Technical ignorance allows for some funny situations

On 6/10/2014 1:15 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

Ordinary water can cure many ailments...provided you take a pill with
it.

It can also cure and prevent ailments without a pill. Think dehydration.

sure, but that's all it can cure because dehydration is a lack of water.

Looks like you learned a new word today.


the loonies think it can cure all sorts of stuff. it can't.



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PeterN

On 6/10/2014 1:15 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Martin Brown
wrote:


I flipped by a show on TV called, "UFO Files" or some such name. They had
film of a triangular shaped "UFO." They intoned how it was never
explained
by the air force. It was 4 lights, probably on a plane, defocused by a
camera lens with a squarish diaphragm. I laughed out loud.

So the alien disguise worked.

Sometimes they're hiding in plain sight you know...

there's an insane lunatic on dpreview that insists that aliens are here
on earth right now and live among us.

There is a lot of it about

yes there is and it's often hilarious at what idiocy people say/post.

he claims he has extensive proof and has even met them, but it's all
kept secret to avoid mass hysteria.

supposedly they have been visiting earth for hundreds of thousands of
years and even built the pyramids because humans couldn't do it
themselves.

you can't make this stuff up.

Erich Von Daniken already did with a best seller "Chariots of the Gods".

The sort of loons that believe this rot also insist that NASA did not go
to the moon. Are they in for a shock when the Chinese go there and bring
back one of the abandonned Hasselblad cameras as a souvenir.

they'll no doubt have some crazy explanation, probably that it was an
ordinary hasselblad left out in the desert, perhaps in arizona where
the moon landing was supposedly staged, to 'age'.

the flat-earth society is another fun one. the nonsense they parrot can
be an absolute hoot. they claim that the earth is actually a bowl and
'orbiting' is just riding around the rim.

UFOs are much rarer now than they were at the height of the paranoid
Cold War era. Not least because orbital elements of known space objects
is widely available with predictions of the strartlingly bright Iridium
flares now very precise. And I bet most people have never seen one!

the ufos might be rarer, but the loonies are in full force.


If you look at the definition, vaccines, and anti-venoms, fall into the
category of homeopathic medicines.

Here's what WebMD has to say about it.
http://www.webmd.com/balance/guide/homeopathy-topic-overview

Yes there are a lot of scams. But some of them really do work. Chicken
soup is an old remedy that truly provides symptomatic relief.
Acupuncture and trans-cutaneous electrical devices really do provide
pain relief.

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PeterN

On 6/10/2014 2:12 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2014-06-10 17:15:17 +0000, nospam said:

In article , PeterN
wrote:

he claims homeopathic cures (which is nothing more than ordinary water)
can cure anything.

Not all homeopathic medicines are water.

the majority are water and so highly diluted that there is not even 1
molecule of the original substance.

a little sugar might be added for taste but that's about it.

Some actually work. Some only
work because of the placebo effect. And others do not work at all.

if they do anything at all, it's a complete coincidence.

it's a complete scam.

Homeopathy is all placebo. You might as well have a shaman dance around
you while shaking a rattle.


Here is a thought provoking article on the efficacy of TCM.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/553037

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PeterN

In article ,
nospam wrote:

In article , android
wrote:

the flat-earth society is another fun one. the nonsense they parrot can
be an absolute hoot. they claim that the earth is actually a bowl and
'orbiting' is just riding around the rim.

oki... the flat bowl society it is... do they charge for membership? or
do they make you spend your heritage on classes like the auuch...
the word of whatever shape (bad really) want's to know!

there's a free membership level and paid options as well.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/
Official Membership*- After much planning, we are now ready to
officially accept new members to the Society. Becoming an associate
member of the Society is free and is as simple as sending a postcard.
For those who wish to take on a more committed role in the Society,
full membership (including a signed certificate, membership card and
hand-numbered Flat Earth Society medallion) is available for a small
donation.

you're in the know... you know too much to be on the outside... YOU'RE
ONE OF "THEM"!!!
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teleportation kills
http://tinyurl.com/androidphotography

In article , PeterN
wrote:

If you look at the definition, vaccines, and anti-venoms, fall into the
category of homeopathic medicines.

no they don't.

vaccines contain inert antigens so the body's immune system can build
up antibodies, but on occasion, there can be side effects and even
death.

a homeopathic remedy (it's not medicine) is a substance that is highly
diluted in water, so much so that it won't even have one *molecule* of
the substance in the final product.

in other words, it's plain water.

it's complete bull**** and does absolutely nothing whatsoever to cure
anything that plain ordinary water would not do.

however, it can't hurt, because it's just water.

at best, it's a placebo. at worst, someone tries it instead of proper
treatment and gets worse and possibly dies.

Here's what WebMD has to say about it.
http://www.webmd.com/balance/guide/homeopathy-topic-overview

that doesn't say much of anything.

