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Does anyone have experience of High Gamut monitors?
On 1/21/2017 10:23 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 21:35:49 -0500, PeterN wrote: On 1/21/2017 5:50 PM, Eric Stevens wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 17:04:13 -0500, PeterN wrote: On 1/21/2017 3:46 PM, nospam wrote: In article , Neil wrote: I would be very skeptical about claims that one needs Windows 10 to handle 4k displays, because that is managed by the graphics card, and all that is required is a driver compatible with an older version of Windows. Such things do exist; there are many for Windows Vista and 7, for example. it may be possible if you hunt for the appropriate drivers and any other support software that may be needed, but that's a hassle and not everyone will bother (or even know where to look). with win10, support is built in, so other than the occasional edge case, it will work out of the box. Windows 10 is *not* required for 4K displays. i didn't say win10 was required. i said it works out of the box without any fuss. Since this is not an OS-level issue, it absolutely is an os issue. without os level support, it's *not* going to work unless the app explicitly supports it, which is not likely. most people who have done graphics using a PC will not find it difficult to get the requisite drivers for their specific graphics card. some might not, but most will since most users are *not* geeks, particularly those who do graphics for a living. My daughter who uses a PC, and is a creative director, uses Windows 7 at home and a Mac in her office, has no graphics issues. And since she works from home several days a week, she regularly transfers files between her two machines. Does she use 4k screens? No. Very little of her work is for print. Then I don't think this relates to the possible problems of using 4k screens. Does it? It certainly does, as collaboration is a big factor. Also, I should have mentioned that the amount of her work for printing is sold by her agent. Her share ranges from $50 for an 8x10 up to $750. The agent charges a lot more as the agent needs a profit. My daughter really doesn't care what the agent's share is. -- PeterN |
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Does anyone have experience of High Gamut monitors?
On 1/22/2017 2:48 AM, Eric Stevens wrote:
snip When you construct a print from RGB colors you have access only to colors within the three-pointed three-color RGB triangle. This is fine for an RGB printer but Epson has far more colors than this available. Basically, they have colours which can be generated from within an eight-pointed eight-colour polygon. LR and PS know nothing about these which is why Epson says 'leave it to the printer'. I posted an article about this when I first got the P800 and the results can be astonishing. Very true. It seems to me that one should be able to see pretty close to the printed colors. I have heard that soft proofing accomplishes this. Yet, if you leave color management to the printers, will one be able to see the final image onscreen? I am asking seriously. -- PeterN |
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Duck's trip. Was ( Does anyone have experience of High Gamut monitors?
On 2017-01-22 16:49:50 +0000, PeterN said:
On 1/21/2017 9:53 PM, Savageduck wrote: snip My LR print dialog can look something like this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/Demo/screenshot_344.jpg More importantly. Are you back from your trip? Or, if not how are you enjoying it? I am back. I was a bit dissapointed from the photography point of view as I didn't much get out of greater Cape Town to seek out wild life prospects, but I made great connections with old friends and places I had not seen for years. I will have a very different agenda for my next trip from here on the Central Coast to wherever it will take me. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Duck's trip. Was ( Does anyone have experience of High Gamutmonitors?
On 1/22/2017 12:06 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-01-22 16:49:50 +0000, PeterN said: On 1/21/2017 9:53 PM, Savageduck wrote: snip My LR print dialog can look something like this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/Demo/screenshot_344.jpg More importantly. Are you back from your trip? Or, if not how are you enjoying it? I am back. I was a bit dissapointed from the photography point of view as I didn't much get out of greater Cape Town to seek out wild life prospects, but I made great connections with old friends and places I had not seen for years. I will have a very different agenda for my next trip from here on the Central Coast to wherever it will take me. Not every trip needs to be photographically magnificent, unless of course that was the purpose of the trip. I hope you enjoyed it. -- PeterN |
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Does anyone have experience of High Gamut monitors?
On 2017-01-22 17:03:40 +0000, PeterN said:
On 1/22/2017 2:48 AM, Eric Stevens wrote: snip When you construct a print from RGB colors you have access only to colors within the three-pointed three-color RGB triangle. This is fine for an RGB printer but Epson has far more colors than this available. Basically, they have colours which can be generated from within an eight-pointed eight-colour polygon. LR and PS know nothing about these which is why Epson says 'leave it to the printer'. I posted an article about this when I first got the P800 and the results can be astonishing. Very true. It seems to me that one should be able to see pretty close to the printed colors. I have heard that soft proofing accomplishes this. Yet, if you leave color management to the printers, will one be able to see the final image onscreen? I am asking seriously. If you relinquish color management to the printer you are waiving all the work you had done in software, and you are rolling the dice with regard to print results matching your intentions worked for in LR or PS Soft proofing is the best compromise in making final tweaks before producing a print. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Duck's trip. Was ( Does anyone have experience of High Gamut monitors?
On 2017-01-22 17:11:38 +0000, PeterN said:
On 1/22/2017 12:06 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-01-22 16:49:50 +0000, PeterN said: On 1/21/2017 9:53 PM, Savageduck wrote: snip My LR print dialog can look something like this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/Demo/screenshot_344.jpg More importantly. Are you back from your trip? Or, if not how are you enjoying it? I am back. I was a bit dissapointed from the photography point of view as I didn't much get out of greater Cape Town to seek out wild life prospects, but I made great connections with old friends and places I had not seen for years. I will have a very different agenda for my next trip from here on the Central Coast to wherever it will take me. Not every trip needs to be photographically magnificent, unless of course that was the purpose of the trip. I hope you enjoyed it. The primary purpose of the trip was not photography, but one can always hope for appropriate photo opportunities. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Does anyone have experience of High Gamut monitors?
