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"Laurence Payne" lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:06:45 -0800, "William Graham"
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checkpoints where all the drivers are checked for
alcohol possession, or blood level are still frequently thrown out by the
courts.....Like most unconstitutional things, they do them anyway, and
make
the injured party fight it to a high enough court before he wins..

Here in the UK, it is (or maybe was) considered unacceptable for
police to check drivers leaving a pub car park unless they were
visibly committing an offence. You don't need a constitution in order
to make silly rules.

Yes.....About 20 years ago, my son left a beer hall about 10 blocks from
where he lived, and decided to walk, because he was too tipsy to drive....So
the local police who were watching the parking lot in order to bust some
drunk driver, in their infinite wisdom, busted him for "drunk walking".

On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:59:39 -0800, "William Graham"
wrote:

Yes.....About 20 years ago, my son left a beer hall about 10 blocks from
where he lived, and decided to walk, because he was too tipsy to drive....So
the local police who were watching the parking lot in order to bust some
drunk driver, in their infinite wisdom, busted him for "drunk walking".

What did he get?

Is this like the "jaywalking" offence? Here, we have the freedom to
walk into traffic at will. Luckily we have socialised medical care
too :-) (Just. Well, it's excellent for things like road accidents.)

"Laurence Payne" lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:59:39 -0800, "William Graham"
wrote:

Yes.....About 20 years ago, my son left a beer hall about 10 blocks from
where he lived, and decided to walk, because he was too tipsy to
drive....So
the local police who were watching the parking lot in order to bust some
drunk driver, in their infinite wisdom, busted him for "drunk walking".

What did he get?

I forget now exactly, but it was a fine ......It's all really about
money.........

Is this like the "jaywalking" offence? Here, we have the freedom to
walk into traffic at will. Luckily we have socialised medical care
too :-) (Just. Well, it's excellent for things like road accidents.)

It varies here....They will be lax about it for several years, and then they
will have a "crackdown" where they give out lots of jaywalking
tickets.....then the fervor will die off, and they will become lax
again.......
They do much the same thing with seatbelts.....

William Graham wrote:
"Ron Hunter" wrote in message
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LUDICROUS! One can STILL walk, ride a horse, ride a bicycle,
wheelchair, lawnmower, or crawl on his belly, to another state. None of
these will likely motivate a search.
Please cite a case where a DL was declared unconstitutional by a US court.

I can cite several of them, but should send them to you as a pdf file
attachment.......Is your email able to accept such things? - I will try, in
any case.....


thanks. As I replied to your email. The cases were of courts in
California, which as most people understand, has little bearing on
anything in the real world.

William Graham wrote:
"Laurence Payne" lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:06:45 -0800, "William Graham"
wrote:

checkpoints where all the drivers are checked for
alcohol possession, or blood level are still frequently thrown out by the
courts.....Like most unconstitutional things, they do them anyway, and
make
the injured party fight it to a high enough court before he wins..
Here in the UK, it is (or maybe was) considered unacceptable for
police to check drivers leaving a pub car park unless they were
visibly committing an offence. You don't need a constitution in order
to make silly rules.

Yes.....About 20 years ago, my son left a beer hall about 10 blocks from
where he lived, and decided to walk, because he was too tipsy to drive....So
the local police who were watching the parking lot in order to bust some
drunk driver, in their infinite wisdom, busted him for "drunk walking".


Drunk walking? I think we call it 'public intoxication' around these
parts. Should one be so unstable as to not be able to stay on the
sidewalk, it could lead to an unfortunate experience, and a visit to the
'drunk tank'.

Laurence Payne wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:59:39 -0800, "William Graham"
wrote:

Yes.....About 20 years ago, my son left a beer hall about 10 blocks from
where he lived, and decided to walk, because he was too tipsy to drive....So
the local police who were watching the parking lot in order to bust some
drunk driver, in their infinite wisdom, busted him for "drunk walking".

What did he get?

Is this like the "jaywalking" offence? Here, we have the freedom to
walk into traffic at will. Luckily we have socialised medical care
too :-) (Just. Well, it's excellent for things like road accidents.)

