Unwritten law about APS kit lenses

On 12/30/2010 4:45 AM, RichA wrote:
That they must all be 18-55mm. Remember the halcyon days when Nikon
produced lenses like the 18-70mm? All kit lenses now seem to be
carbon-copy 18-55mm with roughly the same speed characteristics. Is
is possible that these lenses, despite coming in different brands are
all being made by the same Chinese factory?

Your point in complaining about something you will never buy?


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=nikon+d300s&N=0&InitialSearch=yes


Does "all" have a different definition in Canada, than in the USA?

Also see the definitions of possible and probable.:




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Peter

On 12/30/2010 5:01 PM, RichA wrote:
On Dec 30, 6:00 am, wrote:
On 12/30/2010 4:45 AM, RichA wrote:

That they must all be 18-55mm. Remember the halcyon days when Nikon
produced lenses like the 18-70mm? All kit lenses now seem to be
carbon-copy 18-55mm with roughly the same speed characteristics. Is
is possible that these lenses, despite coming in different brands are
all being made by the same Chinese factory?

Your point in complaining about something you will never buy?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=nikon+d300s&N=0&InitialSearc...


What is the point of the link, to show you can buy a D300s with an
18-200mm? Hardly a kit lens.
I've seen (once) a D300 coupled with the 80-400mm. Is that a kit lens
too? If you look at British sources, they often couple cameras with
non-kit lenses as combos, but that does not make the lens a kit lens.




Another question for you not to answer.
Define: Kit lens


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Peter

peter wrote in
:

On 12/30/2010 5:01 PM, RichA wrote:
On Dec 30, 6:00 am, wrote:
On 12/30/2010 4:45 AM, RichA wrote:

That they must all be 18-55mm. Remember the halcyon days when
Nikon produced lenses like the 18-70mm? All kit lenses now seem to
be carbon-copy 18-55mm with roughly the same speed characteristics.
Is is possible that these lenses, despite coming in different
brands are all being made by the same Chinese factory?

Your point in complaining about something you will never buy?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search...=0&InitialSear
c...


What is the point of the link, to show you can buy a D300s with an
18-200mm? Hardly a kit lens.
I've seen (once) a D300 coupled with the 80-400mm. Is that a kit
lens too? If you look at British sources, they often couple cameras
with non-kit lenses as combos, but that does not make the lens a kit
lens.




Another question for you not to answer.
Define: Kit lens



A lens considered the normal standard lens packaged with non-pro or semi-
pro DSLRs. Right now, for APS cameras that is the 18-55 for most. Even
Sony went back to it from the original horrible 18-70 they once had.

On 12/30/2010 11:59 PM, Rich wrote:
wrote in
:

On 12/30/2010 5:01 PM, RichA wrote:
On Dec 30, 6:00 am, wrote:
On 12/30/2010 4:45 AM, RichA wrote:

That they must all be 18-55mm. Remember the halcyon days when
Nikon produced lenses like the 18-70mm? All kit lenses now seem to
be carbon-copy 18-55mm with roughly the same speed characteristics.
Is is possible that these lenses, despite coming in different
brands are all being made by the same Chinese factory?

Your point in complaining about something you will never buy?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search...=0&InitialSear
c...


What is the point of the link, to show you can buy a D300s with an
18-200mm? Hardly a kit lens.
I've seen (once) a D300 coupled with the 80-400mm. Is that a kit
lens too? If you look at British sources, they often couple cameras
with non-kit lenses as combos, but that does not make the lens a kit
lens.




Another question for you not to answer.
Define: Kit lens



A lens considered the normal standard lens packaged with non-pro or semi-
pro DSLRs. Right now, for APS cameras that is the 18-55 for most. Even
Sony went back to it from the original horrible 18-70 they once had.


Very good.
Is there a difference between "all" and "most"
Now let's see what other people, more knowledgeable than I, have to say:

A kit lens is a "starter" lens which can be sold with an
interchangeable-lens camera such as a single-lens reflex camera. The kit
consists of the camera body, the lens, and various accessories usually
necessary to get started in SLR photography. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kit_lens

A lens (or lenses) offered as a starter kit with a DSLR camera. Buyers
can purchase only the camera body, but kit lenses are an inexpensive
starting point for a new DSLR owner. These lenses are rarely excellent,
even though they will satisfy many users
www.digicamhelp.com/glossary/dlsr-terminology/

Note that neither of the above definitions contains the exclusions you
mentioned in prior responses.




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Peter

On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 14:01:41 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote:
: On Dec 30, 6:00*am, peter wrote:
: On 12/30/2010 4:45 AM, RichA wrote:
:
: That they must all be 18-55mm. *Remember the halcyon days when Nikon
: produced lenses like the 18-70mm? *All kit lenses now seem to be
: carbon-copy 18-55mm with roughly the same speed characteristics. *Is
: is possible that these lenses, despite coming in different brands are
: all being made by the same Chinese factory?
:
: Your point in complaining about something you will never buy?
:
: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=nikon+d300s&N=0&InitialSearc...
:
: What is the point of the link, to show you can buy a D300s with an
: 18-200mm? Hardly a kit lens.
: I've seen (once) a D300 coupled with the 80-400mm. Is that a kit lens
: too? If you look at British sources, they often couple cameras with
: non-kit lenses as combos, but that does not make the lens a kit lens.

Shame on you, Peter, for not apprehending that subtle point. A kit lens is a
kit lens because it's a kit lens, not because it's offered as part of a "kit".

