A question for Applefans

On 10/09/2015 22:34, Alan Browne wrote:
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Exaggerated a wee bit.

IMO - the iPhone 6 is about as wide and long as a smartphone should be
for most people (as are the comparable products from Samsung et al).
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If one really wants to have only a _phone_ and little else, then there
are a lot of options. But giving up all that a smartphone can do seems
a bit silly given how cheap they are and how little they cost to operate.

At least in the UK, the basic iPhone 6 is from GBP 459, which is /not/
cheap for UK customers. The 6Plus is from GBP 539.

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Cheers,
David
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Tony Cooper wrote:
Savageduck wrote:
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It was dumped on you because that particular vendor was clearing their
inventory of EOL iPhones. Knowing your needs they should have sold you
something else. As a allegedly knowledgeable consumer you should have
been more aware when you entered that establishment.
...
The store didn't dump anything on me. I didn't even talk to a clerk
until I walked up to one and said this is the one I want. I really
don't recall if the 5 was available when I got my 4S. I don't like to
deal with clerks. All this one wanted to do, once I told him what I
wanted, was to bump me up into a higher data plan.

If I recall correctly, the price was the same on a number of phones
because I had no contract obligation, so it wasn't a "deal" because of
the model. With a contract, all the phones were just a few bucks and
price wasn't a factor.

FWIW, an "all within a few bucks" is an odd statement if it is
including both the iPhone 4S and 5, based on the price structure
that Apple traditionally uses. What's typical for subsidized
iPhone is that the oldest one is free (or $1), the second oldest
is $100 (or $99), the newest one is $200 ($199), etc. Here, that
would have been the 4S, 5 and 5S.


What has my head spinning is that this is all something you feel is
important.

It isn't ... except for the OP question on the plug differences.
This purchased merely happened while some older products which had
the big 30-pin dock connector were still being sold and while the
newer (replacement) products were using the 8-pin Lightning connector.

Change corporations and one will find the same hardware changes
over time occur too. For example, I know that Blackberry at least
went from a mini-USB plug to a micro-USB. Similarly, the problems
with plug proliferation amongst the many other cellular providers
resulted in the EU establishing a micro-USB for their market, which
IIRC Apple is compliant with by providing an adaptor.



-hh

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:


The Facebook app is on my phone but I didn't add it. My wife, who
also has an iPhone, added Facebook and it may have appeared on both
phones because one of us downloaded it. Or, maybe it came with the
phone. I really don't know. I don't do Facebook.

you probably have it configured to auto-download apps bought on another
device which uses the same appleid. that can be disabled if you prefer.

In article , David Taylor
wrote:


At least in the UK, the basic iPhone 6 is from GBP 459, which is /not/
cheap for UK customers. The 6Plus is from GBP 539.

those prices are comparable to other similar phones and the true price
is often hidden by carrier subsidies anyway.

apple is selling a ****load of iphones in the uk and elsewhere, so the
price is obviously affordable to many.

if you price comparable android phones, you'll see that they are in the
same range, if not *more* expensive.

for example the samsung galaxy note 4 (comparable to an iphone 6+) is
£599, discounted to £549, and this is last year's model:
http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/m...ones/galaxy-no
te/SM-N910FZKEBTU

the galaxy 6 edge (comparable to an iphone 6) is £559.00, discounted
to*£499.00:
http://www.samsung.com/uk/galaxys6/

not only is the the full price more than an iphone, but so is is the
discounted price.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

What has my head spinning is that this is all something you feel is
important.

It isn't ... except for the OP question on the plug differences.

That could have been an issue handled with a couple of posts and then
forgotten.

it would have, except you intentionally turned it into a flamefest.

I was unaware that the plugs changed as new models came
out. Once aware of that, I would have lost interest in the
difference.

i explained about the two different plugs to you in my first reply.

except you went off on a rant because that's what you do.

On 2015-09-11 15:25:16 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

However, the Duck was astonished that I bought a phone without
extensive research despite the fact that the phone I purchased so
casually was the brand he uses and would - presumably - recommend.