People often exercise that freedom here too. It keeps the mortuaries in
business..

William Graham wrote:
"Alan Browne" wrote in message
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William Graham wrote:

Makes a libertarian like me want to set up one of your stills and work it
24/7 even if I just flushed its output down the toilet.....(which I would
probably have to do, since I can't drink the stuff.....It interferes with
a couple of my diabetes medications.)
I believe I've sent you this link before Bill:
http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/

The drawings and build instructions were about $30.

You will need and ATF licence but that doesn't cost much and in the US
they assume that if you get a licence for a stated purpose (fuel) that
that's what it's for. Here in Canada you are assumed to be evilly making
moonshine.

Cheers,
Alan

Thanks for the link.....I use ethanol to clean my trumpets with. (I can use
propanol, but the smell of it makes me sick) Down in California, I couldn't
buy ethanol in a drug store, so I bought some from a supplier in the bay
area....It was $40 a gallon, and 1/2 of that was the federal taxes......I
had to buy 4 gallons minimum, so I found 3 guys who wanted to go in with me,
and we each bought a gallon.....Of course, a gallon of ethanol is enough to
clean a trumpet for life, so I still have over 1/2 gallon left over, and
that was about 20 years ago. Now, I notice that I can buy a pint of 70%
ethanol from our local Rite Aid Drug store here in Salem, Oregon.......


Bet it doesn't cost anything like that $40 a gallon, either. But I
wonder what the other 30% is....

William Graham wrote:
"Alan Browne" wrote in message
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William Graham wrote:
"Michael" wrote in message
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"Alan Browne" wrote in message
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(Note: to make "E85" you need near 100% Ethanol (or rather 0% water in
the ethanol). As much water as possible needs to be removed. Dewatering
the ethanol requires Zeolite or similar materials. Having a
"denaturing" agent (gasoline) in the ethanol will ruin the zeolite.)

I have a set of drawings to make a high efficiency still ... will yield
about 85% ethanol.

Cheers,
Alan

How many gallons can your still make over a 16 hour period, Alan?
http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/

Will tell you. A few batches on a given day will keep you running for a
couple weeks. You will need a flex-fuel car (E85) and don't forget to add
the gasoline to the mix (15% (by volume I believe)).

At this scale it is a batch process. If you do it right you use waste
heat from batch 1 to pre-heat batch 2 (post fermented batches), and waste
heat from batch 2 to pre-heat batch 3 and so on. A 40 gallon "batch" of
fermented mash will take about 1 - 2 hours to process and produce about
4 - 5 gallons of ethanol. YMMV as it depends on what the mash source is
and how well it fermented. The "waste" mash can be fed to pigs or cattle;
possibly used as a fertilizer.

As a feedstock for the mash find local breweries/wineries and take away
their "leavings" and bad batches of beer/wine. This will need little or
no fermenting.

Farmers molasses (that hasn't had the sugar removed)
Rotten, spoiled, wasted fruit and "sweet" veggies (local markets,
restaurants, etc.)
(Corn, carrots, and other high sugar veggies).
You'll need yeasts to start the fermenting too...

Cheers,
Alan

Reminds me of a story my dad told me....He said there was a distillery in
his home town of Bristol, Tennessee when he was a kid. (Back around 1900)
Every afternoon, they would open up the big valve, and let the used sour
mash flow out to the trough for the pigs they kept behind their place. My
dad would go down and sit on the fence and watch.....He said that for the
first ten minutes or so, not one drop of the mash would make it to the
trough....the pigs would be jammed up against the end of the pipe, drinking
so fast that the trough would remain dry....Then, after about 10 minutes, a
small trickle would get to the trough for the pigs that were waiting
there......It was the best show in town.........


Sounds like Friday afternoon at the local pub....

