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On 2008-12-24, John Navas wrote:
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 04:31:10 GMT, TheRealSteve wrote
in :

Once again, I'm not P&S bashing because I own several.

That means nothing. You are bashing, pure and simple, and with claims
so bogus I'm not even going to dignify them with a response.


You're going to have to start coming up with some real answers to the
hard questions, John. Otherwise people might start thinking you're an
idiot ^W^W being disingenuous.

--
savvo orig. invib. man

TheRealSteve wrote:
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Oh, and check out the URL and caption of this Web page:
http://www.nextag.co.uk/canon-d40/zzukzB1z41--shop-html

Cheers,
David

Yes, they do that on purpose so when people mistakenly google "canon
d40", their web page shows up. Just as an exercise, take your URL
above and change the d40 to 40d and I'll bet you go to the same place.

Steve

No, you go to a different page....

David

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:20:53 -0800, John Navas
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 04:31:10 GMT, TheRealSteve wrote
in :

Once again, I'm not P&S bashing because I own several.

That means nothing. You are bashing, pure and simple, and with claims
so bogus I'm not even going to dignify them with a response.

Well, from my post that you snipped, here's all the claims I made:

1. After a few years, a new high end P&S camera is worth much less (as
a percentage of it's original cost of course) than a new high end DSLR
lens.

2. The D90/18-200VR combo is much more capable than a DMC-FZ8 over a
wider range of "difficult" photographic situations. By difficult, I
mean anything like low light, capturing fast action like sports, etc.
Not just taking a family snapshot on a sunny day, of which either can
excel.

3. The DMC-FZ8 is a bridge camera that loses the main advantage of a
true P&S, carry everywhere in a pocket portability.

4. The DMC-FZ8 has a tiny 1/2.5" sensor and all that entails, so it
does not match the image quality or creative ability of an APS-C or FF
DSLR. By creative ability, I mean things like blurring areas you
don't want to emphasize or the ability to use various specialty lenses
like superwides, fisheyes, tilt/shift, super telephotos, etc. That
doesn't mean you can't be creative with a P&S or take some nice
pictures. It just means your creativity is limited more than with a
DSLR.

5. My cheap 50mm f/1.8 AF Nikkor stopped down 1 or 2 stops gets me
edge to edge photo quality (especially with an APS-C vs. FF sensor)
that will totally blow away *any* P&S by a very wide margin. By edge
to edge photo quality I mean things like sharpness, lack of
distortion, better control of CA, etc., on an APS-C sized sensor.

6. Put a 50mm f/1.8 on a D90 and for $1000 you can take superb quality
portraits suitable for blowing up to 20x30 and look great all over.
Ok, the actual cost may be more like $1100. You got me there.

7. The vast majority of my shooting is at wider angles vs. telephoto.

8. I might like that 12x zoom of the DMC-FZ8 better if it covered a
zoom range more like the 18-200 (27-300 35mm equiv) than only going
down to 36 and all the way out to 432, which I'd almost never use. Ok,
this one and the one before is not really a *claim* more that it is my
own personal preference for the extreme wide end rather than the
extreme telephoto end.

9. Both P&S and DSLRs have their place and advantages/disadvantages.
But image quality under less than ideal conditions goes to the DSLR.

I think that's all the claims I made that you snipped from my post you
responded to. Which ones are totally bogus?

Steve

On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:28:56 GMT, "David J Taylor"
wrote:

TheRealSteve wrote:
[]
Oh, and check out the URL and caption of this Web page:
http://www.nextag.co.uk/canon-d40/zzukzB1z41--shop-html

Cheers,
David

Yes, they do that on purpose so when people mistakenly google "canon
d40", their web page shows up. Just as an exercise, take your URL
above and change the d40 to 40d and I'll bet you go to the same place.

Steve

No, you go to a different page....

Well hell, I go to a different page now than I did yesterday with the
link above. Yesterday, that link above took me to a page that was
full of Canon 40D's. Today it doesn't. I guess it just depends on
timing and when they update their pages.

