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Old July 1st 04, 12:13 AM
John Bartley
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Well, you've seen the post with a link to my first photo, which was very
much out of focus and (I think) overexposed. This evening, I had almost
exactly the same conditions as far as weather and light and clouds etc,
so out I went with my camera, spent about 20 minutes working with the
focus, tilt and swing. I even wore my glasses, and used a magnifier to
see the ground glass. When I was done, you could read the license plate
numbers on the trucks!!! I put in the film holder, pulled out the dark
slide, snapped the picture and went to put the dark slide back in - NO
GO!! Aaarrrg! I'm going to try removing the dark slide (from as far as
it went back in) and removing the negative in the dark room this evening
and then I'm going to develop it, but I'm preparing myself for major
disappointment :-( . I guess I'll have to be more careful how I load the
holder, although I can't understand how I got the dark slide into the
holder in the first place when I was loading.

:'(

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John Bartley
43 Norway Spruce Street
Stittsville, Ontario
Canada, K2S1P5

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Old July 1st 04, 12:49 AM
one_of_many
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In article , John Bartley
wrote:

Well, you've seen the post with a link to my first photo, which was very
much out of focus and (I think) overexposed. This evening, I had almost
exactly the same conditions as far as weather and light and clouds etc,
so out I went with my camera, spent about 20 minutes working with the
focus, tilt and swing. I even wore my glasses, and used a magnifier to
see the ground glass. When I was done, you could read the license plate
numbers on the trucks!!! I put in the film holder, pulled out the dark
slide, snapped the picture and went to put the dark slide back in - NO
GO!! Aaarrrg! [...]


John, what you experienced is pretty common with new LF users. You
accidently loaded the film so that it slid down the rails right under the
dark slide. As you discovered, once out of the holder, the film pops up
and blocks the slide.

Next time when you load the film feel free to use both hands to feel the
film down from the very top, then down the narrow retaining rails. Once
the film is in, you should be able to only bend/lift the very upper left
(notch) corner of the film.

Not to worry. We've all been there!
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Old July 1st 04, 12:52 AM
John Bartley
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one_of_many wrote:

John, what you experienced is pretty common with new LF users. You
accidently loaded the film so that it slid down the rails right under the
dark slide. As you discovered, once out of the holder, the film pops up
and blocks the slide.

Next time when you load the film feel free to use both hands to feel the
film down from the very top, then down the narrow retaining rails. Once
the film is in, you should be able to only bend/lift the very upper left
(notch) corner of the film.

Not to worry. We've all been there!



I have an image - yippee!!

It's hanging to dry now, so I should know soon - anticipation is so
stressfull :-D !!

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John Bartley
43 Norway Spruce Street
Stittsville, Ontario
Canada, K2S1P5

( If you slow down it takes longer
- does that apply to life also?)
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Old July 1st 04, 12:26 PM
John Bartley
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John Bartley wrote:


I have an image - yippee!!

It's hanging to dry now, so I should know soon - anticipation is so
stressfull :-D !!

Well.....it was a pretty poor image. The developing went well (I think),
but the picture is way too bright, which leads me to think that my
antiquated light meter (an old Seconic Aires) is giving me false
readings. The picture is also blurry, and this time I know without a
doubt that it was in focus everywhere on the ground glass so the only
conlusion that I can draw is that I'm getting motion in the
camera/tripod assembly when I release the shutter.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/oldrad/Photo/

My course of action will be

1) obtain a more solid tripod
2) take better care in loading the holders
3) waste a few negatives experimenting with the "sunny F/16" rule while
I research and obtain a new meter

So....all in all, it was a fun and positive result from what was looking
like a complete waste of time at the beginning

cheers all!

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John Bartley
43 Norway Spruce Street
Stittsville, Ontario
Canada, K2S1P5

( If you slow down it takes longer
- does that apply to life also?)
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Old July 1st 04, 01:09 PM
Raphael Bustin
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On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 07:26:10 -0400, John Bartley
wrote:

John Bartley wrote:


I have an image - yippee!!

It's hanging to dry now, so I should know soon - anticipation is so
stressfull :-D !!

Well.....it was a pretty poor image. The developing went well (I think),
but the picture is way too bright, which leads me to think that my
antiquated light meter (an old Seconic Aires) is giving me false
readings. The picture is also blurry, and this time I know without a
doubt that it was in focus everywhere on the ground glass so the only
conlusion that I can draw is that I'm getting motion in the
camera/tripod assembly when I release the shutter.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/oldrad/Photo/

My course of action will be

1) obtain a more solid tripod
2) take better care in loading the holders
3) waste a few negatives experimenting with the "sunny F/16" rule while
I research and obtain a new meter

So....all in all, it was a fun and positive result from what was looking
like a complete waste of time at the beginning



Most any old manual or semi-auto camera (film
or digital) should provide you with a useable
light meter.

By definition, any camera that can't provide this
function for you would be a point & shoot.


rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com
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Old July 1st 04, 02:16 PM
Vladamir30
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John Bartley said:

I put in the film holder, pulled out the dark
slide, snapped the picture and went to put the dark slide back in - NO
GO!! Aaarrrg!


