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Sony A7RII versus Nikon D810. What's wrong with this?



 
 
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  #11  
Old September 27th 15, 09:52 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Sandman
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Default Sony A7RII versus Nikon D810. What's wrong with this?

In article , Me wrote:

RichA:
Looking at the two of them, using them. Anyone
wonder why the Sony costs as much as the Nikon? Because it
sure doesn't seem like it should. The Nikon just screams
quality, from the body to the button and switch quality.
The Sony seems like an increased size version of their APS
bodies. I'm probably wrong, I don't know what the relative
costs are, but it's just what it seems like.

Sandman:
The Sony has more of a quality feel to it, with its
metal body instead of the plastic in the Nikon. The Nikon, of
course, is more comfortable to hold and use, and more logical
controls. To each his own -- Sandman

Rich A:
Which part of the D810 is plastic?


Sandman:
The body. You know, the part made of plastic. It's pretty hard to
miss.


It's metal. It comes out of the foundry with sharp corners and looks
just like a Sony, then fettlers get to work with files and
sandpaper and work for hours just to make them look like plastic.


Most of the surface material is plastic:

http://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Nikon_D800_Mg_body.jpg

--
Sandman
  #12  
Old September 27th 15, 03:51 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Sony A7RII versus Nikon D810. What's wrong with this?

On 2015-09-27 08:08:00 +0000, RichA said:

On Sunday, 27 September 2015 02:16:21 UTC-4, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-09-27 05:23:31 +0000, android said:
In article 2015092407134276377-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-09-24 07:19:34 +0000, Rich A said:



Which part of the D810 is plastic?

The little red thing.

Put some ducktape over it to preserve some of the initial value of your
investment!


The 'Duck uses "duct tape", or "gaffer tape".


http://www.duckbrand.com/products/du...FZWJaQodiZIDvQ


So, we have some manufacturer exploit a bunch of folks who have
misheard "duck" for "duct" and run with it. Good luck to them, few
businesses and no politicians have failed because of exploiting a
public misconception. Error becomes reality.

Check with 3M and see just how much "duck tape" the originators produce.
http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Adhesives/Tapes/Products/~/3M-Heavy-Duty-Duct-Tape-3939?N=5472497+3293241051&rt=rud

....and

3M also makes gaffers tape, which is a little different to duct tape.
Neither of them have feathers, webbed feet, and a bill.
http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Adhesives/Tapes/Products/~/3M-Cloth-Gaffers-Tape-6910-Black-1-in-x-60-yd-12-0-mil-36-rolls-per-case-Bulk?N=5472497+4294865514&rt=rud


--


Regards,

Savageduck

  #13  
Old September 27th 15, 04:49 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Sony A7RII versus Nikon D810. What's wrong with this?

In article ,
Tony Cooper wrote:

On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 23:16:11 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2015-09-27 05:23:31 +0000, android said:

In article 2015092407134276377-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-09-24 07:19:34 +0000, Rich A said:



Which part of the D810 is plastic?

The little red thing.

Put some ducktape over it to preserve some of the initial value of your
investment!


The 'Duck uses "duct tape", or "gaffer tape".


The two are quite different. Ducktape, or duct tape, leaves a sticky
residue when removed. Gaffer tape does not. Ducktape, or duct tape,
provides a more secure adhesion.


I use "electrical" tape for the said purpose. The adhesive do have a
tendency to liquify a tad over time though.
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  #14  
Old September 27th 15, 05:03 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Savageduck[_3_]
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Default Sony A7RII versus Nikon D810. What's wrong with this?

On 2015-09-27 15:40:50 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 23:16:11 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2015-09-27 05:23:31 +0000, android said:

In article 2015092407134276377-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-09-24 07:19:34 +0000, Rich A said:



Which part of the D810 is plastic?

The little red thing.

Put some ducktape over it to preserve some of the initial value of your
investment!


The 'Duck uses "duct tape", or "gaffer tape".


The two are quite different. Ducktape, or duct tape, leaves a sticky
residue when removed. Gaffer tape does not. Ducktape, or duct tape,
provides a more secure adhesion.


When used as intended, to seal joints in ventilation ducting, duct tape
is not removed too often. Gaffer tape is, as you said, a temporary fix.

Don't forget there are military grade tapes, which are true general
purpose. However, OD might not be too attractive on a cmera body.
http://catalog.berryplastics.com/products/adhesiv/duct-tape/adhesiv54231

Then there are the tapes for wind protection. Those are a tad stickier.
http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Wind/Energy/Products/Wind_Protection_Tapes/
--


Regards,

Savageduck

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Old September 27th 15, 05:09 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Savageduck[_3_]
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Default Sony A7RII versus Nikon D810. What's wrong with this?

On 2015-09-27 15:49:05 +0000, android said:

In article ,
Tony Cooper wrote:

On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 23:16:11 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2015-09-27 05:23:31 +0000, android said:

In article 2015092407134276377-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-09-24 07:19:34 +0000, Rich A said:


Which part of the D810 is plastic?

The little red thing.

Put some ducktape over it to preserve some of the initial value of your
investment!

The 'Duck uses "duct tape", or "gaffer tape".


The two are quite different. Ducktape, or duct tape, leaves a sticky
residue when removed. Gaffer tape does not. Ducktape, or duct tape,
provides a more secure adhesion.


I use "electrical" tape for the said purpose. The adhesive do have a
tendency to liquify a tad over time though.


What type of tape do you use for securing your victims to a chair in
the basement?

....or what tape do you use to keep your models from moving? (that keeps
this OT for photography)


--
Regards,

Savageduck

  #16  
Old September 27th 15, 05:32 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
android
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Default Sony A7RII versus Nikon D810. What's wrong with this?

