Canon (especially) and Nikon are a bit boring these days

On 2011-02-13 18:15:41 -0800, RichA said:

DSLR's, DSLR's, DSLR's. Look, that magazine is reviewing the new
Canon 60D. Yawn. Much like the last DSLR, much like all of them.
Black bodies, virtually indistinguishable, modelled after the same
camera bodies we've had since the 1960's. No one will deny DSLR's
still dominate the pro ranks and clean-up when it comes to the
pinnacle of photo excellence but there comes a time when you have to
ask, "Is a camera using a 50 year-old design model the best they can
do?" Is there a reason mirrorless has caught on (at least in Asia and
Europe at least) so well? Given the performance of the Panasonic GH2
when it comes to focusing speed and quality of the Olympus add-on EVF,
would anyone really be upset if Nikon released a mirrorless, compact
FF? I don't think so. It would fly of the shelves. Something the
size of a Leica M9 coupled to a Nikon 24mm f1.4 lens with the D3s
sensor. Just imagine that.

Damn it Rich!
What is going to make you happy?
Bumper-bullets, tail fins, & a candy apple paint job?

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2/13/2011 8:23 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2011-02-13 18:15:41 -0800, RichA said:

DSLR's, DSLR's, DSLR's. Look, that magazine is reviewing the new
Canon 60D. Yawn. Much like the last DSLR, much like all of them.
Black bodies, virtually indistinguishable, modelled after the same
camera bodies we've had since the 1960's. No one will deny DSLR's
still dominate the pro ranks and clean-up when it comes to the
pinnacle of photo excellence but there comes a time when you have to
ask, "Is a camera using a 50 year-old design model the best they can
do?" Is there a reason mirrorless has caught on (at least in Asia and
Europe at least) so well? Given the performance of the Panasonic GH2
when it comes to focusing speed and quality of the Olympus add-on EVF,
would anyone really be upset if Nikon released a mirrorless, compact
FF? I don't think so. It would fly of the shelves. Something the
size of a Leica M9 coupled to a Nikon 24mm f1.4 lens with the D3s
sensor. Just imagine that.

Damn it Rich!
What is going to make you happy?
Bumper-bullets, tail fins, & a candy apple paint job?

Mr. Duck, Rich is one of those not-too-common people who can be happy
only by being unhappy.
Allen

On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:29:35 -0800 (PST), Rich wrote:
: On Feb 13, 9:23*pm, Savageduck wrote:
: On 2011-02-13 18:15:41 -0800, RichA said:
:
: DSLR's, DSLR's, DSLR's. *Look, that magazine is reviewing the new
: Canon 60D. *Yawn. *Much like the last DSLR, much like all of them.
: Black bodies, virtually indistinguishable, modelled after the same
: camera bodies we've had since the 1960's. *No one will deny DSLR's
: still dominate the pro ranks and clean-up when it comes to the
: pinnacle of photo excellence but there comes a time when you have to
: ask, "Is a camera using a 50 year-old design model the best they can
: do?" *Is there a reason mirrorless has caught on (at least in Asia and
: Europe at least) so well? *Given the performance of the Panasonic GH2
: when it comes to focusing speed and quality of the Olympus add-on EVF,
: would anyone really be upset if Nikon released a mirrorless, compact
: FF? *I don't think so. *It would fly of the shelves. *Something the
: size of a Leica M9 coupled to a Nikon 24mm f1.4 lens with the D3s
: sensor. *Just imagine that.
:
: Damn it Rich!
: What is going to make you happy?
: Bumper-bullets, tail fins, & a candy apple paint job?
:
:
: No. The 1950's (oddly enough, a time when the current SLR shape came
: into being in a big way) autos were plagued by a manufacturing process
: incapable of making sharp corners except at cut and welded edges. I
: HATE rounded cars. That's what the Japanese build. Everything soft-
: looking, identical looking. Give me a mid-1970s Ford or Lincoln with
: their squared-off lines, or a Cadillac CTS-V today. No fins, no
: bumper bullets, no prism housing. As for paint jobs, when was the
: last time you saw any of the zombies who buy cars today without a grey/
: silver car? Pass the Soma...

You're hitting a bit close to home there, Buddy. I happen to be on my sixth
silver or gray car. It's a Kia, but the first two were a Porsche and a Dodge
Super Bee. I may be a zombie now, but it was not always so.

