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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:04:04 -0500, rafe bustin
wrote: On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:06:35 +0100, ".::SuperBLUE::." wrote: Any old 13 x 18 and a pair of scissors would be a lot cheaper and offer more possibilities. I am new to photography, so I would like to ask some dumb questions: 1. Color films for large format and where are they developed? 2. Would large format confine me to black & white manualy developed photos? 3. Is it better to buy large format camera or 6x17 considering the available lenses (I like the telephoto)? Unless I'm mistaken, Fuji and Kodak are the lost folks left making color films in 4x5 size D'oh. Meant "last folks", of course. rafe |
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"rafe bustin" wrote: "David J. wrote: If you are going to scan, then you can just shoot three images on 6x7 and merge. I like lower aspect ratios, so two images with a wide angle lens does it for me. http://www.pbase.com/davidjl/image/33533884/large I see you're getting some mileage out of that picture, David. Yes. I should get off my duff and do some more panos. It's a nice mood and composition... but I wonder about the overall blue cast. The picture looks a lot more real (and IMO, no less attractive) with the blue channel toned down. And that's what you'd get if you made the concrete wall neutral. Well, the slides are blue and it was blue. Do you know offhand the largest length (single frame) of 120 film that the LS-8000 will scan? It's tempting to get a MF back for my ShenHao (4x5) so that I go back to using the Nikon to scan that stuff. The largest frame the Nikon will scan is 56x82 mm. So you have to scan twice and stitch. Someone sent me a 6x17 frame to play with, and although I succeeded in scanning that frame, it was only because that particular frame didn't cause Newton's rings. With the regular film holder, and with a mask holding the 6x17 frame off the glass, I was unable to get the film flat enough to remain in critical focus across the whole frame. In the spirit of sharing, here's a pano I made from four 645 images. I had fun printing this 80"x18" on my Epson. What do you use to drive the Epson for longer than standard sizes? http://www.terrapinphoto.com/fog_pano.jpg Ah, I see you left the power pole. A lot of my countryside shots have lots of power poles. They don't bother me, since they actually were there. But some people think they should be photoshopped out... David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan |
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In rec.photo.equipment.large-format jjs wrote:
You should be sure you want 6x17. 17cm requires 7" or better enlarging equipment. It could get complicated or expensive quickly. On the other hand, 12cm is common, and wide lenses that cover it are easily found. The wide angle part might not end up being true. A 75mm Nikon should cover 6x17. To get something similar on 6x12 you'd need something around 58mm. OTOH a 6x12 back can be had for relatively little. Nick |
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:27:40 +0900, "David J. Littleboy"
wrote: What do you use to drive the Epson for longer than standard sizes? http://www.terrapinphoto.com/fog_pano.jpg Nothing special. Epson driver. For the 7000, the limit is around 80 inches. Strangely, the driver will let you plug in much larger values but will then choke. Somewhere along the way I found a PDF (from Epson's web site) with official print-length limits for this printer... and chose a length just below that. It's still not optimal -- if I could use the full printing width available, the print would be more like 100" long. But I'm not about to shell out thousands of $$ for a RIP, not quite yet. rafe b. http://www.terrapinphoto.com |
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".::SuperBLUE::." wrote
Is Linhof or Fuji 617 unavoidable or is there a cheaper solution? Use a 5x7 (or 8x10 or 4x5) and use the center strip. And after you are done you still have a perfectly useful camera, unlike a Linhof 6x17. If you want hand-held then get a Crown graphic and a 65mm lens and have someone fit a recessed lensboard. -- Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics. To reply, remove spaces: n o lindan at ix . netcom . com psst.. want to buy an f-stop timer? nolindan.com/da/fstop/ |
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".::SuperBLUE::." wrote
1. Color films for large format and where are they developed? Most professional large format work is in color, any medium/large city will have a laboratory that does large format color. You can also do it yourself in a flat bottom tray resting in a much larger tray of hot water. Look for the Tetenal kits. 2. Would large format confine me to black & white manualy developed photos? No. 3. Is it better to buy large format camera or 6x17 considering the available lenses (I like the telephoto)? There aren't any lenses available for 6x17 cameras except the one that came with it and maybe one or two others. For large format there are 1000's of lenses. -- Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics. To reply, remove spaces: n o lindan at ix . netcom . com psst.. want to buy an f-stop timer? nolindan.com/da/fstop/ |