In article 2015092709094476742-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:

On 2015-09-27 15:49:05 +0000, android said:

In article ,
Tony Cooper wrote:

On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 23:16:11 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2015-09-27 05:23:31 +0000, android said:

In article 2015092407134276377-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-09-24 07:19:34 +0000, Rich A said:


Which part of the D810 is plastic?

The little red thing.

Put some ducktape over it to preserve some of the initial value of your
investment!

The 'Duck uses "duct tape", or "gaffer tape".

The two are quite different. Ducktape, or duct tape, leaves a sticky
residue when removed. Gaffer tape does not. Ducktape, or duct tape,
provides a more secure adhesion.


I use "electrical" tape for the said purpose. The adhesive do have a
tendency to liquify a tad over time though.


What type of tape do you use for securing your victims to a chair in
the basement?

...or what tape do you use to keep your models from moving? (that keeps
this OT for photography)


The said purpose was masking unwanted insignia and logos on your gear,
right. Some folks, for instance thinks that the red bird of Nikon
distracts the humans among their subjects, just like the red dot of
Leica... Others think that that kind attention is good for their
photography... There are those that have little plastic ducks as props,
for the same reason... YMMV ;-)

I have a chickenwire seclusion in my basement and thus no problem with
escaping victims and such!
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  #17  
Old September 27th 15, 08:13 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Sony A7RII versus Nikon D810. What's wrong with this?

On 09/27/2015 12:06 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
snip


Whoa, there. Check out the facts. Revolite, then a division of
Johnson & Johnson, developed an adhesive tape with a duck cloth
backing to seal ammunition cases during WWII. People later found that
it could be used to seal openings in ductwork and called it "duct
tape". But, the original name was "duck tape".

The term "duct tape" is used more because there is more application
today in sealing ductwork than in sealing ammunition boxes.

"Duck cloth" and "duck canvas" goes way, way back. The term was used
to describe a woven fabric and comes from the Dutch word "doek"
meaning "linen canvas".

Today, the product is sold as either "duck tape" or "duct tape"
depending on the seller's decision of what to call it. Neither is an
error.


And unfortunately, Duck brand cloth tape and the generic cloth/canvas
tape are now a poor choice for sealing ductwork, especially heating
ducts. A better choice is a foil tape, designed for ductwork.

--
Ken Hart

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Old September 27th 15, 08:16 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Ken Hart[_4_]
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Default Sony A7RII versus Nikon D810. What's wrong with this?

On 09/27/2015 12:09 PM, Savageduck wrote:
snip

What type of tape do you use for securing your victims to a chair in the
basement?

...or what tape do you use to keep your models from moving? (that keeps
this OT for photography)


Strapping tape sold for packaging works well for that. It has nylon(?)
threads running the length of the tape, and is very difficult to tear
across the threads.
Although cable ties work well too.

--
Ken Hart

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Old September 27th 15, 10:40 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Sony A7RII versus Nikon D810. What's wrong with this?

On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 07:51:52 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2015-09-27 08:08:00 +0000, RichA said:

On Sunday, 27 September 2015 02:16:21 UTC-4, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-09-27 05:23:31 +0000, android said:
In article 2015092407134276377-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-09-24 07:19:34 +0000, Rich A said:


Which part of the D810 is plastic?

The little red thing.

Put some ducktape over it to preserve some of the initial value of your
investment!

The 'Duck uses "duct tape", or "gaffer tape".


http://www.duckbrand.com/products/du...FZWJaQodiZIDvQ


So, we have some manufacturer exploit a bunch of folks who have
misheard "duck" for "duct" and run with it. Good luck to them, few
businesses and no politicians have failed because of exploiting a
public misconception. Error becomes reality.

Check with 3M and see just how much "duck tape" the originators produce.
http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Adhesives/Tapes/Products/~/3M-Heavy-Duty-Duct-Tape-3939?N=5472497+3293241051&rt=rud

...and

3M also makes gaffers tape, which is a little different to duct tape.
Neither of them have feathers, webbed feet, and a bill.
http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Adhesives/Tapes/Products/~/3M-Cloth-Gaffers-Tape-6910-Black-1-in-x-60-yd-12-0-mil-36-rolls-per-case-Bulk?N=5472497+4294865514&rt=rud



Umm .... 'Duck tape' is the original name because it was made from
canvas-duck fabric. ('Duck' fabric can be either cotton or canvas.)

According to Wikipedia the first duck-tape was made by Revolite, a
division of Johnson & Johnson.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panning_%28camera%29
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Regards,

Eric Stevens
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Old September 27th 15, 11:21 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Sony A7RII versus Nikon D810. What's wrong with this?

On 9/27/2015 12:09 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-09-27 15:49:05 +0000, android said:

In article ,
Tony Cooper wrote:

On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 23:16:11 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2015-09-27 05:23:31 +0000, android said:

In article 2015092407134276377-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-09-24 07:19:34 +0000, Rich A said:


Which part of the D810 is plastic?

The little red thing.

Put some ducktape over it to preserve some of the initial value of
your
investment!

The 'Duck uses "duct tape", or "gaffer tape".

The two are quite different. Ducktape, or duct tape, leaves a sticky
residue when removed. Gaffer tape does not. Ducktape, or duct tape,
provides a more secure adhesion.


I use "electrical" tape for the said purpose. The adhesive do have a
tendency to liquify a tad over time though.


What type of tape do you use for securing your victims to a chair in the
basement?

...or what tape do you use to keep your models from moving? (that keeps
this OT for photography)


Duct tape can be used to prevent overexposed photographs. Cover your
lens with it.

--
PeterN
 




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