A Photography forum. PhotoBanter.com

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » PhotoBanter.com forum » Digital Photography » Digital SLR Cameras
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

D3 and Filters



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old April 17th 08, 01:30 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
Mike -- Email Ignored
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 116
Default D3 and Filters

Now that I have a D3, which has all sorts of
color corrections in its electronics, do I
still have a use for the myriad colored
filters I have collected?

Thanks,
Mike.
  #2  
Old April 17th 08, 02:00 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
nospam
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 24,165
Default D3 and Filters

In article upHNj.9322$XF3.7656@trnddc04, Mike -- Email Ignored
wrote:

Now that I have a D3, which has all sorts of
color corrections in its electronics, do I
still have a use for the myriad colored
filters I have collected?


in general, the only filters you need are a circular polarizer and
neutral density filter. coloured filter effects can be done much more
effectively in photoshop.

colour correction filters for tungsten light can theoretically reduce
noise by matching the light to the sensor's native white point, but
it's minor and the d3 does quite well in low light anyway.
  #3  
Old April 17th 08, 02:21 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
Doug Jewell[_3_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 426
Default D3 and Filters

Mike -- Email Ignored wrote:
Now that I have a D3, which has all sorts of
color corrections in its electronics, do I
still have a use for the myriad colored
filters I have collected?

Use the workflow you are more comfortable with. I'm only
just starting to use WB on camera rather than using filters.
I'm familiar with using colour correction filters so for
months I have left the camera on daylight and used
correction filters. (NB - make sure the camera is set to
daylight, or it will try to adjust out the effect of the
filter).

I find that the use of correction filters gives me more
predictable colour balance than using the various WB
settings on camera. Of course the camera WB is faster.

BTW - if you are planning on doing B&W, then I'd suggest
still using your B&W contrast filters. Photoshop can emulate
them but the result just isn't the same.

I haven't done tests, but in theory using colour correction
filters should give you greater dynamic range in your
highlights and shadows when you are at extremes (such as
tungsten lighting).

Thanks,
Mike.

  #4  
Old April 17th 08, 02:33 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
nospam
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 24,165
Default D3 and Filters

In article
, Doug
Jewell wrote:

BTW - if you are planning on doing B&W, then I'd suggest
still using your B&W contrast filters. Photoshop can emulate
them but the result just isn't the same.


that's a bad idea. due to the bayer pattern, using a colour filter
will adversely affect the resolution of the sensor.

plus, photoshop can duplicate what the filter would have done and a
whole lot more, including selectively applying various filters to
different parts of the image.
  #5  
Old April 17th 08, 03:13 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
Frank Arthur
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 594
Default D3 and Filters


"Mike -- Email Ignored" wrote in message
news:upHNj.9322$XF3.7656@trnddc04...
Now that I have a D3, which has all sorts of
color corrections in its electronics, do I
still have a use for the myriad colored
filters I have collected?

Thanks,
Mike.


No. Throw them away except the polarizer.


  #6  
Old April 17th 08, 05:12 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
C J Campbell
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,272
Default D3 and Filters

On 2008-04-17 05:30:18 -0700, Mike -- Email Ignored
said:

Now that I have a D3, which has all sorts of
color corrections in its electronics, do I
still have a use for the myriad colored
filters I have collected?

Thanks,
Mike.


Yes. Among other things, they make great Christmas ornaments.

Seriously, though, there are things that have to be done with colored
filters which cannot be easily duplicated in software. Lately I've been
reading Jeff McNally's "The Moment It Clicks," for example. When you
have different light sources of different types lighting a scene, color
filters on your lens and color gels on your strobes can give you skin
tones and a consistency of lighting that are not otherwise possible.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

  #7  
Old April 17th 08, 05:44 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
OldBoy[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 168
Default D3 and Filters

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
news:2008041709121075249-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
On 2008-04-17 05:30:18 -0700, Mike -- Email Ignored
said:

Now that I have a D3, which has all sorts of
color corrections in its electronics, do I
still have a use for the myriad colored
filters I have collected?