You presumably loaded the film in the rails upon which the dark slide moves
up and down rather than below those rails which is where the film is
supposed to go. This used to happen to me all the time because it's very
easy to do and is extremely frustrating. Fortunately there is an easy way to
prevent it.

In daylight pull the darkslide of an empty holder up a couple inches. Look
at the interior of the holder, at the base where the flap is. It will be
very obvious that there are rails upon which the darkslide slides up and
down and that the film is supposed to go under the bottom of the two rails.
The bottom rail on each side of the holder has a sharp corner (at least all
of mine do, some new, some ancient). When you're actually loading film,
after you've got the film in the holder just rub your finger in the area
where those two corners are located and see if you can feel the corners with
your finger. If you can then the film is loaded properly. If you can't what
you will feel instead is the film resting on top of the corner. If that's
the case then you have the film in the dark slide rails and you need to
remove it and start over (no, touching the film with your finger won't
create a smudge or otherwise hurt the film). This is one of those things
that takes five minutes to describe in writing and maybe five seconds max to
actually do but hopefully this is clear.

Of course you could also pull the dark slide out of the holder entirely and
then see if it will go back in after you've loaded the film but that's an
unnecessary pain to do in the dark and gets to be time consuming if you're
loading many sheets of film

"John Bartley" wrote in message
...
Well, you've seen the post with a link to my first photo, which was very
much out of focus and (I think) overexposed. This evening, I had almost
exactly the same conditions as far as weather and light and clouds etc,
so out I went with my camera, spent about 20 minutes working with the
focus, tilt and swing. I even wore my glasses, and used a magnifier to
see the ground glass. When I was done, you could read the license plate
numbers on the trucks!!! I put in the film holder, pulled out the dark
slide, snapped the picture and went to put the dark slide back in - NO
GO!! Aaarrrg! I'm going to try removing the dark slide (from as far as
it went back in) and removing the negative in the dark room this evening
and then I'm going to develop it, but I'm preparing myself for major
disappointment :-( . I guess I'll have to be more careful how I load the
holder, although I can't understand how I got the dark slide into the
holder in the first place when I was loading.

:'(

--
regards from ::

John Bartley
43 Norway Spruce Street
Stittsville, Ontario
Canada, K2S1P5

( If you slow down it takes longer
- does that apply to life also?)



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Old July 1st 04, 02:32 PM
Jean-David Beyer
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Vladamir30 wrote:
John Bartley said:

I put in the film holder, pulled out the dark

slide, snapped the picture and went to put the dark slide back in - NO
GO!! Aaarrrg!



You presumably loaded the film in the rails upon which the dark slide moves
up and down rather than below those rails which is where the film is
supposed to go. This used to happen to me all the time because it's very
easy to do and is extremely frustrating. Fortunately there is an easy way to
prevent it.

In daylight pull the darkslide of an empty holder up a couple inches. Look
at the interior of the holder, at the base where the flap is. It will be
very obvious that there are rails upon which the darkslide slides up and
down and that the film is supposed to go under the bottom of the two rails.
The bottom rail on each side of the holder has a sharp corner (at least all
of mine do, some new, some ancient). When you're actually loading film,
after you've got the film in the holder just rub your finger in the area
where those two corners are located and see if you can feel the corners with
your finger. If you can then the film is loaded properly. If you can't what
you will feel instead is the film resting on top of the corner. If that's
the case then you have the film in the dark slide rails and you need to
remove it and start over (no, touching the film with your finger won't
create a smudge or otherwise hurt the film). This is one of those things
that takes five minutes to describe in writing and maybe five seconds max to
actually do but hopefully this is clear.

When I load sheet film, I have a much easier way of determining if I
accidently loaded the film in the darkslide slot: Before even trying to
reinsert the dark slide, I flip the bottom flap into the position it will
need to go. If it does not go in flush with the rest of the holder when
pressing very gently, I know already that I goofed and just reload the
sheet. Forcing the darkslide in will at least scratch the film, and who
needs that!

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Old July 1st 04, 04:09 PM
Vladamir30
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Jean-David Beyer said:

When I load sheet film, I have a much easier way of determining if I
accidently loaded the film in the darkslide slot: Before even trying to
reinsert the dark slide, I flip the bottom flap into the position it will
need to go. If it does not go in flush with the rest of the holder when
pressing very gently, I know already that I goofed and just reload the
sheet. Forcing the darkslide in will at least scratch the film, and who
needs that!


I think you must have misunderstood my suggestion. I didn't suggest that
the dark slide be forced in. After inserting the film and before sliding the
dark slide into place I suggested just touching the two corners of the rail
and with your finger and that will tell you whether the film is loaded
properly or not. Nothing is being forced into anything.

