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Velvia 50 vs Velvia 100 (non-F) comparison
Since I've had trouble finding such comparisons of my own, I thought
I'd post these. I shot them both within a minute of each other on Saturday morning (around 9am) at Sandy Stream Pond, Baxter State Park, ME. Note: I shoot RVP50 at ISO 40, which accounts for it being somewhat more exposed than the 100 sample. I shot the RVP100 at ISO 100. Velvia 50: http://www.umit.maine.edu/~christoph...hdin_RVP50.jpg Velvia 100: http://www.umit.maine.edu/~christoph...din_RVP100.jpg Both shot on a Cambo 4x5, Rodenstock Sironar-N 150mm, Singh-Ray warming polarizer. - Chris |
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Velvia 50 vs Velvia 100 (non-F) comparison
I suppose I should also mention that these were both scanned on an
Epson Perfection 3200, using Vuescan, two passes with long exposure pass turned on. Downsampled from 2400dpi. To me, the RVP100 looks a bit magenta. - Chris |
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Velvia 50 vs Velvia 100 (non-F) comparison
In rec.photo.film+labs Chris Sprague wrote:
Velvia 50 @ EI 40: http://www.umit.maine.edu/~christoph...hdin_RVP50.jpg Velvia 100 as rated: http://www.umit.maine.edu/~christoph...din_RVP100.jpg Thanks for the comparison. You are right that Velvia 100 is more magenta; maybe also a bit redder. After increasing green gamma 1.08 and decreasing red gamma .98, the mountain, forest, and lake are almost a perfect match. (In Photoshop etc. this could be done by increasing brightness then changing color balance.) But note that the cirrus clouds are whit with Velvia 100. Despite its green bias, Velvia 50 didn't produce pure whites. Did you have to hike to this spot? I once climbed Mount Katahdin in winter, and we had to ski many miles to a cabin near the base where we stayed overnight. That cabin must be closer to the mountain than the spot where you took this picture. |
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Velvia 50 vs Velvia 100 (non-F) comparison
I only had to hike about a half mile or so. Thankfully, the snow was
limited to the above-treeline portions of the mountain on Saturday (though that may have changed last night). Did you gain any elevation when you skiied to the cabin? I know of only one cabin along the trail, but it's about halfway up the mountain at Chimney Pond, which is at the bottom of the cirque you can see in my two photos. Truly spectacular spot, btw. Search Google images for "Chimney Pond", you'll find a ton of stuff. Nothing from me, though. If you stayed at a cabin near the base though, then there are many other possibilities. Roaring Brook, Abol Campground, Katahdin Stream campground, etc. For what it's worth, Sandy Stream Pond (where I took this photo) is accessible from Roaring Brook, and is also one of the best places in Maine, if not the world, to get good shots of moose in a landscape setting. Moose in the morning are as reliabe there as Old Faithful. Just show up, and you'll see some. Last Saturday, five moose came out to the pond at the same time at one point. They were on the opposite shore though, and unfortunately, I only had a 150mm 4x5 lens with me. Anyway, I digress... - Chris |
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Velvia 50 vs Velvia 100 (non-F) comparison
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"Chris Sprague" wrote: I shot the RVP100 at ISO 100. Should have used 80. Velvia 50: http://www.umit.maine.edu/~christoph...hdin_RVP50.jpg Velvia 100: http://www.umit.maine.edu/~christoph...din_RVP100.jpg Both shot on a Cambo 4x5, Rodenstock Sironar-N 150mm, Singh-Ray warming polarizer. - Chris -- LF Website @ http://members.verizon.net/~gregoryblank "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 |
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Chris Sprague wrote:
I only had to hike about a half mile or so. Thankfully, the snow was limited to the above-treeline portions of the mountain on Saturday (though that may have changed last night). Did you gain any elevation when you skiied to the cabin? I know of only one cabin along the trail, but it's about halfway up the mountain at Chimney Pond, which is at the bottom of the cirque you can see in my two photos. Truly spectacular spot, btw. Yes, the name Chimney Pond sounds familiar. We didn't see any pond. Of course in winter the pond is probably frozen over. Actually I climbed Katahdin several times while in college. We were planning to go there senior year, but a climbing party had set out in freezing rain (this was before Goretex) and several of them died on the way up. Thanks for your moose viewing recommendations. Anyway, I digress... Yup, back to film. Dontcha think the clouds are too magenta in RVP 50? |
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Velvia 50 vs Velvia 100 (non-F) comparison
Perhaps, but I think everything else is too magenta in RVP100. It's
too bad that the exposures weren't closer together, as it would be a fairer comparison. Regardless, I like them both. This is very good news to me, since RVP100 is what I'll inevitably be shooting in a year or so, whether I want to or not. I'll just need to learn how to shoot it, just as I did with Velvia 50. - Chris |
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Velvia 50 vs Velvia 100 (non-F) comparison
The answer to this question is in my follow-up post, the second post in
this thread (Epson Perfection 3200, Vuescan). I let Vuescan chose the exposure and colors, and since they were very close to what I saw on the film, I made no adjustments. From there the only thing I did was downsample and save to jpeg for the web. - Chris |
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Velvia 50 vs Velvia 100 (non-F) comparison
In rec.photo.film+labs Chris Sprague wrote:
The answer to this question is in my follow-up post, the second post in this thread (Epson Perfection 3200, Vuescan). I let Vuescan chose the exposure and colors, and since they were very close to what I saw on the film, I made no adjustments. From there the only thing I did was downsample and save to jpeg for the web. Smart, using 1:1:1 chroma subsampling on the JPEG. I don't know what software you used to write the file, but (for JPEG) quality is about as good as it could be. Thanks again. I'm a little puzzled why people continue to like Velvia 50, because for me, the pink cirrus clouds ruin that image. The forest is not objectionably magenta in the Velvia 100; warm colors are good. The sky was deeper blue with Velvia 100, but that could have been owing to exposure (EI 40 with Velvia 50). |
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Velvia 50 vs Velvia 100 (non-F) comparison
I use Paint Shop Pro v.8, until I can afford to cough up enough dough
for a copy of Photoshop. PSP has been fine for my web work, but now that I'm going to start printing from scans, I think I could benefit from Photoshop. By the way, the more I look at the Velvia 100 image, the more I like it. In fact, that's probably the one I'm going to get my lightjet print from. - Chris |
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