Technical ignorance allows for some funny situations

On 6/10/2014 2:12 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2014-06-10 17:15:17 +0000, nospam said:

In article , PeterN
wrote:

he claims homeopathic cures (which is nothing more than ordinary water)
can cure anything.

Not all homeopathic medicines are water.

the majority are water and so highly diluted that there is not even 1
molecule of the original substance.

a little sugar might be added for taste but that's about it.

Some actually work. Some only
work because of the placebo effect. And others do not work at all.

if they do anything at all, it's a complete coincidence.

it's a complete scam.

Homeopathy is all placebo. You might as well have a shaman dance around
you while shaking a rattle.

I've always liked the dilution to less than one molecule in a dose. I
guess you have be lucky and get the molecule.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

On 6/10/2014 4:37 PM, James Silverton wrote:

snip


Being a reader of science fiction, I was once excited to look up from
jammed traffic in Washington DC in the late 60's and see an echelon of
pink discs going across the orange sunset sky. I only had to blink and
refocus after a second or two to realize that they were Canada geese lit
by the setting sun.


Better pink geese, than pink elephants in your mirror. ;-)

--
PeterN

On 10/06/2014 21:15, PeterN wrote:
On 6/10/2014 3:51 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

Here's what WebMD has to say about it.
http://www.webmd.com/balance/guide/homeopathy-topic-overview

that doesn't say much of anything.

From the article:
"highly diluted or "potentiated" substances. There is some evidence to
show that homeopathic medicines may have helpful effects."

No stronger than the placebo effect which is what it exploits.

The entire semiconductor industry would collapse if the bull**** that
these jokers believe was even remotely close to being correct.

Basically any charlatan that wants to practice homeopathy should be
obliged to live for a year in a malaria region protected only by the
quackery that they intend to sell to the willfuly ignorant worried well.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 2014-06-10 19:39:51 +0000, PeterN said:

On 6/10/2014 2:12 PM, Savageduck wrote:

Le Snip

Homeopathy is all placebo. You might as well have a shaman dance around
you while shaking a rattle.


Here is a thought provoking article on the efficacy of TCM.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/553037

That might be interesting to read if I didn't have to log in.

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Regards,

Savageduck

In article 20140610155149941-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck
wrote:

Here is a thought provoking article on the efficacy of TCM.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/553037

That might be interesting to read if I didn't have to log in.

you didn't find the back door either!

In article , PeterN
wrote:

Homeopathy is all placebo. You might as well have a shaman dance around
you while shaking a rattle.

Here is a thought provoking article on the efficacy of TCM.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/553037

requires a login.

You cannot figure the back door?
Oh my!

can't be bothered.

post a workable link.

In article , PeterN
wrote:

Here's what WebMD has to say about it.
http://www.webmd.com/balance/guide/homeopathy-topic-overview

that doesn't say much of anything.

From the article:
"highly diluted or "potentiated" substances. There is some evidence to
show that homeopathic medicines may have helpful effects."

'may have'.

not 'does have'.

it's at best, a placebo.

In article , PeterN
wrote:

If you look at the definition, vaccines, and anti-venoms, fall into the
category of homeopathic medicines.

no they don't.

Here's a quote from the above article:
"Homeopathy is based on the idea that "like cures like." That is, if a
substance causes a symptom in a healthy person, giving the person a very
small amount of the same substance may cure the illness. In theory, a
homeopathic dose enhances the body's normal healing and self-regulatory
processes."

That is exactly how vaccines work.

no it isn't.

vaccines have enough material to cause the body to generate an immune
response.

homeopathic remedies do not. they don't even have 1 molecule of the
original 'substance', which has little to do with whatever ailment it's
supposedly trying to cure anyway.

vaccines contain inert antigens so the body's immune system can build
up antibodies, but on occasion, there can be side effects and even
death.


Some, but not all. Some are live vaccines.

some are, but that doesn't change anything.

a homeopathic remedy (it's not medicine) is a substance that is highly
diluted in water, so much so that it won't even have one *molecule* of
the substance in the final product.

in other words, it's plain water.

And your authority for that statement applying to ALL?

it's what homeopathy is.

it's complete bull**** and does absolutely nothing whatsoever to cure
anything that plain ordinary water would not do.

however, it can't hurt, because it's just water.

Depends on the dilution factor.

duh.

You are also aware that an excess of water is a major killer of people?

nobody is claiming to drink fatal amounts of water.

you're as usual, trying to twist things.

Acupuncture and trans-cutaneous electrical devices really do provide
pain relief.

also not homeopathy and they make extreme claims.

Such extreme claims that TNS requires a prescription. It seems that body
builders were using them to cure pain, to the degree that they were
suffering pulled tendons without feeling the pain.
BTW I used to be on the board of a TNS manufacturer, and have seen the
results of controlled efficacy studies. I am telling you that they
greatly reduce pain. However, the newer ones are not as good.

it's still considered to be a non-standard treatment.

On 2014-06-10 23:18:31 +0000, nospam said:

In article 20140610155149941-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck
wrote:

Here is a thought provoking article on the efficacy of TCM.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/553037

That might be interesting to read if I didn't have to log in.

you didn't find the back door either!

Nope!

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2014-06-10 23:21:15 +0000, nospam said:

In article , PeterN
wrote:

Here's what WebMD has to say about it.
http://www.webmd.com/balance/guide/homeopathy-topic-overview

that doesn't say much of anything.

From the article:
"highly diluted or "potentiated" substances. There is some evidence to
show that homeopathic medicines may have helpful effects."

'may have'.

not 'does have'.

it's at best, a placebo.

Homeopathic medicine is best described as irresponsible medicine.
It will do nothing for a bacterial infection. It will do nothing for a
viral infection. It will not miraculously unblock a cardiac artery. It
doesn't do that well with snake bite. It has a lousy success rate with
pancreatic cancer. It won't even do a damn thing for pollen allergies.

It might convince a believer that their headache is gone.

--
Regards,

Savageduck