Bob

On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:34:22 -0500, Robert Coe wrote:

On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:29:35 -0800 (PST), Rich wrote:
: On Feb 13, 9:23*pm, Savageduck wrote:
: On 2011-02-13 18:15:41 -0800, RichA said:
:
: DSLR's, DSLR's, DSLR's. *Look, that magazine is reviewing the new
: Canon 60D. *Yawn. *Much like the last DSLR, much like all of them.
: Black bodies, virtually indistinguishable, modelled after the same
: camera bodies we've had since the 1960's. *No one will deny DSLR's
: still dominate the pro ranks and clean-up when it comes to the
: pinnacle of photo excellence but there comes a time when you have to
: ask, "Is a camera using a 50 year-old design model the best they can
: do?" *Is there a reason mirrorless has caught on (at least in Asia and
: Europe at least) so well? *Given the performance of the Panasonic GH2
: when it comes to focusing speed and quality of the Olympus add-on EVF,
: would anyone really be upset if Nikon released a mirrorless, compact
: FF? *I don't think so. *It would fly of the shelves. *Something the
: size of a Leica M9 coupled to a Nikon 24mm f1.4 lens with the D3s
: sensor. *Just imagine that.
:
: Damn it Rich!
: What is going to make you happy?
: Bumper-bullets, tail fins, & a candy apple paint job?
:
:
: No. The 1950's (oddly enough, a time when the current SLR shape came
: into being in a big way) autos were plagued by a manufacturing process
: incapable of making sharp corners except at cut and welded edges. I
: HATE rounded cars. That's what the Japanese build. Everything soft-
: looking, identical looking. Give me a mid-1970s Ford or Lincoln with
: their squared-off lines, or a Cadillac CTS-V today. No fins, no
: bumper bullets, no prism housing. As for paint jobs, when was the
: last time you saw any of the zombies who buy cars today without a grey/
: silver car? Pass the Soma...

You're hitting a bit close to home there, Buddy. I happen to be on my sixth
silver or gray car. It's a Kia, but the first two were a Porsche and a Dodge
Super Bee. I may be a zombie now, but it was not always so.

I have a silver car and a goldish-colored car. I didn't go looking
for either color. They were the colors of cars available on the
dealer's lot in the model and with the accessories that I wanted. I
bought them from the inside out.

They replaced a dark red car and a grape colored car. Again, the
models available on the dealer's lot.

As for the body style - curves or boxy - that is as unimportant to me
as the hubcap design. More important to me is ease of entry and exit,
visibility of traffic around me, seat comfort and adjustability, fuel
economy, leg room, cup holders, power points, and - of course - price.

I care about the inside, not what other drivers see.






--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

On 2011-02-13 19:34:22 -0800, Robert Coe said:

On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:29:35 -0800 (PST), Rich wrote:
: On Feb 13, 9:23*pm, Savageduck wrote:
: On 2011-02-13 18:15:41 -0800, RichA said:
:
: DSLR's, DSLR's, DSLR's. *Look, that magazine is reviewing the new
: Canon 60D. *Yawn. *Much like the last DSLR, much like all of them.
: Black bodies, virtually indistinguishable, modelled after the same
: camera bodies we've had since the 1960's. *No one will deny DSLR's
: still dominate the pro ranks and clean-up when it comes to the
: pinnacle of photo excellence but there comes a time when you have to
: ask, "Is a camera using a 50 year-old design model the best they can
: do?" *Is there a reason mirrorless has caught on (at least in Asia and
: Europe at least) so well? *Given the performance of the Panasonic GH2
: when it comes to focusing speed and quality of the Olympus add-on EVF,
: would anyone really be upset if Nikon released a mirrorless, compact
: FF? *I don't think so. *It would fly of the shelves. *Something the
: size of a Leica M9 coupled to a Nikon 24mm f1.4 lens with the D3s
: sensor. *Just imagine that.
:
: Damn it Rich!
: What is going to make you happy?
: Bumper-bullets, tail fins, & a candy apple paint job?
:
:
: No. The 1950's (oddly enough, a time when the current SLR shape came
: into being in a big way) autos were plagued by a manufacturing process
: incapable of making sharp corners except at cut and welded edges. I
: HATE rounded cars. That's what the Japanese build. Everything soft-
: looking, identical looking. Give me a mid-1970s Ford or Lincoln with
: their squared-off lines, or a Cadillac CTS-V today. No fins, no
: bumper bullets, no prism housing. As for paint jobs, when was the
: last time you saw any of the zombies who buy cars today without a grey/
: silver car? Pass the Soma...

