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Mr. Knoppow... or...
"Charles Hohenstein" wrote in message ... In article , "Richard Knoppow" wrote: I'm blushing!!! I agree. I just wish that you were active on APUG. APUG is an inbred clique of a dozen or so people. They hate expertise outside of their domain. I am very happy Richard is 'out there' (which is here) for the Rest of Us. |
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Mr. Knoppow... or...
In article , jjs wrote:
"Charles Hohenstein" wrote in message . .. In article , "Richard Knoppow" wrote: I'm blushing!!! I agree. I just wish that you were active on APUG. APUG is an inbred clique of a dozen or so people. They hate expertise outside of their domain. I am very happy Richard is 'out there' (which is here) for the Rest of Us. So why did they kick you out? -- Reality is a picture perfected and never looking back. |
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On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 22:07:13 -0600, jjs wrote:
APUG is an inbred clique of a dozen or so people. They hate expertise outside of their domain. I am very happy Richard is 'out there' (which is here) for the Rest of Us. I agree to some extent. I think APUG is OK just as Puresilver is as well, but I'd rather see the contributors come back out and play in the yard with the rest of us. JD |
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John wrote: On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 22:07:13 -0600, jjs wrote: APUG is an inbred clique of a dozen or so people. They hate expertise outside of their domain. I am very happy Richard is 'out there' (which is here) for the Rest of Us. I agree to some extent. I think APUG is OK just as Puresilver is as well, but I'd rather see the contributors come back out and play in the yard with the rest of us. JD Users? -- Reality is a picture perfected and never looking back. |
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Mr. Knoppow... or...
"Charles Hohenstein" wrote in message ... In article , "Richard Knoppow" wrote: "Ken Hart" wrote in message ... "AAvK" wrote in message ... Richard! So sorry for being so late, but it dawned on me to thank you very much for your great and terrific help and for the sharing of knowledge, awesome kindness. Thank you, very very much! Richard K. has been a great help and a fountain of knowledge for many people here. IMHO, he is not thanked nearly enough! My life goal is meet him in person some day and see the room (cavern?) where he keeps his reference material. I'm blushing!!! I agree. I just wish that you were active on APUG. I think I am actually registered there but there are now so many web based groups that its hard to keep up with them. At one time most of the people at apug and on the Graflex.org sites were active on the Usenet groups. I will have to start checking apug again. -- --- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA |
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Mr. Knoppow... or...
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:47:15 -0800, "Richard Knoppow"
wrote: I agree. I just wish that you were active on APUG. I think I am actually registered there but there are now so many web based groups that its hard to keep up with them. At one time most of the people at apug and on the Graflex.org sites were active on the Usenet groups. I will have to start checking apug again. Microsoft is evidently disaconnecting some of their servers from the USENET and telling the people that post in those groups that they will have to migrate to their new forums as the current groups are being shut down. How ridiculous ! As if eve MS could shut down a grap ! JD |
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Mr. Knoppow... or...
On 2/25/2008 4:26 AM John spake thus:
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:47:15 -0800, "Richard Knoppow" wrote: I agree. I just wish that you were active on APUG. I think I am actually registered there but there are now so many web based groups that its hard to keep up with them. At one time most of the people at apug and on the Graflex.org sites were active on the Usenet groups. I will have to start checking apug again. Microsoft is evidently disaconnecting some of their servers from the USENET and telling the people that post in those groups that they will have to migrate to their new forums as the current groups are being shut down. How ridiculous ! As if eve MS could shut down a grap ! Where did you hear that? I just checked microsoft.public.excel.misc, which is still "on the air" and has up-to-the-minute posts on it. Which groups did you hear were going to be taken down? By the way, in case people don't know, these newsgroups that Microsoft maintains are (surprisingly) *excellent* sources of information and help with their software. They're on news.microsoft.com. |
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Mr. Knoppow... or...
