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Fujifilm X-T3 Announced
RichA wrote:
On Saturday, 8 September 2018 22:28:40 UTC-4, Savageduck wrote: Savageduck wrote: Savageduck wrote: RichA wrote: On Thursday, 6 September 2018 07:38:20 UTC-4, Savageduck wrote: Here is a new camera which delivers all it has promised, and survives without IBIS, or FF. The general opinion is, the X-T3 is a significant improvement over the X-T2. ...and if you want IBIS in a Fujifilm camera buy the X-H1, or wait for the X-H2. https://jonasraskphotography.com/2018/09/06/fujifilm-x-t3-review-next-generation-x/ https://ivanjoshualoh.com/2018/09/06/x-t3-fujifilm-finest/ https://www.macleanphotographic.com/fujifilm-xt3/ https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilm-x-t3-first-impressions-review?utm_source=self-desktop&utm_medium=marquee&utm_campaign=traffic_so urce https://youtu.be/A0Nr8qVdXDQ NO IBIS!!! SIN! Fact is, ISO advantages rapidly vanish without IBIS. So much so I've gotten better pictures with m4/3rds under adverse conditions than some have with APS FF cameras that lack IBIS. Great! However, depending on your subject, for example any action sport, or wildlife in motion, or BIF is not going to be helped by VR/IS/OIS, or IBIS as neither ILIS, nor IBIS is going to do anything to stop/freeze subject motion. What counts is technique, high speed, and inertial stability imparted via subject tracking. Now if you are shooting handheld interiors, handheld macro, handheld landscape, handheld portraits, or just find yourself trapped in low light situations (but not all) then IBIS, VR/IS/OIS is welcome. For my shooting I find that I survived without it for years of shooting film, and I am glad to have it when needed, but can live without it. Now, if most Fuji lenses are IS, and that's what you use, no issue. Currently most Fujinon lenses are not IS. Only one Fujinon prime has OIS, the 80mm. Not all of the Fujinon zooms have OIS there are several such as the XF16-50mm f/2.8 where it is notoriously absent, but it is still a great and popular lens. But it limits what you can do with non-IS lenses, adapted lenses. Though I don't think Fuji mirror-less users are as much into adapting non-Fuji lenses as m4/3rds and Sony users. Actually there is quite a large Fujifilm adapted lens community, mostly folks owning Leica, and Voigtlander glass for cameras which historically had no concept of IS, or IBIS. Some more on the X-T3. http://danbaileyphoto.com/blog/4th-generation-x-series-my-full-review-of-the-fujifilm-x-t3/?awt_l=53v8E&awt_m=3YTUy0ZsxymKiyM To add to my Fujifilm X-T3 evangelizing, a bit more to read: https://keithwee.com/portfolio/review-of-the-fujifilm-x-t3-refinements-towards-perfection-and-that-zero-black-out-30-fps/ -- Regards, Savageduck Begs the question as to why buy the X-H1? I would think that “raises the question” would be the appropriate phrase since “begs the question” is, as you have done, chronically misused. Having said that I was never tempted by the X-H1, but I am not big into video, and I can live without IBIS. However, those folks who insist on IBIS would be well served by the X-H1, or if they also want the features of the X-T3, they can wait for the X-H2. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Fujifilm X-T3 Announced
Tony Cooper wrote:
On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 21:29:08 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote: On Friday, 7 September 2018 23:42:07 UTC-4, Alfred Molon wrote: IBIS means that you can for instance walk in a dark forest and shoot handheld with the polariser filter on. The colours get more intense if you can keep the polariser filter on and waterfalls look cool at 0.5s or 1s exposure time - all doable handheld with IBIS. -- Alfred Molon Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at https://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/ https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site It's also changed the dynamics of the hobby. You don't see people using tripods as often and I can't remember seeing a monopod in some time. I take it, then, you have attended a live (American-style) football game in some time. There are photographers using monopods all along the sidelines. Canadian Rich would be more likely to find monopods on the side lines of hockey match. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Fujifilm X-T3 Announced
RJH wrote:
On 09/09/2018 04:08, RichA wrote: On Saturday, 8 September 2018 22:28:40 UTC-4, Savageduck wrote: Savageduck wrote: Savageduck wrote: RichA wrote: On Thursday, 6 September 2018 07:38:20 UTC-4, Savageduck wrote: Here is a new camera which delivers all it has promised, and survives without IBIS, or FF. The general opinion is, the X-T3 is a significant improvement over the X-T2. ...and if you want IBIS in a Fujifilm camera buy the X-H1, or wait for the X-H2. https://jonasraskphotography.com/2018/09/06/fujifilm-x-t3-review-next-generation-x/ https://ivanjoshualoh.com/2018/09/06/x-t3-fujifilm-finest/ https://www.macleanphotographic.com/fujifilm-xt3/ https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilm-x-t3-first-impressions-review?utm_source=self-desktop&utm_medium=marquee&utm_campaign=traffic_so urce https://youtu.be/A0Nr8qVdXDQ NO IBIS!!! SIN! Fact is, ISO advantages rapidly vanish without IBIS. So much so I've gotten better pictures with m4/3rds under adverse conditions than some have with APS FF cameras that lack IBIS. Great! However, depending on your subject, for example any action sport, or wildlife in motion, or BIF is not going to be helped by VR/IS/OIS, or IBIS as neither ILIS, nor IBIS is going to do anything to stop/freeze subject motion. What counts is technique, high speed, and inertial stability imparted via subject tracking. Now if you are shooting handheld interiors, handheld macro, handheld landscape, handheld portraits, or just find yourself trapped in low light situations (but not all) then IBIS, VR/IS/OIS is welcome. For my shooting I find that I survived without it for years of shooting film, and I am glad to have it when needed, but can live without it. Now, if most Fuji lenses are IS, and that's what you use, no issue. Currently most Fujinon lenses are not IS. Only one Fujinon prime has OIS, the 80mm. Not all of the Fujinon zooms have OIS there are several such as the XF16-50mm f/2.8 where it is notoriously absent, but it is still a great and popular lens. But it limits what you can do with non-IS lenses, adapted lenses. Though I don't think Fuji mirror-less users are as much into adapting non-Fuji lenses as m4/3rds and Sony users. Actually there is quite a large Fujifilm adapted lens community, mostly folks owning Leica, and Voigtlander glass for cameras which historically had no concept of IS, or IBIS. Some more on the X-T3. http://danbaileyphoto.com/blog/4th-generation-x-series-my-full-review-of-the-fujifilm-x-t3/?awt_l=53v8E&awt_m=3YTUy0ZsxymKiyM To add to my Fujifilm X-T3 evangelizing, a bit more to read: https://keithwee.com/portfolio/review-of-the-fujifilm-x-t3-refinements-towards-perfection-and-that-zero-black-out-30-fps/ I'd put decent money on an XT-3 pre-xmas present to yourself :-) Begs the question as to why buy the X-H1? IBIS? I'm a bit confused by the lack of it in the XT-3 - surely it doesn't add /that/ much bulk? It is not really needed, especially when shooting subjects in motion such as athletes, motorsport, moving wildlife, BIF. Anybody who wants what Fujifilm is selling and insists on IBIS there is the X-H1, or the future X-H2. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Fujifilm X-T3 Announced
On Sat, 08 Sep 2018 23:56:16 -0400, Tony Cooper
wrote: On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 21:29:08 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote: On Friday, 7 September 2018 23:42:07 UTC-4, Alfred Molon wrote: IBIS means that you can for instance walk in a dark forest and shoot handheld with the polariser filter on. The colours get more intense if you can keep the polariser filter on and waterfalls look cool at 0.5s or 1s exposure time - all doable handheld with IBIS. -- Alfred Molon Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at https://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/ https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site It's also changed the dynamics of the hobby. You don't see people using tripods as often and I can't remember seeing a monopod in some time. I take it, then, you have attended a live (American-style) football game in some time. There are photographers using monopods all along the sidelines. Usually on monster lenses. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Fujifilm X-T3 Announced
On 9/6/2018 9:20 PM, Savageduck wrote:
snip Great! However, depending on your subject, for example any action sport, or wildlife in motion, or BIF is not going to be helped by VR/IS/OIS, or IBIS as neither ILIS, nor IBIS is going to do anything to stop/freeze subject motion. What counts is technique, high speed, and inertial stability imparted via subject tracking. Now if you are shooting handheld interiors, handheld macro, handheld landscape, handheld portraits, or just find yourself trapped in low light situations (but not all) then IBIS, VR/IS/OIS is welcome. For my shooting I find that I survived without it for years of shooting film, and I am glad to have it when needed, but can live without it. Now, if most Fuji lenses are IS, and that's what you use, no issue. Currently most Fujinon lenses are not IS. Only one Fujinon prime has OIS, the 80mm. Not all of the Fujinon zooms have OIS there are several such as the XF16-50mm f/2.8 where it is notoriously absent, but it is still a great and popular lens. But it limits what you can do with non-IS lenses, adapted lenses. Though I don't think Fuji mirror-less users are as much into adapting non-Fuji lenses as m4/3rds and Sony users. Actually there is quite a large Fujifilm adapted lens community, mostly folks owning Leica, and Voigtlander glass for cameras which historically had no concept of IS, or IBIS. According to what I red the Nikon mirrorless has three way in body stabilization. I forgot were I read it, but one commentator, thought that you could bet of to five stops stabilization, with a stabilized FX lens. This doesn't sound right to me, But, Nikon will have the camera, I have both the patience and the money. I see no need to rush. I tariffs push prices too high, I am happy to wait. -- PeterN |
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Fujifilm X-T3 Announced
On 9/8/2018 11:58 PM, Bill W wrote:
On Sat, 08 Sep 2018 23:56:16 -0400, Tony Cooper wrote: On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 21:29:08 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote: On Friday, 7 September 2018 23:42:07 UTC-4, Alfred Molon wrote: IBIS means that you can for instance walk in a dark forest and shoot handheld with the polariser filter on. The colours get more intense if you can keep the polariser filter on and waterfalls look cool at 0.5s or 1s exposure time - all doable handheld with IBIS. -- Alfred Molon Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at https://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/ https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site It's also changed the dynamics of the hobby. You don't see people using tripods as often and I can't remember seeing a monopod in some time. I take it, then, you have attended a live (American-style) football game in some time. There are photographers using monopods all along the sidelines. I think that would be as much because of the weight of the lenses, right? Thee also work very well as a walking stick, -- PeterN |
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Fujifilm X-T3 Announced
On Sep 18, 2018, PeterN wrote
(in article ): On 9/6/2018 9:20 PM, Savageduck wrote: snip Great! However, depending on your subject, for example any action sport, or wildlife in motion, or BIF is not going to be helped by VR/IS/OIS, or IBIS as neither ILIS, nor IBIS is going to do anything to stop/freeze subject motion. What counts is technique, high speed, and inertial stability imparted via subject tracking. Now if you are shooting handheld interiors, handheld macro, handheld landscape, handheld portraits, or just find yourself trapped in low light situations (but not all) then IBIS, VR/IS/OIS is welcome. For my shooting I find that I survived without it for years of shooting film, and I am glad to have it when needed, but can live without it. Now, if most Fuji lenses are IS, and that's what you use, no issue. Currently most Fujinon lenses are not IS. Only one Fujinon prime has OIS, the 80mm. Not all of the Fujinon zooms have OIS there are several such as the XF16-50mm f/2.8 where it is notoriously absent, but it is still a great and popular lens. But it limits what you can do with non-IS lenses, adapted lenses. Though I don't think Fuji mirror-less users are as much into adapting non-Fuji lenses as m4/3rds and Sony users. Actually there is quite a large Fujifilm adapted lens community, mostly folks owning Leica, and Voigtlander glass for cameras which historically had no concept of IS, or IBIS. According to what I red the Nikon mirrorless has three way in body stabilization. I forgot were I read it, but one commentator, thought that you could bet of to five stops stabilization, with a stabilized FX lens. This doesn't sound right to me, But, Nikon will have the camera, I have both the patience and the money. I see no need to rush. I tariffs push prices too high, I am happy to wait. With most stabilization systems having both IBIS, and a stabilized lens does not increase total stabilization. What I have read about the new Nikon MILC system is, the IBIS is expected to provide approximately 3 stops depending on light conditions, and camera exposure settings. None of the new native ’S’ lenses are stabilized, and using legacy VR glass with the adaptor will only use the in-lens VR as IBIS is disabled. So there is no added advantage when using old VR lenses. ....and if you are using a tripod, or gimbal when it comes to IBIS, or VR/IS/OIS all bets are off. |
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Fujifilm X-T3 Announced
On Sep 18, 2018, PeterN wrote
(in article ): On 9/8/2018 11:58 PM, Bill W wrote: On Sat, 08 Sep 2018 23:56:16 -0400, Tony Cooper wrote: On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 21:29:08 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote: On Friday, 7 September 2018 23:42:07 UTC-4, Alfred Molon wrote: IBIS means that you can for instance walk in a dark forest and shoot handheld with the polariser filter on. The colours get more intense if you can keep the polariser filter on and waterfalls look cool at 0.5s or 1s exposure time - all doable handheld with IBIS. -- Alfred Molon Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at https://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/ https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site It's also changed the dynamics of the hobby. You don't see people using tripods as often and I can't remember seeing a monopod in some time. I take it, then, you have attended a live (American-style) football game in some time. There are photographers using monopods all along the sidelines. I think that would be as much because of the weight of the lenses, right? Thee also work very well as a walking stick, ....and now there is the LumaPod. As to how effective it is, we will have to wait for reviews. Note; this is a kickstarter project so if you are risk averse... https://www.dpreview.com/news/497168...ompact-tripod- that-uses-tension-to-keep-your-shots-steady |
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