William Graham wrote:
"Ken Lucke" wrote in message
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In article .com,
sgtdisturbed wrote:

Ken Lucke wrote:
In article , acl
wrote:

jeremy wrote:
mechanical build quality had deteriorated noticably. Just like new
cars.
Better fuel economy and more amenities, at the expense of less
sheet
metal
and smaller overall size.
So, basically, you prefer cars with lots of sheet metal and large
size?

Damn straight _I_ do. Sheet metal, true internal structure (not just
some flimsy suppoorts for the outer skin), and large size. I'd take
high strength composite fiber/plastics (NOT fiberglass!) if they ever
start making cars with them (oops, sorry, that was an inadvertent cue
for RichA to enter the thread with his obsession), but until then, I
want METAL around me. The more the better.

Ever seen a serious wreck? Ever been in one?

From 1979 to 1996, I worked as a professional, full time paramedic (in
Portland, OR and other places), and the last 6 years was also a
firefighter. I've _seen_ (and sometimes had to scrape up) the
difference in outcomes.

Sorry, but to hell with fuel economy... with the millions of people on
the road in this country who merely know "how to operate a motor
vehicle" as opposed to actually knowing how to _drive_ their vehicles
(and there is a HUGE difference between those two skillsets), I want a
tank around me, if possible. Again, damn straight I prefer a vehicle
with some substance to it rather than today's tin cans that a wrinkle
in the sheet metal causes major loss of body integrity and strength
(literally).

Aren't the lighter bodies designed to use crumple zones to reduce the
forces of impact upon the passengers by
absorbing the impact as opposed to the driver feeling 100% of the
impact (which would result in a higher percentage of injury) while
using a firm, non-flexible body on their car? Newer cars seem to have
better crash test ratings than older, not-so flexible cars.

Ever had to extract a patient from one vs. the other? And then had to
treat said patient?

I thought not.

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Yeah, but the heavier the vehicle the safer, and so everyone goes for the
heaviest they can get and/or afford....Soon the streets are full of tanks
that weigh 10,000 pounds each, with their occupants glaring out or their
little armored windows at each other.....Wouldn't it be better if they all
went for the lightest vehicle they could find? - Then we wouldn't be paying
to haul all that scrap iron around with us all the time......I guess the
only way to reach that level of sophistication is for the price of the fuel
to go through the roof, so nobody can afford to drive the tank.......


Some still will. Note the vehicle in which the football player was
killed. Longer than a city bus and didn't keep him safe.

Ron Hunter wrote:
William Graham wrote:
"Alan Browne" wrote in message
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William Graham wrote:

Makes a libertarian like me want to set up one of your stills and work it
24/7 even if I just flushed its output down the toilet.....(which I would
probably have to do, since I can't drink the stuff.....It interferes with
a couple of my diabetes medications.)
I believe I've sent you this link before Bill:
http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/

The drawings and build instructions were about $30.

You will need and ATF licence but that doesn't cost much and in the US
they assume that if you get a licence for a stated purpose (fuel) that
that's what it's for. Here in Canada you are assumed to be evilly making
moonshine.

Cheers,
Alan

Thanks for the link.....I use ethanol to clean my trumpets with. (I can use
propanol, but the smell of it makes me sick) Down in California, I couldn't
buy ethanol in a drug store, so I bought some from a supplier in the bay
area....It was $40 a gallon, and 1/2 of that was the federal taxes......I
had to buy 4 gallons minimum, so I found 3 guys who wanted to go in with me,
and we each bought a gallon.....Of course, a gallon of ethanol is enough to
clean a trumpet for life, so I still have over 1/2 gallon left over, and
that was about 20 years ago. Now, I notice that I can buy a pint of 70%
ethanol from our local Rite Aid Drug store here in Salem, Oregon.......


Bet it doesn't cost anything like that $40 a gallon, either. But I
wonder what the other 30% is....

Just so you know, it's water. Water and ethanol form what's known as an
"azeotrope" when the mash (no matter what kind--grain, cornstalks,
whatever) is distilled. To make absolute ethanol (100% ethanol, _NOT_
the same as Absolut vodka), other processes not involving distillation
are used to remove the water.

--
Pat O'Connell
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