OK! So you bought an Apple phone by accident. There are differences,
big differences between iP4, iP4S, iP5, iP5C, iP5S, and those that have
followed.
This is like saying that you bought a Ford. We ask what model, and you
say you don't know, it's just a car and I use it for the occasional
driving need. When pressed you tell us it is a 1979 Pinto, but it is a
Ford.

Given what you have told us regarding your cell phone usage and needs,
I wouldn't have recommended any smartphone for you let alone an iPhone.
It seems the full capability of a smartphone, any brand of smartphone
is wasted on you.

nospam made a big deal of me not recalling the model name/number. I
recently replaced all four tires on one automobile at a cost that was
much greater than whatever I spent on the phone, but I don't have the
slightest idea what brand they are, let alone what model. I'd have to
go look at the tires to know just as I had to go look at the phone.

So? Tires are an important part of your car's maintenance, and a major
factor in design, safety, and handling for your particular vehicle. It
is worth having that knowledge, or at minimum knowing where it might be
referenced.

My car was delivered with Pirelli PZero tires, and has different sized
wheels front and rear; 245/40/18 front, and 265/35/18 rear. When it
came to replacement there was only one other brand of tire which
provided similar ratings in thos sizes, Continental. However,
Continental also had a lower speed rated tire in those sizes, and that
had a better wear rating and an $18/tire lower cost.

My tire guy told me what he had, what his fitted prices were, and I was
able to reseach both brands so as to make an informed decision.

....but, whatever works for you, I just find your lassez faire approach
to consumerism very different to mine.


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Regards,

Savageduck

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

It isn't ... except for the OP question on the plug differences.

That could have been an issue handled with a couple of posts and then
forgotten.

it would have, except you intentionally turned it into a flamefest.

I was unaware that the plugs changed as new models came
out. Once aware of that, I would have lost interest in the
difference.

i explained about the two different plugs to you in my first reply.

except you went off on a rant because that's what you do.

Once again you are attempting to re-write history.

The first "flamefest" comments were made by you:

You said "learn to read" and "it's called progress, something you do
not like".

that was in my *second* post, after you started in with your ranting.

as you say, you are rewriting history.

my first post did nothing more than explain the situation in a clear,
informative and flame-free reply, quoted below.

and let's not forget that your very first post called it a scam to sell
more cables. you were trolling from the very start.


In article , nospam
wrote:
In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

My iPhone and iPad are charged using a plug and cable combination.
Each uses a different cable with a different-size fitting that plugs
into the device. Both style cables use the same wall-plug device.

What is the reason for the two different fittings? Both are obtaining
and converting power from the same wall plug.

one is nearly 15 years old, the other just 3 years old.

the 30 pin dock connector debuted in 2003 with the 3rd gen ipod and
existed for ten years.

in 2012, apple switched to the much smaller and much more advanced
lightning connector, which has numerous advantages over the previous
dock connector.

It seems to me that Apple is just doing the printer ink scam and
adding an extra product to sell when replacements are needed.

nope.

lightning is a more advanced and forward thinking connector, where the
function of the individual pins can be dynamically reconfigured as
needed. it's also reversible.

keep in mind that non-apple devices have had more connector types in
the same time period and with yet another one now (usb-c) appearing.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

I was unaware that the plugs changed as new models came
out. Once aware of that, I would have lost interest in the
difference.

i explained about the two different plugs to you in my first reply.

except you went off on a rant because that's what you do.

Once again you are attempting to re-write history.

The first "flamefest" comments were made by you:

You said "learn to read" and "it's called progress, something you do
not like".

that was in my *second* post, after you started in with your ranting.

Yes, I know.

so you agree it's your doing.

However, I had not said anything remotely in the area of
a "flamefest" prior to that.

aside from your trollish remark at the outset, your response to my
reply is where the flaming began. not before that.

You were the first, weasel boy.

wrong. now you're flat out lying.

