Mirrorless .... shutter ?

I just saw somebody advertising a Nikon Z6 with a quoted shutter-count.

'Scuse my ignorance (I still prefer the idea of seeing the actual
subject rather than a screen image), but do mirrorless 'SLRs' (equiv)
still have mechanical shutters, or is the shutter simply an electronic
grab of a sensor frame scan ?

If the latter surely a shutter-count would irrelevant.

geoff

In article , geoff
wrote:

I just saw somebody advertising a Nikon Z6 with a quoted shutter-count.

'Scuse my ignorance (I still prefer the idea of seeing the actual
subject rather than a screen image), but do mirrorless 'SLRs' (equiv)
still have mechanical shutters, or is the shutter simply an electronic
grab of a sensor frame scan ?

mechanical.

On Jan 18, 2021, geoff wrote
(in ):

I just saw somebody advertising a Nikon Z6 with a quoted shutter-count.

'Scuse my ignorance (I still prefer the idea of seeing the actual
subject rather than a screen image), but do mirrorless 'SLRs' (equiv)
still have mechanical shutters, or is the shutter simply an electronic
grab of a sensor frame scan ?

If the latter surely a shutter-count would irrelevant.

geoff

It can depend on the individual MILC - “Mirrorless Interchangeable-lens Camera� and the features it/they offer.
For example many MILCs provide the option for selection of a mechanical, or an electronic shutter to be selected. In my case I use a Fujifilm X-T3, and an X-E3. Both of those offer options of electronic, mechanical, & electronic front curtain shutter.

Each shutter type has its advantages, disadvantages, specific uses, and optimal use situation.

For the X-T3 the shutter option can be set as below:
Mechanical Shutter (MS) SS up to 1/8000 second.

Electronic Shutter (ES) SS up to 1/32000 second. Good for high shutter speed, and silent shooting.

Electronic Front Curtain (EF) This delivers the shortest blackout time, and the best image quality for speeds lower than 1/2000 second.

....or you can set automatic mixed options:
MS+ES : automatically uses MS up to1/8000 and ES from 1/8000 to 1/32000.
EF+MS: automatically uses EF up to 1/2000 and MS from 1/2000 to 1/8000.
EF+MS+ES: automatically uses EF up to 1/2000, MS from 1/2000 to 1/8000, and ES from 1/8000 to 1/32000.

Neither the Electronic , nor Electronic Front Curtain shutters permit flash, or speed light synchronization. That can only be done with the mechanical shutter.

One should also be careful when using the Electronic shutter as it can be sensitive to the “Rolling shutter� effect.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_shutter

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Regards,
Savageduck

On Jan 18, 2021 at 1:31:19 PM PST, "Savageduck"
wrote:

On Jan 18, 2021, geoff wrote
(in ):

I just saw somebody advertising a Nikon Z6 with a quoted shutter-count.

'Scuse my ignorance (I still prefer the idea of seeing the actual
subject rather than a screen image), but do mirrorless 'SLRs' (equiv)
still have mechanical shutters, or is the shutter simply an electronic
grab of a sensor frame scan ?

If the latter surely a shutter-count would irrelevant.

geoff

It can depend on the individual MILC - “Mirrorless Interchangeable-lens
Camera� and the features it/they offer.
For example many MILCs provide the option for selection of a mechanical, or
an electronic shutter to be selected. In my case I use a Fujifilm X-T3, and
an X-E3. Both of those offer options of electronic, mechanical, & electronic
front curtain shutter.

Each shutter type has its advantages, disadvantages, specific uses, and
optimal use situation.

For the X-T3 the shutter option can be set as below:
Mechanical Shutter (MS) SS up to 1/8000 second.

Electronic Shutter (ES) SS up to 1/32000 second. Good for high shutter speed,
and silent shooting.

Electronic Front Curtain (EF) This delivers the shortest blackout time, and
the best image quality for speeds lower than 1/2000 second.

...or you can set automatic mixed options:
MS+ES : automatically uses MS up to1/8000 and ES from 1/8000 to 1/32000.
EF+MS: automatically uses EF up to 1/2000 and MS from 1/2000 to 1/8000.
EF+MS+ES: automatically uses EF up to 1/2000, MS from 1/2000 to 1/8000, and
ES from 1/8000 to 1/32000.

Neither the Electronic , nor Electronic Front Curtain shutters permit flash,
or speed light synchronization. That can only be done with the mechanical
shutter.

One should also be careful when using the Electronic shutter as it can be
sensitive to the “Rolling shutter�
effect.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_shutter

To answer your original question, I suspect that the Nikon Z6 has similar
options, and only the use of the mechanical shutter would be counted and
relevant.

As far as electronic viewfinders (EVF) vs optical viewfinders the EVFs have
come a longways and can offer some distinct advantages. Also they no longer
have the latency issues they once had.

....and there is the Fuji X-Pro3 which has a hybrid optical/electronic
viewfinder.
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Regards,
Savageduck

On 19/01/2021 10:31 am, Savageduck wrote:
On Jan 18, 2021, geoff wrote
(in ):

I just saw somebody advertising a Nikon Z6 with a quoted shutter-count.

'Scuse my ignorance (I still prefer the idea of seeing the actual
subject rather than a screen image), but do mirrorless 'SLRs' (equiv)
still have mechanical shutters, or is the shutter simply an electronic
grab of a sensor frame scan ?

