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Photography is Not a Crime, It's a First Amendment Right
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Photography is Not a Crime, It's a First Amendment Right
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:48:59 -0400, Neil Jones wrote:
Very interesting article. http://digg.com/political_opinion/Ph...ndment_ Right NJ I have not checked the reference, but photography can be used in a way that is a right or is a crime. It is by itself no more or less of a right or crime than carpentry. |
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Photography is Not a Crime, It's a First Amendment Right
"Neil Jones" wrote in message
... Very interesting article. http://digg.com/political_opinion/Ph...ndment_ Right NJ Looks like Digg done dugg the link too deep--service temporarily unavailable. |
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Photography is Not a Crime, It's a First Amendment Right
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:48:59 -0400, Neil Jones wrote:
Very interesting article. http://digg.com/political_opinion/ Photography_is_Not_a_Crime_It_s_a_First_Amendment_ Right NJ Hell of a stretch to get from freedom of speech and press to your right to photograph any damned thing you want. |
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Photography is Not a Crime, It's a First Amendment Right
On 2009-03-29 04:48:59 -0700, Neil Jones said:
Very interesting article. http://digg.com/political_opinion/Ph...ndment_ Right NJ Photography is a First Amendment right, but there are some limitations -- the same limitations that apply to all other First Amendment rights. Certainly, police officers should have no expectation to a right not to be photographed if they themselves are committing crimes such as assault, conspiracy to deprive people of civil rights, corruption, and abuse of authority. That is why we have a First Amendment in the first place -- it is a tool to protect ourselves against tyranny. In this case, the police were behaving tyrannically. Small wonder they hate the First Amendment. In the cases cited here, it was the police officers who were violating the law, not the photographers. The police were merely angry because the photographs were being used as evidence against them. Tough. -- Waddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor |
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Photography is Not a Crime, It's a First Amendment Right
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:40:21 -0700, C J Campbell
wrote: On 2009-03-29 04:48:59 -0700, Neil Jones said: Very interesting article. http://digg.com/political_opinion/Ph...ndment_ Right NJ Photography is a First Amendment right, but there are some limitations -- the same limitations that apply to all other First Amendment rights. Certainly, police officers should have no expectation to a right not to be photographed if they themselves are committing crimes such as assault, conspiracy to deprive people of civil rights, corruption, and abuse of authority. That is why we have a First Amendment in the first place -- it is a tool to protect ourselves against tyranny. In this case, the police were behaving tyrannically. Small wonder they hate the First Amendment. In the cases cited here, it was the police officers who were violating the law, not the photographers. The police were merely angry because the photographs were being used as evidence against them. Tough. My son has a friend (a former class-mate) who is an undercover cop working drug enforcement. During an arrest awhile back, some bystander snapped some shots of the "perps" (1) being manhandled onto the ground. My son's friend took the camera and reformatted the SD card.(2) The photographer squealed that he was photographing "police brutality". The cop defended his action by saying that, as an undercover cop, he should be able to protect his identity. Both sides have a point. Police brutality should be exposed, (pun intended) but arrestees don't always go along quietly. Undercover drug agents are at risk if their identity is known. (1) Love that cop talk! (2) The cop is a pretty good amateur photographer and can work his way around the Menu of any camera. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |
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Photography is Not a Crime, It's a First Amendment Right
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wrote: My son has a friend (a former class-mate) who is an undercover cop working drug enforcement. During an arrest awhile back, some bystander snapped some shots of the "perps" (1) being manhandled onto the ground. My son's friend took the camera and reformatted the SD card.(2) The photographer squealed that he was photographing "police brutality". The cop defended his action by saying that, as an undercover cop, he should be able to protect his identity. Both sides have a point. the cop was very clearly in the wrong. he does *not* have the right to reformat the card, destroying not just photos of himself but everything else that was on it. at a minimum, that's destruction of property and given that he manhandled the perps, i suspect he did the same to the bystander. Police brutality should be exposed, (pun intended) but arrestees don't always go along quietly. Undercover drug agents are at risk if their identity is known. his identity is made known the moment he flashed his badge. after that, there is nothing to protect. he's also in public and is subject to being photographed. and rest assured that word gets around what the undercover cops look like, photos or not. (1) Love that cop talk! (2) The cop is a pretty good amateur photographer and can work his way around the Menu of any camera. that's wonderful, but he broke the law. hopefully the bystander has a good lawyer and also knows how to run an undelete utility. |
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Photography is Not a Crime, It's a First Amendment Right
ray wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:48:59 -0400, Neil Jones wrote: Very interesting article. http://digg.com/political_opinion/ Photography_is_Not_a_Crime_It_s_a_First_Amendment_ Right NJ Hell of a stretch to get from freedom of speech and press to your right to photograph any damned thing you want. Freedom of the press has been interpreted to allow news photographers to intrude on the privacy of any person who is 'in the public eye', so I guess it does. Frankly, a press card shouldn't give one a right to visually trespass, in my opinion. |
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Photography is Not a Crime, It's a First Amendment Right
C J Campbell wrote:
On 2009-03-29 04:48:59 -0700, Neil Jones said: Very interesting article. http://digg.com/political_opinion/Ph...ndment_ Right NJ Photography is a First Amendment right, but there are some limitations -- the same limitations that apply to all other First Amendment rights. Certainly, police officers should have no expectation to a right not to be photographed if they themselves are committing crimes such as assault, conspiracy to deprive people of civil rights, corruption, and abuse of authority. That is why we have a First Amendment in the first place -- it is a tool to protect ourselves against tyranny. In this case, the police were behaving tyrannically. Small wonder they hate the First Amendment. In the cases cited here, it was the police officers who were violating the law, not the photographers. The police were merely angry because the photographs were being used as evidence against them. Tough. A free press is essential to maintaining a democracy. Because the US Founding Fathers had experience with abuses by government, they valued free press highly, and included that in the first of the 10 amendments to the Constitution added before the constitution was ratified. Nothing clarifies the need for a protection like a government that systematically abuses its people. |
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Photography is Not a Crime, It's a First Amendment Right
tony cooper wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:40:21 -0700, C J Campbell wrote: On 2009-03-29 04:48:59 -0700, Neil Jones said: Very interesting article. http://digg.com/political_opinion/Ph...ndment_ Right NJ Photography is a First Amendment right, but there are some limitations -- the same limitations that apply to all other First Amendment rights. Certainly, police officers should have no expectation to a right not to be photographed if they themselves are committing crimes such as assault, conspiracy to deprive people of civil rights, corruption, and abuse of authority. That is why we have a First Amendment in the first place -- it is a tool to protect ourselves against tyranny. In this case, the police were behaving tyrannically. Small wonder they hate the First Amendment. In the cases cited here, it was the police officers who were violating the law, not the photographers. The police were merely angry because the photographs were being used as evidence against them. Tough. My son has a friend (a former class-mate) who is an undercover cop working drug enforcement. During an arrest awhile back, some bystander snapped some shots of the "perps" (1) being manhandled onto the ground. My son's friend took the camera and reformatted the SD card.(2) The photographer squealed that he was photographing "police brutality". The cop defended his action by saying that, as an undercover cop, he should be able to protect his identity. Both sides have a point. Police brutality should be exposed, (pun intended) but arrestees don't always go along quietly. Undercover drug agents are at risk if their identity is known. (1) Love that cop talk! (2) The cop is a pretty good amateur photographer and can work his way around the Menu of any camera. Undercover cops are really between a rock and a hard place all too often. Having their cover blown can be suddenly fatal. And a certain amount of force is easily justified in the case of drug dealer arrests. |
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