Neopan400 in Rodinal 1:100?

Hi,
Has anyone tried this combination? I'm looking for nice tonality, don't care
much about the grain.
Ifordpan400 was very nice in R09 1:100, I hope Neopan will be better;-)

Blazej

"Kokon" wrote in message ...
Hi,
Has anyone tried this combination? I'm looking for nice tonality, don't care
much about the grain.
Ifordpan400 was very nice in R09 1:100, I hope Neopan will be better;-)

Blazej

I cannot recommend Rodinal and most fast films. Paterson Acutol is
MUCH better, and I use it on Neopan 400 all the time. Dilute 1+14,
develop for 8 minutes @ 20C/68F.

Forget Rodinal. It is an old, old product. Not recommended for modern
films at all.

Why don't you shut up and let them ask the question.

The Massive development chart says rated at 200 ISO
the time for 1+100 is 15 minutes 68F....it beats the hell
out of listening to your whining.



http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.html



In article ,
(Michael Scarpitti) wrote:

I cannot recommend Rodinal and most fast films. Paterson Acutol is
MUCH better, and I use it on Neopan 400 all the time. Dilute 1+14,
develop for 8 minutes @ 20C/68F.

Forget Rodinal. It is an old, old product. Not recommended for modern
films at all.

A Concerned Contributer wrote:
Why don't you shut up and let them ask the question.

The Massive development chart says rated at 200 ISO
the time for 1+100 is 15 minutes 68F....it beats the hell
out of listening to your whining.
http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.html

Thx, I know the times, I'm rather interested in users' impressions:-) From
my experiences, Ilfordpan400 developed in R09 has comparable grain size to
Neopan400 in Microphen 1:1, but the tones and grain pattern are much better.
It is also sharper. I also liked TMY in D-23, but now I have some Neopans to
shoot;-)


In article ,
(Michael Scarpitti) wrote:

I cannot recommend Rodinal and most fast films. Paterson Acutol is
MUCH better, and I use it on Neopan 400 all the time. Dilute 1+14,
develop for 8 minutes @ 20C/68F.

Forget Rodinal. It is an old, old product. Not recommended for modern
films at all.

Yeah, I know;-)

Blazej

"Kokon" wrote in message ...
A Concerned Contributer wrote:
Why don't you shut up and let them ask the question.

The Massive development chart says rated at 200 ISO
the time for 1+100 is 15 minutes 68F....it beats the hell
out of listening to your whining.
http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.html

Thx, I know the times, I'm rather interested in users' impressions:-) From
my experiences, Ilfordpan400 developed in R09 has comparable grain size to
Neopan400 in Microphen 1:1, but the tones and grain pattern are much better.
It is also sharper. I also liked TMY in D-23, but now I have some Neopans to
shoot;-)


In article ,
(Michael Scarpitti) wrote:

I cannot recommend Rodinal and most fast films. Paterson Acutol is
MUCH better, and I use it on Neopan 400 all the time. Dilute 1+14,
develop for 8 minutes @ 20C/68F.

Forget Rodinal. It is an old, old product. Not recommended for modern
films at all.

Yeah, I know;-)

Blazej



Rodinal has a rather high alkalinity and therefore causes considerable
graininess. Its developing agent is not particulary efficient either,
which means there is some speed loss compared to other products.

Acutol and Neopan 400 are just fabulous together!

So some say about Sigfried and Roy but that doesn't mean I want spend
the night in my car with them.


In article ,
(Michael Scarpitti) wrote:

Rodinal has a rather high alkalinity and therefore causes considerable
graininess. Its developing agent is not particulary efficient either,
which means there is some speed loss compared to other products.

Acutol and Neopan 400 are just fabulous together!
--
?
?
?
?
LOL

So some say about Sigfried and Roy but that doesn't mean I want spend
the night in my car with them.


In article ,
(Michael Scarpitti) wrote:

Rodinal has a rather high alkalinity and therefore causes considerable
graininess. Its developing agent is not particulary efficient either,
which means there is some speed loss compared to other products.

Acutol and Neopan 400 are just fabulous together!
--
?
?
?
?
LOL

"Kokon" wrote in message ...
A Concerned Contributer wrote:
Why don't you shut up and let them ask the question.