If the latter surely a shutter-count would irrelevant.

geoff

It can depend on the individual MILC - “Mirrorless Interchangeable-lens Camera� and the features it/they offer.
For example many MILCs provide the option for selection of a mechanical, or an electronic shutter to be selected. In my case I use a Fujifilm X-T3, and an X-E3. Both of those offer options of electronic, mechanical, & electronic front curtain shutter.

Each shutter type has its advantages, disadvantages, specific uses, and optimal use situation.

For the X-T3 the shutter option can be set as below:
Mechanical Shutter (MS) SS up to 1/8000 second.

Electronic Shutter (ES) SS up to 1/32000 second. Good for high shutter speed, and silent shooting.

Electronic Front Curtain (EF) This delivers the shortest blackout time, and the best image quality for speeds lower than 1/2000 second.

...or you can set automatic mixed options:
MS+ES : automatically uses MS up to1/8000 and ES from 1/8000 to 1/32000.
EF+MS: automatically uses EF up to 1/2000 and MS from 1/2000 to 1/8000.
EF+MS+ES: automatically uses EF up to 1/2000, MS from 1/2000 to 1/8000, and ES from 1/8000 to 1/32000.

Neither the Electronic , nor Electronic Front Curtain shutters permit flash, or speed light synchronization. That can only be done with the mechanical shutter.

One should also be careful when using the Electronic shutter as it can be sensitive to the “Rolling shutter� effect.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_shutter


And there was me thinking the answer would be straight-forward !

geoff

On Jan 18, 2021, geoff wrote
(in ):

On 19/01/2021 10:31 am, Savageduck wrote:
On Jan 18, 2021, geoff wrote
(in ):

I just saw somebody advertising a Nikon Z6 with a quoted shutter-count.

'Scuse my ignorance (I still prefer the idea of seeing the actual
subject rather than a screen image), but do mirrorless 'SLRs' (equiv)
still have mechanical shutters, or is the shutter simply an electronic
grab of a sensor frame scan ?

If the latter surely a shutter-count would irrelevant.

geoff

It can depend on the individual MILC - “Mirrorless Interchangeable-lens Camera� and the features it/they offer.
For example many MILCs provide the option for selection of a mechanical, or an electronic shutter to be selected. In my case I use a Fujifilm X-T3, and an X-E3. Both of those offer options of electronic, mechanical, & electronic front curtain shutter.

Each shutter type has its advantages, disadvantages, specific uses, and optimal use situation.

For the X-T3 the shutter option can be set as below:
Mechanical Shutter (MS) SS up to 1/8000 second.

Electronic Shutter (ES) SS up to 1/32000 second. Good for high shutter speed, and silent shooting.

Electronic Front Curtain (EF) This delivers the shortest blackout time, and the best image quality for speeds lower than 1/2000 second.

...or you can set automatic mixed options:
MS+ES : automatically uses MS up to1/8000 and ES from 1/8000 to 1/32000.
EF+MS: automatically uses EF up to 1/2000 and MS from 1/2000 to 1/8000.
EF+MS+ES: automatically uses EF up to 1/2000, MS from 1/2000 to 1/8000, and ES from 1/8000 to 1/32000.

Neither the Electronic , nor Electronic Front Curtain shutters permit flash, or speed light synchronization. That can only be done with the mechanical shutter.

One should also be careful when using the Electronic shutter as it can be sensitive to the “Rolling shutter� effect.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_shutter

And there was me thinking the answer would be straight-forward !

geoff

Well, you could just shoot everything in auto. ;-)

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Regards,
Savageduck

On 18/01/2021 2:41 pm, geoff wrote:
I just saw somebody advertising a Nikon Z6 with a quoted shutter-count.

'Scuse my ignorance (I still prefer the idea of seeing the actual subject rather
than a screen image), but do mirrorless 'SLRs' (equiv) still have mechanical
shutters, or is the shutter simply an electronic grab of a sensor frame scan ?

If the latter surely a shutter-count would irrelevant.

geoff

I wonder if the mirrorless image looks better than the 'Live' view on my D3400

In article , gray_wolf
wrote:


I wonder if the mirrorless image looks better than the 'Live' view on my D3400

that depends on the mirrorless camera and the lenses.

On Jan 18, 2021, gray_wolf wrote
(in article ):

On 18/01/2021 2:41 pm, geoff wrote:
I just saw somebody advertising a Nikon Z6 with a quoted shutter-count.

'Scuse my ignorance (I still prefer the idea of seeing the actual subject rather
than a screen image), but do mirrorless 'SLRs' (equiv) still have mechanical
shutters, or is the shutter simply an electronic grab of a sensor frame scan ?

If the latter surely a shutter-count would irrelevant.

geoff

I wonder if the mirrorless image looks better than the 'Live' view on my D3400

Some EVFs are very good with little latency, and in some cases are better than an OVF.
Liveview on most DSLRs leaves a lot to be desired when compared with some of the better MILC EVFs.

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Regards,
Savageduck

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says...
Electronic Shutter (ES) SS up to 1/32000 second. Good for high shutter speed, and silent shooting.

And I hear that the electronic shutter (unless it's a global
one) can't be used with very fast moving objects.
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