Thanks,
Mike.


Yes. Among other things, they make great Christmas ornaments.

Seriously, though, there are things that have to be done with colored
filters which cannot be easily duplicated in software. Lately I've been
reading Jeff McNally's "The Moment It Clicks," for example. When you have
different light sources of different types lighting a scene, color filters
on your lens and color gels on your strobes can give you skin tones and a
consistency of lighting that are not otherwise possible.

http://www.schneiderkreuznach.com/fi...are_filter.htm ?

  #8  
Old April 17th 08, 06:51 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
C J Campbell
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,272
Default D3 and Filters

On 2008-04-17 09:44:25 -0700, "OldBoy" said:

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
news:2008041709121075249-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
On 2008-04-17 05:30:18 -0700, Mike -- Email Ignored
said:

Now that I have a D3, which has all sorts of
color corrections in its electronics, do I
still have a use for the myriad colored
filters I have collected?

Thanks,
Mike.


Yes. Among other things, they make great Christmas ornaments.

Seriously, though, there are things that have to be done with colored
filters which cannot be easily duplicated in software. Lately I've been
reading Jeff McNally's "The Moment It Clicks," for example. When you
have different light sources of different types lighting a scene, color
filters on your lens and color gels on your strobes can give you skin
tones and a consistency of lighting that are not otherwise possible.

http://www.schneiderkreuznach.com/fi...are_filter.htm ?


I am well aware that there are plenty of software filters out there and
I use them. I think Nikon's filter plug-ins for Capture NX are even
better than these guys. However, software cannot always replicate the
effect of real filters, especially when using spot gels or mixed
lighting.

Neither is it possible to correct white balance in software and get the
same results as getting white balance right in the first place. You can
sometimes get pretty close, but it is definitely not the same.

There is a huge difference between approximating an effect in software
and nailing it in the original image. I know there are photographers
who think they are artists and that they can 'feel' the color
temperature, or that they can walk into a room and tell you what the
white balance should be. I am not one of them. Furthermore, I think
that guys who claim they can 'feel' the color temperature are deluded.
I have never seen one of them who actually could get the white balance
right in tricky lighting situations, or even in an ordinary office with
fluorescent ceiling panels.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

  #9  
Old April 17th 08, 09:41 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
John Smith[_5_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 161
Default D3 and Filters

Bravo! Well put. This naive idea that Photoshop can do everything. is just
that: naive.And dumb also...


Neither is it possible to correct white balance in software and get the
same results as getting white balance right in the first place. You can
sometimes get pretty close, but it is definitely not the same.

There is a huge difference between approximating an effect in software and
nailing it in the original image.
--
Waddling Eagle



  #10  
Old April 17th 08, 10:07 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
Lawrence Glickman
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 143
Default D3 and Filters

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:41:45 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

Bravo! Well put. This naive idea that Photoshop can do everything. is just
that: naive.And dumb also...


It isn't always possible to "nail it in the original image."
That is why Photoshop exists. And I use it regularly on the outliers
that can be pulled back from the brink with software.

Knowing the limitations of Photoshop, however, is an incentive to
"nail it in the original image."

Lg




Neither is it possible to correct white balance in software and get the
same results as getting white balance right in the first place. You can
sometimes get pretty close, but it is definitely not the same.

There is a huge difference between approximating an effect in software and
nailing it in the original image.
--
Waddling Eagle



 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
WTB/WTT Filters Dieter Zakas General Equipment For Sale 2 June 24th 05 06:33 PM
Filters Sameer Agarwal Other Photographic Equipment 4 March 27th 05 07:57 AM
UV filters LtX4 Digital Photography 0 January 12th 05 09:43 AM
Filters jjs Large Format Photography Equipment 1 October 8th 04 01:38 PM
Filters Dallas 35mm Photo Equipment 2 August 3rd 04 03:26 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:12 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 PhotoBanter.com.
The comments are property of their posters.