The Massive development chart says rated at 200 ISO
the time for 1+100 is 15 minutes 68F....it beats the hell
out of listening to your whining.
http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.html

Thx, I know the times, I'm rather interested in users' impressions:-) From
my experiences, Ilfordpan400 developed in R09 has comparable grain size to
Neopan400 in Microphen 1:1, but the tones and grain pattern are much better.
It is also sharper. I also liked TMY in D-23, but now I have some Neopans to
shoot;-)


In article ,
(Michael Scarpitti) wrote:

I cannot recommend Rodinal and most fast films. Paterson Acutol is
MUCH better, and I use it on Neopan 400 all the time. Dilute 1+14,
develop for 8 minutes @ 20C/68F.

Forget Rodinal. It is an old, old product. Not recommended for modern
films at all.

Yeah, I know;-)

Blazej



Rodinal has a rather high alkalinity and therefore causes considerable
graininess. Its developing agent is not particulary efficient either,
which means there is some speed loss compared to other products.

Acutol and Neopan 400 are just fabulous together!

Kokon wrote:

A Concerned Contributer wrote:

Why don't you shut up and let them ask the question.

The Massive development chart says rated at 200 ISO
the time for 1+100 is 15 minutes 68F....it beats the hell
out of listening to your whining.
http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.html


Thx, I know the times, I'm rather interested in users' impressions:-) From
my experiences, Ilfordpan400 developed in R09 has comparable grain size to
Neopan400 in Microphen 1:1, but the tones and grain pattern are much better.
It is also sharper. I also liked TMY in D-23, but now I have some Neopans to
shoot;-)



In general the grain of film developed in Rodinal will be larger than most
other developers. It is not a fine grain developer. But it has a tone quality
to it that many people like. If you liked stuff developed in D23, don't expect
Rodinal to produce similar negatives.

Personally I love what I get from medium speed films (= 400 EI) in Rodinal.
Your taste may differ but you may be very pleasantly surprised.

If you prefer smaller grain, you may want to try making up the Rodinal in a 9%
sulfite solution. Some of the tone/sharpness qualities may be lost but it is a
worthwhile combination. Also, Rodinal at high dilutions (1:100) becomes a nice
compansating developer. Since you will be testing yours film speed anyway, try
it. It is my preferred dilution. Look up the Massive Development Chart for
starting times and film speeds.

Do let us know what your results are.

And I will join the group recommending you ignore M. Scarpitti. I am sure you
will notice he has a pronounced bias against some subjects and against
mainstream opinions. He used to call himself "the world's best printer" until
he posted some of his pix and got laughed at for the junk he showed.

Bert

BertS wrote:

In general the grain of film developed in Rodinal will be larger than most
other developers. It is not a fine grain developer. But it has a tone
quality
to it that many people like. If you liked stuff developed in D23, don't
expect
Rodinal to produce similar negatives.
Personally I love what I get from medium speed films (= 400 EI) in
Rodinal.
Your taste may differ but you may be very pleasantly surprised.

I like APX100 in Rodinal: http://kokonik.terramail.pl/czcz.htm but
Ilfordpan400 was also very nice and less grainy then I thought it should be
: http://kokonik.terramail.pl/czcz3.htm

If you prefer smaller grain, you may want to try making up the Rodinal in
a 9%
sulfite solution. Some of the tone/sharpness qualities may be lost but it
is a
worthwhile combination. Also, Rodinal at high dilutions (1:100) becomes a
nice
compansating developer. Since you will be testing yours film speed anyway,
try
it. It is my preferred dilution. Look up the Massive Development Chart for
starting times and film speeds.

I've used R09(Foma version of Rodinal) only in 1:100 dilution, maybe once or
twice in 1:50. Can I use table salt instead of sulfite?

Do let us know what your results are.

I will.

And I will join the group recommending you ignore M. Scarpitti. I am sure
you
will notice he has a pronounced bias against some subjects and against
mainstream opinions. He used to call himself "the world's best printer"
until
he posted some of his pix and got laughed at for the junk he showed.

In the beginning I was interested in his posts, but later I decided to
ignore his messages...

Bert

Blazej