It sounds like you remove the dark slide entirely from the holder when
loading film since you speak of "reinserting" it. I don't do that, I just
pull the dark slide about half way up when loading film rather than removing
it entirely from the holder. I guess some of us find some things easier
than others but it doesn't seem to me that removing and replacing the dark
slide with each sheet of film being loaded and then checking how the flap
fits is "much easier" than leaving the dark slide in the holder and just
touching two corners of the rail with your finger. And of course it's
possible for the flap to fit flush with the rest of the holder even if the
film is imporperly loaded. I actually would think the give away of improper
loading if you remove the dark slide entirely wouldn't be how the flap fits
but rather would be the difficulty encountered in putting the dark slide
back in the holder with the film in the dark slide slots. But perhaps I
don't follow exactly what you're doing and even if I do, to each his or her
own, whatever works for you, etc. etc.

"Jean-David Beyer" wrote in message
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Vladamir30 wrote:
John Bartley said:

I put in the film holder, pulled out the dark

slide, snapped the picture and went to put the dark slide back in - NO
GO!! Aaarrrg!



You presumably loaded the film in the rails upon which the dark slide

moves
up and down rather than below those rails which is where the film is
supposed to go. This used to happen to me all the time because it's very
easy to do and is extremely frustrating. Fortunately there is an easy

way to
prevent it.

In daylight pull the darkslide of an empty holder up a couple inches.

Look
at the interior of the holder, at the base where the flap is. It will

be
very obvious that there are rails upon which the darkslide slides up and
down and that the film is supposed to go under the bottom of the two

rails.
The bottom rail on each side of the holder has a sharp corner (at least

all
of mine do, some new, some ancient). When you're actually loading film,
after you've got the film in the holder just rub your finger in the area
where those two corners are located and see if you can feel the corners

with
your finger. If you can then the film is loaded properly. If you can't

what
you will feel instead is the film resting on top of the corner. If

that's
the case then you have the film in the dark slide rails and you need to
remove it and start over (no, touching the film with your finger won't
create a smudge or otherwise hurt the film). This is one of those things
that takes five minutes to describe in writing and maybe five seconds

max to
actually do but hopefully this is clear.

When I load sheet film, I have a much easier way of determining if I
accidently loaded the film in the darkslide slot: Before even trying to
reinsert the dark slide, I flip the bottom flap into the position it will
need to go. If it does not go in flush with the rest of the holder when
pressing very gently, I know already that I goofed and just reload the
sheet. Forcing the darkslide in will at least scratch the film, and who
needs that!

--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ Registered Machine 241939.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org
^^-^^ 09:25:00 up 3 days, 16:54, 3 users, load average: 0.02, 0.08, 0.21



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Old July 1st 04, 05:28 PM
Jean-David Beyer
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Vladamir30 wrote:
Jean-David Beyer said:


When I load sheet film, I have a much easier way of determining if I
accidently loaded the film in the darkslide slot: Before even trying to
reinsert the dark slide, I flip the bottom flap into the position it will
need to go. If it does not go in flush with the rest of the holder when
pressing very gently, I know already that I goofed and just reload the
sheet. Forcing the darkslide in will at least scratch the film, and who
needs that!



I think you must have misunderstood my suggestion. I didn't suggest that
the dark slide be forced in. After inserting the film and before sliding the
dark slide into place I suggested just touching the two corners of the rail
and with your finger and that will tell you whether the film is loaded
properly or not. Nothing is being forced into anything.

It sounds like you remove the dark slide entirely from the holder when
loading film since you speak of "reinserting" it. I don't do that, I just
pull the dark slide about half way up when loading film rather than removing
it entirely from the holder. I guess some of us find some things easier
than others but it doesn't seem to me that removing and replacing the dark
slide with each sheet of film being loaded and then checking how the flap
fits is "much easier" than leaving the dark slide in the holder and just
touching two corners of the rail with your finger. And of course it's
possible for the flap to fit flush with the rest of the holder even if the
film is imporperly loaded.


I have never found that to be the case. I use Lisco holders, in case that
matters.

I actually would think the give away of improper
loading if you remove the dark slide entirely wouldn't be how the flap fits
but rather would be the difficulty encountered in putting the dark slide
back in the holder with the film in the dark slide slots. But perhaps I
don't follow exactly what you're doing and even if I do, to each his or her
own, whatever works for you, etc. etc.

I have to remove the dark slide all the way sometime, because after
exposing it, I must put it in the other way to indicate it is exposed.
Then after processing, I must reverse it again to indicate it is
unexposed. It just so happens that that is when I do it.

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Old July 1st 04, 07:32 PM
John Bartley
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Jean-David Beyer wrote:

Vladamir30 wrote:



Right about now, I would like to sincerely thank ALL for their input. I
have read all the replies, both on the group and in private email, and
have appreciated and am grateful for ALL the input. From each reply I am
able to extract a bit of information about how each contributors unique
method is similar or different to what I've been doing, and to see how
their ways may be adapted to my own skill level (or lack there-of :-)
). I have already made progress this way, so to ALL, a huge and hearty
THANK YOU !!

ps : it's the differences in us that make it so interesting so see how
we each solve our particular challanges. I'm looking forward to more
challenges :-) !


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John Bartley
43 Norway Spruce Street
Stittsville, Ontario
Canada, K2S1P5

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