You're hitting a bit close to home there, Buddy. I happen to be on my sixth
silver or gray car. It's a Kia, but the first two were a Porsche and a Dodge
Super Bee. I may be a zombie now, but it was not always so.

Bob

Let's see, these are mostly mine (M)and some my wife's (noted with a "W"):
'63 Chevy Impala 230 I6 w/3 speed manual (M)- deep maroon
'64 Buick Wildcat 445 (M)- black & white
'68 VW 1500 (M)- dark green
'72 Subaru (M)- blue
'74 Datsun 240 (M)- green
'75 BMW 520 (M)- white
'80 VW Golf GTI (W) - white
'75 used Olds Cutlass (Aaagh! the worst car I have ever owned!) (M)- green
'86 Subaru (M/W)- white
'89 Ford Probe GT (M)- white
'95 Ford Contour LX (M/W)- sort of metallic tan, they called it "champagne"
2003 Ford Escape (W currently used by my step-daughter from Hell) -
similar metallic tan
'87 Mercedes 560 SEL (M)- dark blue
'96 Mercedes S600 (M)- black
2005 Chrysler Pacifica (W/M) - metallic silver (engine blown, such
promise, big disappointment)
2008 Mercedes E350 (M)- brownish-toned metallic grey

For work, a variety of Chevy Caprice LE cruisers & Ford Crown Victoria
police interceptors. Various colors, mostly white.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:29:35 -0800 (PST), Rich
wrote:

On Feb 13, 9:23*pm, Savageduck wrote:
On 2011-02-13 18:15:41 -0800, RichA said:

DSLR's, DSLR's, DSLR's. *Look, that magazine is reviewing the new
Canon 60D. *Yawn. *Much like the last DSLR, much like all of them.
Black bodies, virtually indistinguishable, modelled after the same
camera bodies we've had since the 1960's. *No one will deny DSLR's
still dominate the pro ranks and clean-up when it comes to the
pinnacle of photo excellence but there comes a time when you have to
ask, "Is a camera using a 50 year-old design model the best they can
do?" *Is there a reason mirrorless has caught on (at least in Asia and
Europe at least) so well? *Given the performance of the Panasonic GH2
when it comes to focusing speed and quality of the Olympus add-on EVF,
would anyone really be upset if Nikon released a mirrorless, compact
FF? *I don't think so. *It would fly of the shelves. *Something the
size of a Leica M9 coupled to a Nikon 24mm f1.4 lens with the D3s
sensor. *Just imagine that.

Damn it Rich!
What is going to make you happy?
Bumper-bullets, tail fins, & a candy apple paint job?


No. The 1950's (oddly enough, a time when the current SLR shape came
into being in a big way) autos were plagued by a manufacturing process
incapable of making sharp corners except at cut and welded edges. I
HATE rounded cars. That's what the Japanese build. Everything soft-
looking, identical looking. Give me a mid-1970s Ford or Lincoln with
their squared-off lines, or a Cadillac CTS-V today. No fins, no
bumper bullets, no prism housing. As for paint jobs, when was the
last time you saw any of the zombies who buy cars today without a grey/
silver car? Pass the Soma...


Hmm, my gray car is green, I wonder what that means.

Allen wrote in
:

On 2/13/2011 8:23 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2011-02-13 18:15:41 -0800, RichA said:

DSLR's, DSLR's, DSLR's. Look, that magazine is reviewing the new
Canon 60D. Yawn. Much like the last DSLR, much like all of them.
Black bodies, virtually indistinguishable, modelled after the same
camera bodies we've had since the 1960's. No one will deny DSLR's
still dominate the pro ranks and clean-up when it comes to the
pinnacle of photo excellence but there comes a time when you have to
ask, "Is a camera using a 50 year-old design model the best they can
do?" Is there a reason mirrorless has caught on (at least in Asia and
Europe at least) so well? Given the performance of the Panasonic GH2
when it comes to focusing speed and quality of the Olympus add-on EVF,
would anyone really be upset if Nikon released a mirrorless, compact
FF? I don't think so. It would fly of the shelves. Something the
size of a Leica M9 coupled to a Nikon 24mm f1.4 lens with the D3s
sensor. Just imagine that.

Damn it Rich!
What is going to make you happy?
Bumper-bullets, tail fins, & a candy apple paint job?