*you* were the first, which you even admitted above.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

There are differences,
big differences between iP4, iP4S, iP5, iP5C, iP5S, and those that have
followed.
This is like saying that you bought a Ford. We ask what model, and you
say you don't know, it's just a car and I use it for the occasional
driving need. When pressed you tell us it is a 1979 Pinto, but it is a
Ford.

Well, it's a bit different. You say there are "big differences"
between a 4, 4S, 5, and 5S. I suppose there are differences, but
whether they are "big" or not could be debatable. When you get into
the physically larger models with bigger screens, I'd agree the
difference is big.

it's only debatable by those who are uninformed.

the differences between the various models are anywhere from big to
very substantial.

the screen size difference is minor compared to the rest, and the
screen size only changed slightly between the 4s & 5 anyway.

Ask me what kind of car I drive and I'll tell you a Toyota RAV4. If
you want to know what year it is, I'll add that. Basically, though,
the differences between my RAV4 and RAV4s in the next two or three
model years are minor. Like the iPhone4 and the iPhone6S, when
there's a number of model changes over the years there are some big
differences between my RAV4 and the currently available new models.

the differences between an iphone 4 and 6s are so substantial that it
could even be considered to be an entirely new product class, it's that
different.

on the other hand, vehicles don't change all that much from year to
year. there may be some minor feature additions but they don't
fundamentally change the way the vehicle is used.



The monthly provider charge is the same for any phone. There is an
additional charge for a data plan, but the phone part of the bill is
the same for all phones.

not always true.

some carriers charge a premium for certain types of phones, even for
the same service or they require certain levels of service. also, they
might offer certain services for some phones and not with others.

so no, it's not the same for any phone.

Tony Cooper wrote:
Savageduck wrote:
Tony Cooper said:

However, the Duck was astonished that I bought a phone without
extensive research despite...

It was surprising to have heard of so little interest in what
the product was which you were buying, particularly since there's
not a trivial step up in overall cost ... in this case, it wasn't
just a $59 vs $99 smartphone (hardware price variations), but as
the first smartphone on your contract, also the extra monthly
expense for a data plan ... to roughly ballpark it, I'd figure
+$40/month * 2 year agreement = roughly a thousand bucks


There are differences, big differences between iP4, iP4S,
iP5, iP5C, iP5S, and those that have followed.

More than just the first connector change in a decade. ;-)

This is like saying that you bought a Ford. We ask what
model, and you say you don't know, it's just a car and
I use it for the occasional driving need. When pressed
you tell us it is a 1979 Pinto, but it is a Ford.

Well, it's a bit different. You say there are "big differences"
between a 4, 4S, 5, and 5S. I suppose there are differences,
but whether they are "big" or not could be debatable.

Which is why there's a general expectation that consumers
will do some level of research before purchase, as they need
to make basically a cost:benefit assessment for their needs.


When you get into the physically larger models with bigger
screens, I'd agree the difference is big.

It isn't just physical size...and it is ironic that you were
making a "big" deal out of a small feature, namely a plug change.


Ask me what kind of car I drive and I'll tell you a Toyota RAV4.
If you want to know what year it is, I'll add that. Basically,
though, the differences between my RAV4 and RAV4s in the next
two or three model years are minor.

Except that that's a poor analogy because smartphones don't
get major refreshes as slowly as automobiles do.

Like the iPhone4 and the iPhone6S, when there's a number of
model changes over the years there are some big differences
between my RAV4 and the currently available new models.

Right, because the RAV4's major design generations we

1st Gen: 1994 - 2000 (6 years)
2nd Gen: 2000 - 2005 (6 years)
3rd Gen: 2005 - 2012 (7 years)
4th Gen: 2013 - present (3 years & counting)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_RAV4

Thus, the RAV4-based analogy to the technological
change from the iPhone 4S to iPhone 5S is akin to
comparing a 1998 (1st Generation) to a 2010 (3rd Gen).


-hh