push for kids to learn coding ... although you can do
some of the planning for coding "offline".

Having said that, apps like Swift Playground are design exactly to
allow kids to learn coding by "farting about on a phone".

On 2017-09-10 13:34:13 +0000, Chaya Eve said:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2017 11:45:33 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

It's a pain and it's ridiculous but there is no other viable option.

What's dictating that this should use powerpoint?

That's a good question, where if you have a better answer, I'm all ears.

You're right that it could just as well be Microsoft Word since what's
dictating the software is that there should be zero learning curve and it
should already be on everyone's system, both Mac & Windows.

Microsoft Office isn't guaranteed to be on everybody's computer.
Although it is bundled with many (but not all) Windows PCs, it's
certianly not a defult on Macs.



But what other slide oriented software do you know of that everyone already
has on their computer and that they are comfortable using that is
compatible on Mac & Windows?

There's nothing that is guranteed to be on every computer.

In article , Your Name
wrote:

It's a pain and it's ridiculous but there is no other viable option.

What's dictating that this should use powerpoint?

That's a good question, where if you have a better answer, I'm all ears.

You're right that it could just as well be Microsoft Word since what's
dictating the software is that there should be zero learning curve and it
should already be on everyone's system, both Mac & Windows.

Microsoft Office isn't guaranteed to be on everybody's computer.
Although it is bundled with many (but not all) Windows PCs, it's
certianly not a defult on Macs.

all macs can read microsoft office documents by default, and *without*
any additional third party software needed. it's part of mac os.

But what other slide oriented software do you know of that everyone already
has on their computer and that they are comfortable using that is
compatible on Mac & Windows?

There's nothing that is guranteed to be on every computer.

pdf.

On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 09:40:18 +1200, Your Name
wrote:


Microsoft Office isn't guaranteed to be on everybody's computer.
Although it is bundled with many (but not all) Windows PCs,


Actually it isn't. It used to be common, but it no longer is.

These days many Windows PCs come with a trial version of Microsoft
Office, but I wouldn't call that "bundling."

On 09/09/2017 21:34, nospam wrote:
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We also know who you are.

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In article , David B.
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We also know who you are.

https://www.mylife.com/...

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"Your Name" wrote

| There's nothing that is guranteed to be on every computer.
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HTML. And fonts can be embedded, base 64 encoded.
There may be a size limit. I'm not sure about that.

MS Office is certainly not guaranteed. Many people have
MS Word, but typically it's only students and people who
work in offices. Fewer have Powerpoint.

I assumed it had to be Powerpoint. Why else would
anyone use such a limited format with such limited
support? But that's typical of people who use MS Office:
They're usually people who think their computer *is*
MS Office, so they assume *everyone* uses MS Office,
so even if they just need to save a phone number in
a text file they fire up MS Word and save it as a 100
KB DOC file.

In article ,
Chaya Eve wrote:

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017 10:53:02 -0400, Alan Browne
wrote:

Isn't there some included PowerPoint font that is usable and not
encumbered with copyright issues?

We want to teach these kids how to do the job right.

It's a good question because there are two kinds of people.
* Those who don't (and almost always can't) do a good job.
* Those who do the job right (which takes intelligence).
It takes attention to detail to do the job right.

It's a good question because there are two kinds of results.
* Results that are only useful for a single use.
* Results that are useful for all similar uses.
It takes intelligent thinking to optimize the results.

WHY does a sign-specific font exist?
* They are tested for readability under horrid lighting situations.
* The spacing & character sizes are optimized for short lines.
* The character selection (e.g., arrows) meets NHTSA standards.

However, as you noted, no sign font is perfect.

If you think choosing a font for signs is easy, then read this article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/ma...12fonts-t.html

In summary, any idiot can easily do a crappy job.
It takes intelligence and attention to detail to do the job right.

We want to teach these kids how to do the job right.

I downloaded the font in question. If you want to teach the kids how to
'do the job right' this font is really not a good choice. The quality of
the outlines is horrible. Plus Mac OS already includes a well-designed
font specifically designed for signs (DIN), so why not just use that
instead?

Andre

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