Yes there are a lot of scams. But some of them really do work. Chicken
soup is an old remedy that truly provides symptomatic relief.

chicken soup is not considered homeopathy and doesn't always work
anyway.

Acupuncture and trans-cutaneous electrical devices really do provide
pain relief.

also not homeopathy and they make extreme claims.

In article , PeterN
wrote:

Homeopathy is all placebo. You might as well have a shaman dance around
you while shaking a rattle.

Here is a thought provoking article on the efficacy of TCM.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/553037

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On 6/10/2014 3:51 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

Homeopathy is all placebo. You might as well have a shaman dance around
you while shaking a rattle.

Here is a thought provoking article on the efficacy of TCM.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/553037

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You cannot figure the back door?
Oh my!
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PeterN

On 6/10/2014 3:51 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

If you look at the definition, vaccines, and anti-venoms, fall into the
category of homeopathic medicines.

no they don't.

vaccines contain inert antigens so the body's immune system can build
up antibodies, but on occasion, there can be side effects and even
death.

a homeopathic remedy (it's not medicine) is a substance that is highly
diluted in water, so much so that it won't even have one *molecule* of
the substance in the final product.

in other words, it's plain water.

it's complete bull**** and does absolutely nothing whatsoever to cure
anything that plain ordinary water would not do.

however, it can't hurt, because it's just water.

at best, it's a placebo. at worst, someone tries it instead of proper
treatment and gets worse and possibly dies.

Here's what WebMD has to say about it.
http://www.webmd.com/balance/guide/homeopathy-topic-overview

that doesn't say much of anything.

From the article:
"highly diluted or "potentiated" substances. There is some evidence to
show that homeopathic medicines may have helpful effects."




Yes there are a lot of scams. But some of them really do work. Chicken
soup is an old remedy that truly provides symptomatic relief.

chicken soup is not considered homeopathy and doesn't always work
anyway.

Acupuncture and trans-cutaneous electrical devices really do provide
pain relief.

also not homeopathy and they make extreme claims.



--
PeterN

On 6/10/2014 3:51 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

If you look at the definition, vaccines, and anti-venoms, fall into the
category of homeopathic medicines.

no they don't.


Here's a quote from the above article:
"Homeopathy is based on the idea that "like cures like." That is, if a
substance causes a symptom in a healthy person, giving the person a very
small amount of the same substance may cure the illness. In theory, a
homeopathic dose enhances the body's normal healing and self-regulatory
processes."

That is exactly how vaccines work.

vaccines contain inert antigens so the body's immune system can build
up antibodies, but on occasion, there can be side effects and even
death.


Some, but not all. Some are live vaccines.



a homeopathic remedy (it's not medicine) is a substance that is highly
diluted in water, so much so that it won't even have one *molecule* of
the substance in the final product.

in other words, it's plain water.

And your authority for that statement applying to ALL?


it's complete bull**** and does absolutely nothing whatsoever to cure
anything that plain ordinary water would not do.

however, it can't hurt, because it's just water.


Depends on the dilution factor.

You are also aware that an excess of water is a major killer of people?

at best, it's a placebo. at worst, someone tries it instead of proper
treatment and gets worse and possibly dies.

Here's what WebMD has to say about it.
http://www.webmd.com/balance/guide/homeopathy-topic-overview

that doesn't say much of anything.

Yes there are a lot of scams. But some of them really do work. Chicken
soup is an old remedy that truly provides symptomatic relief.

chicken soup is not considered homeopathy and doesn't always work
anyway.

Acupuncture and trans-cutaneous electrical devices really do provide
pain relief.

also not homeopathy and they make extreme claims.

Such extreme claims that TNS requires a prescription. It seems that body
builders were using them to cure pain, to the degree that they were
suffering pulled tendons without feeling the pain.
BTW I used to be on the board of a TNS manufacturer, and have seen the
results of controlled efficacy studies. I am telling you that they
greatly reduce pain. However, the newer ones are not as good.

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PeterN

On 6/10/2014 1:40 PM, Martin Brown wrote:
On 10/06/2014 18:15, nospam wrote:
In article , Martin Brown

UFOs are much rarer now than they were at the height of the paranoid
Cold War era. Not least because orbital elements of known space objects
is widely available with predictions of the strartlingly bright Iridium
flares now very precise. And I bet most people have never seen one!

the ufos might be rarer, but the loonies are in full force.

If you haven't seen an Iridium flare put your lat & long into this
website and pick one that is -6 to -8 - they are startling.

You have to be looking in the right place when they occur.

http://heavens-above.com/

Magnitude is a log scale. To put it into perspective a full moon is -13
ISS is usually between -2 and -3.5 (rare ideal conditions can be -6)

Being a reader of science fiction, I was once excited to look up from
jammed traffic in Washington DC in the late 60's and see an echelon of
pink discs going across the orange sunset sky. I only had to blink and
refocus after a second or two to realize that they were Canada geese lit
by the setting sun.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

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