On 1/22/2017 12:12 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-01-22 17:03:40 +0000, PeterN said: On 1/22/2017 2:48 AM, Eric Stevens wrote: snip When you construct a print from RGB colors you have access only to colors within the three-pointed three-color RGB triangle. This is fine for an RGB printer but Epson has far more colors than this available. Basically, they have colours which can be generated from within an eight-pointed eight-colour polygon. LR and PS know nothing about these which is why Epson says 'leave it to the printer'. I posted an article about this when I first got the P800 and the results can be astonishing. Very true. It seems to me that one should be able to see pretty close to the printed colors. I have heard that soft proofing accomplishes this. Yet, if you leave color management to the printers, will one be able to see the final image onscreen? I am asking seriously. If you relinquish color management to the printer you are waiving all the work you had done in software, and you are rolling the dice with regard to print results matching your intentions worked for in LR or PS Soft proofing is the best compromise in making final tweaks before producing a print. That makes sense. I would think that a good workflow would be to soft proof, and then run a test print, using a smaller size paper. -- PeterN |
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Duck's trip. Was ( Does anyone have experience of High Gamutmonitors?
On 1/22/2017 12:15 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-01-22 17:11:38 +0000, PeterN said: On 1/22/2017 12:06 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-01-22 16:49:50 +0000, PeterN said: On 1/21/2017 9:53 PM, Savageduck wrote: snip My LR print dialog can look something like this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/Demo/screenshot_344.jpg More importantly. Are you back from your trip? Or, if not how are you enjoying it? I am back. I was a bit dissapointed from the photography point of view as I didn't much get out of greater Cape Town to seek out wild life prospects, but I made great connections with old friends and places I had not seen for years. I will have a very different agenda for my next trip from here on the Central Coast to wherever it will take me. Not every trip needs to be photographically magnificent, unless of course that was the purpose of the trip. I hope you enjoyed it. The primary purpose of the trip was not photography, but one can always hope for appropriate photo opportunities. Appropriate opportunities are always present. The main difference is that on a photo trip one seeks them out. On a recent weekend trip, I did not even bring a camera. Murphy intervened, and we just stopped to enjoy the great sunset. -- PeterN |
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Does anyone have experience of High Gamut monitors?
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Eric Stevens wrote: For the last several years I have relied on an (almost) matched pairs of Dell 2410 monitors - and now one has died. Not really surprising, considering it was +8 years old, but it was a bloody good monitor. I am now faced with the task of replacing it. I don't want to just replace it as it would amount to no more than installing 8 year old technology and I have been frantically beating around the bush trying to decide what to do. I am considering all kinds of options but I don't want to go into them now. One possibility which is raising sweat to my brow is the use of a high gamut monitor such as the Dell Ultrasharp 25 UP2516D http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-...remiercolor-up 2516d/apd/210-agjq/monitors-monitor-accessories or http://tinyurl.com/hdpepts My reading on the subject suggests that monitors such as this can have problems with non-color-managed applications such as many that can be found on the Internet and can also create problems when editing images in all kinds of software. I would like to know if anyone has had any experience with such monitors and what their comments may be. Should I consider them and, if so, with what caveats in mind? I have an US and is reluctant to get another. Got you plleeeease test this one for me? http://www.canonrumors.com/reviews/r...ch-adobe-rgb-m onitor/ -- teleportation kills |
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Does anyone have experience of High Gamut monitors?
In article , PeterN
wrote: I would be very skeptical about claims that one needs Windows 10 to handle 4k displays, because that is managed by the graphics card, and all that is required is a driver compatible with an older version of Windows. Such things do exist; there are many for Windows Vista and 7, for example. it may be possible if you hunt for the appropriate drivers and any other support software that may be needed, but that's a hassle and not everyone will bother (or even know where to look). with win10, support is built in, so other than the occasional edge case, it will work out of the box. Windows 10 is *not* required for 4K displays. i didn't say win10 was required. i said it works out of the box without any fuss. Since this is not an OS-level issue, it absolutely is an os issue. without os level support, it's *not* going to work unless the app explicitly supports it, which is not likely. most people who have done graphics using a PC will not find it difficult to get the requisite drivers for their specific graphics card. some might not, but most will since most users are *not* geeks, particularly those who do graphics for a living. My daughter who uses a PC, and is a creative director, uses Windows 7 at home and a Mac in her office, has no graphics issues. And since she works from home several days a week, she regularly transfers files between her two machines. Does she use 4k screens? No. Very little of her work is for print. Then I don't think this relates to the possible problems of using 4k screens. Does it? It certainly does, as collaboration is a big factor. collaboration has nothing to do with using a 4k display. Also, I should have mentioned that the amount of her work for printing is sold by her agent. Her share ranges from $50 for an 8x10 up to $750. The agent charges a lot more as the agent needs a profit. My daughter really doesn't care what the agent's share is. even more irrelevant. |
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