Bob

On 12/31/2010 9:55 AM, Robert Coe wrote:
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 14:01:41 -0800 (PST), wrote:
: On Dec 30, 6:00 am, wrote:
: On 12/30/2010 4:45 AM, RichA wrote:
:
: That they must all be 18-55mm. Remember the halcyon days when Nikon
: produced lenses like the 18-70mm? All kit lenses now seem to be
: carbon-copy 18-55mm with roughly the same speed characteristics. Is
: is possible that these lenses, despite coming in different brands are
: all being made by the same Chinese factory?
:
: Your point in complaining about something you will never buy?
:
: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=nikon+d300s&N=0&InitialSearc...
:
: What is the point of the link, to show you can buy a D300s with an
: 18-200mm? Hardly a kit lens.
: I've seen (once) a D300 coupled with the 80-400mm. Is that a kit lens
: too? If you look at British sources, they often couple cameras with
: non-kit lenses as combos, but that does not make the lens a kit lens.

Shame on you, Peter, for not apprehending that subtle point. A kit lens is a
kit lens because it's a kit lens, not because it's offered as part of a "kit".


Sorry I forgot. I'm hanging my head in shame.

--
Peter

On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 14:01:41 -0800 (PST), RichA
wrote:

On Dec 30, 6:00*am, peter wrote:
On 12/30/2010 4:45 AM, RichA wrote:

That they must all be 18-55mm. *Remember the halcyon days when Nikon
produced lenses like the 18-70mm? *All kit lenses now seem to be
carbon-copy 18-55mm with roughly the same speed characteristics. *Is
is possible that these lenses, despite coming in different brands are
all being made by the same Chinese factory?

Your point in complaining about something you will never buy?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=nikon+d300s&N=0&InitialSearc...


What is the point of the link, to show you can buy a D300s with an
18-200mm? Hardly a kit lens.

It's sold as a kit, it's a kit lens. You don't HAVE to buy an 18-55 if
you don't want to.

I've seen (once) a D300 coupled with the 80-400mm. Is that a kit lens
too? If you look at British sources, they often couple cameras with
non-kit lenses as combos, but that does not make the lens a kit lens.

On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 09:55:40 -0500, Robert Coe wrote:

On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 14:01:41 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote:
: On Dec 30, 6:00*am, peter wrote:
: On 12/30/2010 4:45 AM, RichA wrote:
:
: That they must all be 18-55mm. *Remember the halcyon days when Nikon
: produced lenses like the 18-70mm? *All kit lenses now seem to be
: carbon-copy 18-55mm with roughly the same speed characteristics. *Is
: is possible that these lenses, despite coming in different brands are
: all being made by the same Chinese factory?
:
: Your point in complaining about something you will never buy?
:
: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=nikon+d300s&N=0&InitialSearc...
:
: What is the point of the link, to show you can buy a D300s with an
: 18-200mm? Hardly a kit lens.
: I've seen (once) a D300 coupled with the 80-400mm. Is that a kit lens
: too? If you look at British sources, they often couple cameras with
: non-kit lenses as combos, but that does not make the lens a kit lens.

Shame on you, Peter, for not apprehending that subtle point. A kit lens is a
kit lens because it's a kit lens, not because it's offered as part of a "kit".

Bob

Sonofabitch. I thought they were called "kit" lenses because they were
used by Kit Karson.

On 2011-01-02 07:48:48 -0800, Bowser said:

On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 14:01:41 -0800 (PST), RichA
wrote:

On Dec 30, 6:00*am, peter wrote:
On 12/30/2010 4:45 AM, RichA wrote:

That they must all be 18-55mm. *Remember the halcyon days when Nikon
produced lenses like the 18-70mm? *All kit lenses now seem to be
carbon-copy 18-55mm with roughly the same speed characteristics. *Is
is possible that these lenses, despite coming in different brands are
all being made by the same Chinese factory?

Your point in complaining about something you will never buy?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=nikon+d300s&N=0&InitialSearc...


What is the point of the link, to show you can buy a D300s with an
18-200mm? Hardly a kit lens.

It's sold as a kit, it's a kit lens. You don't HAVE to buy an 18-55 if
you don't want to.

Yup!
You buy a body, or you buy a body & lens "KIT", and usually the KIT
pricing is less than that of the component items, but not always. I
have seen some "kits" which cost more than the body + lens offered as a
"kit" bought seperately.
For example B&H offers two D300s "kits" one which seems to have true
"kit" pricing and one which doesn't. The D300s + 16-85mm VR @ $2053
saves $151 over the seperate cost, whereas a D300s + 18-200mm VRII kit
@ $2540.99 is $340 more than if bought as seperate body & lens for a
total of $2208?


I've seen (once) a D300 coupled with the 80-400mm. Is that a kit lens
too? If you look at British sources, they often couple cameras with
non-kit lenses as combos, but that does not make the lens a kit lens.


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Regards,

Savageduck

Savageduck wrote:

For example B&H offers two D300s "kits" one which seems to have true
"kit" pricing and one which doesn't. The D300s + 16-85mm VR @ $2053
saves $151 over the seperate cost,

thus enticing you to buy there ...

whereas a D300s + 18-200mm VRII kit
@ $2540.99 is $340 more than if bought as seperate body & lens for a
total of $2208?

It's a tax on the math challenged. Fair enough. Someone has
to pay for the $151 ...

-Wolfgang