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:19:36 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote: Microsoft is evidently disaconnecting some of their servers from the USENET and telling the people that post in those groups that they will have to migrate to their new forums as the current groups are being shut down. How ridiculous ! As if eve MS could shut down a grap ! Where did you hear that? I just checked microsoft.public.excel.misc, which is still "on the air" and has up-to-the-minute posts on it. Which groups did you hear were going to be taken down? By the way, in case people don't know, these newsgroups that Microsoft maintains are (surprisingly) *excellent* sources of information and help with their software. They're on news.microsoft.com. Perhaps I should have said "at least one of their groups" however knowing Micosoft and companies like them, they usually enact policies that effect broader ranges than just one group. Here's something I posted to the Expression Web group which is the newsgroup for Microsofts Expression Web editor. The subject (Subject: Newsgroup continuation) is somewhat explanatory and this thread was a second response to a post by one of the MVP's that stated "Hi folks, Most of you already know that Microsoft has created a new community forum center for the Expression programs he http://forums.expression.microsoft.com/en-us/Forums/ As a result our newsgroup will be closing in roughly a week from now. The forums are very nice but I'm going to miss our newsgroup! -- Annie" And of course one of my responses was : Path: bigbe1.bellsouth.net!bigmid2.bellsouth.net!bignumb er.bellsouth.net!news.bellsouth.net!bignews6.bells outh.net.POSTED!06963923!not-for-mail From: John Newsgroups: microsoft.public.expression.webdesigner Subject: Newsgroup continuation NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:06:47 EST Organization: BellSouth Internet Group Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:07:11 -0600 Xref: bigfeed.bellsouth.net microsoft.public.expression.webdesigner:40682 On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:11:06 -0500, "Steve Easton" wrote: I understand that MSFT doesn't control Usenet, but if MSFT deletes microsoft.public.expression.webdesigner from it's servers it will cease to be accessible by Usenet. While my previous reply was somewhat insightful (inciteful ? ;) I could have answered a little better. I'll take this by each conjecture : I understand that MSFT doesn't control Usenet Thank God ! The last think the USENET needs is Microsoft steering it around by the nose and deleting information and posts willy-nilly ! but if MSFT deletes microsoft.public.expression.webdesigner from it's servers it will cease to be accessible by Usenet. It's a two way street as with any server. We won't be able to access their group from a NNTP access and they won't have access to the millions of servers that make up the USENET. So who do you think is going to loose more ? Finally, I'd like to take a quick moment to address a few niggling reasons I won't bother with a web-based forum if there is an alternative I can access from my workstation. Web-based forums exist soley at the behest of their host. This means that Microsoft, Yahoo, AOL, et. al. can (and have !) pull the plug on the server at any time and there will be no public record of the information that was recorded in said forum. Web-based forums are generally moderated and such moderation is invariablty discriminatory. Of course this can be both good and bad but I tend to look upon it as unnecessary at best and destructive at worst. Just speaking from my experiences. Web-based forums are rarely durable. For instance one motorcycling forum I regularly attend had their database so corrupted by a server problem that they had to delete about half the information in it just to get it working again. Of course they attempted to reload from backups but all efforts were less than 100% successful and took nearly 8 weeks for some semblence of functionality to return. Web-based forums are rarely easy to search through. Heck, for a good example of Microsofts capabilities in this area, just look at MSN.com ! But with a NNTP client such as Forte Agent I can run a query on my local system and copy results out to a file or respond to the forum or channel of my choosing. Finally, I find it somewhat surprising and very disconcerting that Microsoft is even considering pulling the NNTP access for the web forum. I'm not one for conspiracy theories however I can't help but believe that they have some agenda in doing so and that this agenda is not in the least concerned with the interest of the consumer. JD |
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Mr. Knoppow... or...
On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:12:05 -0800, "Richard Knoppow"
wrote: I'm blushing!!! So when 's the book going to be done ? Can I pre-order mine yet ? JD |
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Mr. Knoppow... or...
jjs wrote:
"Charles Hohenstein" wrote in message ... In article , "Richard Knoppow" wrote: I'm blushing!!! I agree. I just wish that you were active on APUG. APUG is an inbred clique of a dozen or so people. They hate expertise outside of their domain. I am very happy Richard is 'out there' (which is here) for the Rest of Us. While we all know that this is an expensive hobby, I'd add that unless you spend $$$ on your LF equipment, you'll feel out of place. Heaven forbid you advocate using a Componon lens as a taking lens, you're likely to be run out on rails. Building a camera? some will say it looks nice, but the general response will be "yeah, but my Canham (or Wista, Sinar, Chaminox, etc) is more precise, blah, blah, blah. Of course those of us who just can't afford Richard Ritter's new 20x24 camera, but want to shoot ULF are heretics, how can it possibly be precise, etc. I could go on for hours, but I'll bite my tongue and leave it at the majority of the people there are photo elitists, and camera fondlers. (I do own a few Sinars, bought for far less then market value (even today's very depressed prices) but enjoy my homebuilt cameras much more.) My presence on APUG has diminished, and of all the forums, I spend more time on Nelsonfoto more than anything these days. erie |
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