Steve

TheRealSteve wrote:
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:28:56 GMT, "David J Taylor"
wrote:

TheRealSteve wrote:
[]
Oh, and check out the URL and caption of this Web page:
http://www.nextag.co.uk/canon-d40/zzukzB1z41--shop-html

Cheers,
David

Yes, they do that on purpose so when people mistakenly google "canon
d40", their web page shows up. Just as an exercise, take your URL
above and change the d40 to 40d and I'll bet you go to the same
place.

Steve

No, you go to a different page....

Well hell, I go to a different page now than I did yesterday with the
link above. Yesterday, that link above took me to a page that was
full of Canon 40D's. Today it doesn't. I guess it just depends on
timing and when they update their pages.

Steve

Yes, Steve, I though you had probably checked before making the the
suggestion, so it's a pity I didn't put some money on it! G

Cheers,
David

On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:19:24 GMT, "David J Taylor"
wrote in
:

At least I haven't mistaken a Canon D40 for a Nikon D40. Probably.

40D

--
Best regards,
John
Panasonic DMC-FZ8, DMC-FZ20, and several others

On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:00:54 GMT, "David J Taylor"
wrote:

TheRealSteve wrote:
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:28:56 GMT, "David J Taylor"
wrote:

TheRealSteve wrote:
[]
Oh, and check out the URL and caption of this Web page:
http://www.nextag.co.uk/canon-d40/zzukzB1z41--shop-html

Cheers,
David

Yes, they do that on purpose so when people mistakenly google "canon
d40", their web page shows up. Just as an exercise, take your URL
above and change the d40 to 40d and I'll bet you go to the same
place.

Steve

No, you go to a different page....

Well hell, I go to a different page now than I did yesterday with the
link above. Yesterday, that link above took me to a page that was
full of Canon 40D's. Today it doesn't. I guess it just depends on
timing and when they update their pages.

Steve

Yes, Steve, I though you had probably checked before making the the
suggestion, so it's a pity I didn't put some money on it! G

No, I didn't check where I'd go if I changed the D40 to a 40D. But
yesterday your link went to a page full of Canon 40D cameras. Today
it doesn't. Today, changing it to a 40D goes to a page full of 40D
cameras, just like the D40 link did yesterday. I'm guessing that
yesterday, the 40D link probably also went to a page full of 40D
cameras, since it still does.

Steve

Trey Kanter wrote in
news
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:51:27 +1100, dj_nme
wrote:

David J Taylor wrote:
measekite wrote:
How much better and where is the Canon XSi over the Panasonic G1
micro 4/3 system?

They are simply "different". For example, what lenses are you
proposing to use with the G1? The XSi is a single fixed package.

What do you mean by "single fixed package"?
The Canon XSi (AKA: Canon EOS 450D) is a DSLR camera with
interchangeable lenses.
How is that a "fixed package"?

The G1 you can
expand with different lenses both now and perhaps even more lens
choice in the future. Is high ISO ( and therefore sensor size)
important to you?

As can be done with the Canon XSi, in fact their are far more EOS
lenses that will fit the EOS 450D than are currently available for
Micro FourThirds.

I would expect that if you were to define a particular photographic
situation, you could produce a list of pros and cons for each camera
type. /You/ would then need to weigh the total balance - no-one else
can do that for you.

Cheers,
David

Or, if you have EOS lenses already then there is little reason to even
consider the Panasonic DMC-G1.
If starting from a "clean slate", then either camera seems like it
would be fine for most situations and then _you_ will have to make a
decision for yourself.

The greatest drawback to falling into the dSLR trap. After you've
started to invest in glass, which can easily run into many many
thou$ands, you are forever limited by your initial investment and
inexperienced earlier choices. Always trying to justify past purchases
and attempting to make them still useful, instead of moving onto
something newer or better.

I'd still be fumbling with all the huge drawbacks of 35mm film if I
wanted to go that route. There comes a time where you just have to let
it all go, to become nothing but memorabilia on a shelf.

There's a wonderful and wise saying about "throwing good money after
bad".

When buying a P&S camera I get a state of the art camera along with
state of the art glass with every new purchase.

State of the art "noise" and next to ZERO DR, you loser.