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"Nick Zentena" wrote in message
... In rec.photo.equipment.large-format jjs wrote: You should be sure you want 6x17. 17cm requires 7" or better enlarging equipment. It could get complicated or expensive quickly. On the other hand, 12cm is common, and wide lenses that cover it are easily found. The wide angle part might not end up being true. A 75mm Nikon should cover 6x17. To get something similar on 6x12 you'd need something around 58mm. Maybe - but the widest lens I have that will cover 6x12 gives me a wider horizontal AoV than the widest I have that will cover 6x17. That's partly a reflection of the lenses I happen to have, but even if I did have a 75mm that would cover 6x17, it still wouldn't give as wide an AoV as my 38mm does on 6x12: I don't think it's possible to get as wide an AoV as that on 6x17. But then, I make the 38mm pn 6x12 to be the horizontal equivalent of a 12mm on 135 film, so it's not the sort of perspective one needs very often! (The 75mm you suggest is the equivalent of a 16mm on 135, so it's already fairly extreme.) OTOH a 6x12 back can be had for relatively little. With the emphasis on the word 'relatively', compared to other sized film-backs! Peter |
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".::SuperBLUE::." wrote in message
... What is the best way for me to start? What is the cheapest option? Is Linhof or Fuji 617 unavoidable or is there a cheaper solution? Maybe Russian/Chinese? There's a Chinese made back to take 6x17 on 4x5 cameras - obviously that requires a 'trick' since 17cm is bigger than 5", so it works by setting the film plane a bit further back. Definitely not the luxury way to go, but it looks like a functional approach, if you can live with the necessary compromises. I've just got myself one to try out, and posted a short review with my initial impressions on rec.photo.equipment.large-format Peter |
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".::SuperBLUE::." wrote:
What is the best way for me to start? In a way, you already started. If you have an interest in panorama images, and that aspect ratio, then finding the gear would seem to be a next step. However, I suggest you consider first how you are going to get the images printed, or scanned, since these are the likely first options for using these images. What is the cheapest option? Large format camera, or home built from two 6x9 folder cameras. A lens with a focusing mount is expensive, so in some combinations, a large format camera and roll film back might end up lower cost. Is Linhof or Fuji 617 unavoidable or is there a cheaper solution? Fotoman, Patz, and sometimes a few other oddities, some built to order only. http://www.fotomancamera.com http://www.PatzImaging.com/Patz616.html Maybe Russian/Chinese? Swing lens cameras, or strange rotating cameras like the Seitz Roundshot that takes medium format roll film (expensive). Depending upon how good a craftsman you are, you might be able to make your own. Other options are the Hasselblad XPan (close to same aspect ration, but 35 mm), a 6x12 (Horseman, VeriWide, Linhof, roll film back on 4x5 large format camera), or cropped down 6x9 (ALPA, or home built from folder cameras). Of these, a used XPan is around $1500 with the 45 mm lens, Horseman slightly higher, some older options maybe in need of repair, an ALPA at luxury pricing, or cropping 6x9. The advantage by cropping 6x9 is that the film has slightly better ability to stay flat than with a 6x17 camera, so that enlargements and scans could easily be just as sharp, if not better in some situations. Also, a smaller than 6x17 camera could be easier to carry around. If you get a chance to look at a Linhof or Fuji 6x17, you might be shocked at how crude the construction is, though the lens and focus mount are well made. I don't think you need either of those to get a good lens, and large format lens choices would get you there. Going smaller with similar aspect ratio might even be easier, though an XPan is limited in lens choice, and home built could provide similar restrictions. Anyway, let us know what you finally decide to get. Ciao! Gordon Moat A G Studio http://www.allgstudio.com |
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"Gordon Moat" wrote in message
... [SNIP] Going smaller with similar aspect ratio might even be easier, though an XPan is limited in lens choice, and home built could provide similar restrictions. Anyway, let us know what you finally decide to get. Still waiting for someone to come up with a P6 to X-Pan adapter... Peter |
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