Mr. Duck, Rich is one of those not-too-common people who can be happy
only by being unhappy.
Allen

Bu bu bu but I'm still UNHAPPY about the LOUSY DYNAMIC RANGE, DAGNABBIT!

(Ok, so I'm still in denial about a monitor that can faithfully reproduce
the brightness of the sun- AND - the inky depths of a mineshaft)
Our eyes are still much better at perceiving.




--
__
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To email me, you know what to do.

Supernews, if you get a complaint from a Jamie Baillie, please see:
http://www.canadianisp.ca/jamie_baillie.html

On 2/13/11 8:29 PM, in article
, "Rich"
wrote:

On Feb 13, 9:23*pm, Savageduck wrote:
On 2011-02-13 18:15:41 -0800, RichA said:

DSLR's, DSLR's, DSLR's. *Look, that magazine is reviewing the new
Canon 60D. *Yawn. *Much like the last DSLR, much like all of them.
Black bodies, virtually indistinguishable, modelled after the same
camera bodies we've had since the 1960's. *No one will deny DSLR's
still dominate the pro ranks and clean-up when it comes to the
pinnacle of photo excellence but there comes a time when you have to
ask, "Is a camera using a 50 year-old design model the best they can
do?" *Is there a reason mirrorless has caught on (at least in Asia and
Europe at least) so well? *Given the performance of the Panasonic GH2
when it comes to focusing speed and quality of the Olympus add-on EVF,
would anyone really be upset if Nikon released a mirrorless, compact
FF? *I don't think so. *It would fly of the shelves. *Something the
size of a Leica M9 coupled to a Nikon 24mm f1.4 lens with the D3s
sensor. *Just imagine that.

Damn it Rich!
What is going to make you happy?
Bumper-bullets, tail fins, & a candy apple paint job?


No. The 1950's (oddly enough, a time when the current SLR shape came
into being in a big way) autos were plagued by a manufacturing process
incapable of making sharp corners except at cut and welded edges. I
HATE rounded cars. That's what the Japanese build. Everything soft-
looking, identical looking. Give me a mid-1970s Ford or Lincoln with
their squared-off lines, or a Cadillac CTS-V today. No fins, no
bumper bullets, no prism housing. As for paint jobs, when was the
last time you saw any of the zombies who buy cars today without a grey/
silver car? Pass the Soma...

Did your mother deny you a tit or what?

Puppies. You like cute little puppies, maybe?

"Robert Coe" wrote:

You're hitting a bit close to home there, Buddy. I happen to be on my
sixth
silver or gray car. It's a Kia, but the first two were a Porsche and a
Dodge
Super Bee.

My wife and I own two cars. One of them is an all-wheel drive,
silver compact station wagon that looks like a zombiemobile to the
casual observer. If they get close enough, they might wonder about
the stick shift, though.

Yes, we could have bought it in fly yellow or a brilliant blue. But
the fact that the car can do 0-60 in 6.0 seconds, comfortably cruise
at 130+ mph, and pull 0.85 g's on a skidpad is not something we need to
advertise with "visual excitement" or bright paint schemes. We know
that performance is there, and both have taken advanced driving courses
(including track time) to know how to use it. That's enough.

--
Mike Benveniste -- (Clarification Required)
Its name is Public opinion. It is held in reverence. It settles
everything. Some think it is the voice of God. -- Mark Twain

On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 11:25:01 -0500, "Michael Benveniste"
wrote:

"Robert Coe" wrote:

You're hitting a bit close to home there, Buddy. I happen to be on my
sixth
silver or gray car. It's a Kia, but the first two were a Porsche and a
Dodge
Super Bee.

My wife and I own two cars. One of them is an all-wheel drive,
silver compact station wagon that looks like a zombiemobile to the
casual observer. If they get close enough, they might wonder about
the stick shift, though.

Yes, we could have bought it in fly yellow or a brilliant blue. But
the fact that the car can do 0-60 in 6.0 seconds, comfortably cruise
at 130+ mph,

Where, in the US, could you utilize this feature? Boston roundabouts
are the only place I've ever seen a car going anything approaching
that speed.

The zero-to-60 claim would be useful to escape carjackers, but it's
much easier to avoid areas where carjackers lurk. I suppose it would
be useful when accelerating from a green light to change lanes, but
given that several cars from the other direction will be going through
their yellow, and even red, it's not something I'd try.





--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida